Deuteronomy, chapter 18, verse 18.. To whom does this prophecy refer?"

Deuteronomy, chapter 18, verse 18, the English translation reads as follows:-

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." (Deuteronomy 18:18.)

To whom this prophecy refer?

Originally posted by Terong Pipit at 26-8-2003 09:04 AM:
Deuteronomy, chapter 18, verse 18, the English translation reads as follows:-

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put m ...

Where is Truth.8?

Where is Debmey?

Both claimed that they're had studied the BIBLE untul their eyes going to 'pop-out'!!.. BUT why the experts i.e. Truth.8 and Debmey are MUTED??

Have they lost their 'self-proclaimed' knowledge about BIBLE?

Just to remind you:
In Deuteronomy 18, Moses stated that God told him: 揑 will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account.

Truth.8

Originally posted by Mat Kampong at 28-8-2003 10:38 AM:
Where is Truth.8?

Where is Debmey?

Both claimed that they're had studied the BIBLE untul their eyes  ...

this dut18:18 has been answer longggggggn time ago...are u sleeping like sleeping beauty?

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 28-808-2003 13:21:

this dut18:18 has been answer longggggggn time ago...are u sleeping like sleeping beauty?

Show me ler.....

Debmey

answering-islam.org/BibleCom/deut18-18.html

sonny~~

twit twinity TRUTH the 8 i am n trinity bro deb bullshit sfe

who u think is the prophet?
jesus or moses?
be brave n respond intelligently  :bg:

peace

Truth.8

Originally posted by sonny~~ at 28-8-2003 04:38 PM:
twit twinity TRUTH the 8 i am n trinity bro deb bullshit sfe

who u think is the prophet?
jesus or moses?
be brave n respond intelligently  :bg:

peace

I guess have to repeat to bunch of nuts who has been here for sometimes but asking same old stories. Is ok with me because this people are lost soul.

Here it is:


In the Old Testament: " The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken. I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." (Deuteronomy 18:15 & 18)

This can't possibly refer to Mohammed. Mohammed is the descendant of Ishmael, and the Jews never looked at the descendants of Ishmael as "brothers." On the other hand Jesus fits the description "like unto Moses." Jesus was a Hebrew, as was Moses, while Mohamed was not. Jesus performed signs and wonders, as did Moses, and Mohamed did not. Peter, in the New Testament, left no doubt about the fact that this prophecy applies to Jesus. (See Acts 3:20-26)
  
In the New Testament: " But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me. "(John 16:26).

Muslims say that the Greek word which was translated "the comforter", actually means " the praised one" or "Mahmoud" in Arabic, in reference to Mohammed. It is true that there is a word, similar in pronunciation, which means "the praised one," however the word used in the Gospels is different and is accurately translated to "the Comforter." This, no doubt, refers to the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is a spirit, while Mohammed was flesh. The Holy Spirit was sent to the disciples, but Mohammed came in 6 centuries after the death of the disciples. The Holy Spirit was said that he would "dwell" with the disciples (John14: 17). On the other hand Mohammed never saw the disciples. It was said that the world would "not see" the Holy Spirit, but people saw Mohammed.


Thats comes to conclusion that Muhammad is not last prophet but false one.

[ Last edited by Truth.8 on 28-8-2003 at 04:48 PM ]

sonny~~

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 2003-8-28 04:45 PM:
I guess have to repeat to bunch of nuts who has been here for sometimes but asking same old stories. Is ok with me because this people are lost soul.

Here it is:


In the Old Testament: " ...

the question is is the prophet moses or jesus?  thats all me askin.  intelligent response plz  :bg:

peace

Truth.8

Originally posted by sonny~~ at 28-8-2003 04:52 PM:
the question is is the prophet moses or jesus?  thats all me askin.  intelligent response plz  :bg:

peace

and what do u think? Moses or Jesus???? dont run run ok

sonny~~

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 2003-8-28 04:55 PM:
and what do u think? Moses or Jesus???? dont run run ok

its moses n never jesus.  ur turn now to respond bravely n intelligently  :bg:

peace

Truth.8

Originally posted by sonny~~ at 28-8-2003 05:31 PM:
its moses n never jesus.  ur turn now to respond bravely n intelligently  :bg:

peace

if u read my topic the answer is stated. that show your brain is damaged and need  repair.

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 28-8-2003 04:45 PM:
I guess have to repeat to bunch of nuts who has been here for sometimes but asking same old stories. Is ok with me because this people are lost soul.

Here it is: In the Old Testament: " ...

The following are also Texts from the Old Testament:   

1 - The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers. You must listen to him. (Deuteronomy 5:15)

2 - I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brethren; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. (Deuteronomy 5:17)

3 - Give the people these orders: 'You are about to pass through the territory of your brothers the descendants of Esau, who live in Seir. They will be afraid of you, but be very careful. Do not provoke them to war, for I will not give you any of their land, not even enough to put your foot on.' I have given Esau the hill country of Seir as his own. (Deuteronomy 2:4-5)

4 - This is the blessing that Moses the man of God pronounced on the Israelites before his death He said: "The Lord came from Sinai  and dawned over them Seir; he shone forth from Mount Paran." (Deuteronomy 33:1-2)

5 - Or if you give the scroll to someone who cannot read, and say, "Read this, please," he will answer. "I don抰 know how to read." (Isaiah 29:12)

6 - An oracle concerning Arabia: You caravans of Dedanites, who camp in the  thickets of Arabia, bring water for the thirsty; you who live in Tema, bring food for the fugitives They flee from the sword, from the drawn sword, from the bent bow  and from the heat  of battle. (Isaiah 21:13-15)

7 - Sing to the Lord a new song, his praise from the ends of the earth, you who go down to the sea, and all that is in it, you islands, and all who live in them. Let the desert and its towns raise their voices; let the settlements where Kedar lives rejoice. let the people of Sela sing for joy; let them shout from the mountaintops. Let them give glory to the Lord and proclaim his praise in the islands. (Isaiah 42:10-12)

8 - Arise, shine, for your light has come, and the glory of the Lord rises upon you. See, darkness covers the earth and thick darkness is over the peoples, but the Lord rises upon you. Nations will come to your light, and kings to the brightness of your dawn. Lift up your eyes and look about you: All assemble and come to you; your sons come from afar, and your daughters are carried on the arm. Then you will look and be radiant, your heart will throb and swell with joy; the wealth on the seas will be brought to you, to you the riches of the nations will come. Herds of camels will cover your land, young camels of Midian and Ephah. And all from Sheba will come, bearing gold and incense and proclaiming the praise of the Lord. All Kedar抯 flocks will be gathered to you, the rams of Nebaioth will serve you; (Isaiah 60:1-7)



Commentary Analysis:

All these corroborated Biblical prophecies affirm the prophethood of Muhammad (peace by upon him). The description of the promised prophet mentioned here apply only for him because:

1 - A prophet like Moses

The first and second Biblical prophecies talk about a prophet like Moses. This likeness is fit for Muhammad, not Jesus:
  
Moses and Muhammad were born in the normal, natural course, i.e. the physical association of man and woman, but Jesus was created by a special miracle.

Moses and Muhammad married and begot children, but Jesus remained a bachelor all his life.

Moses and Muhammad brought new laws and new regulations for their people, but Jesus came only to fulfill the old law of Moses.
  
Both Moses and Muhammad died natural deaths and were buried, but Jesus was raised to heaven.

Unlike Moses and Muhammad, who were accepted as prophets by their people in their very lifetime, Jesus was deserted even by his closest disciples.

Both Moses and Muhammad ruled and legislated besides their being prophets. This was not the case with Jesus.

The only likeness between Moses and Jesus was that both belonged to the Children of Israel, like all other Israelite prophets such as David, Solomon, Aaron, Isaiah, Daniel, Joshua, Zechariah, John, and many others.

2 - A prophet from among their brothers

If Ishmael and Isaac are the sons of the same father Abraham, then they are brothers. So the children of the one are the brothers of the children of the other. The children of Isaac are the Jews and the Children of Ishmael are the Arabs, so they are brothers to one another. Thus the phrase "from among their brothers" refers to Prophet Muhammad.

If the reference here were to a prophet from among the Jews, the phrase would go like this: "from among them" or "from among you". This is further substantiated by the third prophecy "your brothers the descendants of Esau" and the word "Kedar" in the seventh and eighth prophecies. Both Esau and Kedar descended from Ishmael, the forefather of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).
  

3 - A prophet from among the Arabs
  
The "Mount Paran" referred to in the fourth prophecy is located in the area between the mounts of Abu Qubais, Qi'an and Hira' in Mecca. This is corroborated by what is stated in Genesis regarding the coming of Abraham and his son Ishmael to Paran:

"And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread and a bottle of water, and gave it unto Hagar, putting it on her shoulder

Originally posted by Mat Kampong at 29-808-2003 00:42:
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4 - His universal message

The two prophecies of Isaiah (7,8) stress the universality of the message with which the promised prophet is sent. This again is a description which applies only to the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). The prophet Moses was sent exclusively to the Jews, a fact that still survives until today.  The prophet Jesus also was sent to the Jews to reform the distortions that they introduced to their legislation, a fact that he himself confessed:

He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel." (Matthew 15:24)

These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel." (Matthew 10:5-6)

Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. (Matthew 5:17)

I am not sent but unto the people of Israel (Barnabas 21)
  
Qur'an similarly mentions that Jesus was sent to the Children of Israel only, in about these words (English meaning):

And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel, and (appoint him) a Messenger to the Children of Israel,

Debmey

Looks like Mat Kampong did not read the webpage I have pointed him to.

Commentary Analysis:

All these corroborated Biblical prophecies affirm the prophethood of Muhammad (peace by upon him). The description of the promised prophet mentioned here apply only for him because:

It could not have been Mo and I will show you.

1 - A prophet like Moses

The first and second Biblical prophecies talk about a prophet like Moses. This likeness is fit for Muhammad, not Jesus:
  
Moses and Muhammad were born in the normal, natural course, i.e. the physical association of man and woman, but Jesus was created by a special miracle.

All humans except Adam and Jesus are born like you and me, so how can it be pointing to Mo?

Moses and Muhammad married and begot children, but Jesus remained a bachelor all his life.

So did your father. Does that means your father is a prophet?

Moses and Muhammad brought new laws and new regulations for their people, but Jesus came only to fulfill the old law of Moses.

If that is the case, then Mo has clearly contradicted Moses.

  

Both Moses and Muhammad died natural deaths and were buried, but Jesus was raised to heaven.

Mo did not die a natural death, he was poisoned.

Unlike Moses and Muhammad, who were accepted as prophets by their people in their very lifetime, Jesus was deserted even by his closest disciples.

Mo was rejected by both Jews and Christians. Jesus was not rejected by his disciples, he had thousands of them.

Both Moses and Muhammad ruled and legislated besides their being prophets. This was not the case with Jesus.

So did a lot of other leaders.

The only likeness between Moses and Jesus was that both belonged to the Children of Israel, like all other Israelite prophets such as David, Solomon, Aaron, Isaiah, Daniel, Joshua, Zechariah, John, and many others.

Thats right, Mo was not a Hebrew and is automaitically disqualified from being the prophet described in Deu 18 as we will see.


2 - A prophet from among their brothers

If Ishmael and Isaac are the sons of the same father Abraham, then they are brothers. So the children of the one are the brothers of the children of the other. The children of Isaac are the Jews and the Children of Ishmael are the Arabs, so they are brothers to one another. Thus the phrase "from among their brothers" refers to Prophet Muhammad.

If indeed if Arabs were descendents of Ishmael, that would have made them cousins and not brethrens of Hebrews. God specifically told Moses that teh prophet will be a brethren among the Hebrews in a generation far from Isaac and Ishmael. It would therefore not be applied to Arabs.

If the reference here were to a prophet from among the Jews, the phrase would go like this: "from among them" or "from among you". This is further substantiated by the third prophecy "your brothers the descendants of Esau" and the word "Kedar" in the seventh and eighth prophecies. Both Esau and Kedar descended from Ishmael, the forefather of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).

Again it says brethren and not cousins. Arabs were also not among the Hebrews like Jesus was with the Hebrews.
  

3 - A prophet from among the Arabs
  

The "Mount Paran" referred to in the fourth prophecy is located in the area between the mounts of Abu Qubais, Qi'an and Hira' in Mecca. This is corroborated by what is stated in Genesis regarding the coming of Abraham and his son Ishmael to Paran:

If you study the Bible carefully, you will realise that Mount Paran is not near Mecca but near the Negev desert.  


[quote]"And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread and a bottle of water, and gave it unto Hagar, putting it on her shoulder

Truth.8

Moses and Jesus kept the Holy Sabbath the Ten Commandment BUT Muhammad broke that Holy Sabbath and replaced with Friday prayer.

So, how could it be Muhammad when he corrupt that Holy Sabbath? The Bible again and again mentioned that false prophet .....that apply to Muhammad.

and.........Moses and Jesus observed and practise unclean meat such shrimp, hare, camel and etc BUT Muhammad says it is ok to eat camel, shrimp, hare..... Further he says to drink camel urine.

[ Last edited by Truth.8 on 29-8-2003 at 12:43 AM ]

Debmey

Modid not fulfill the law, Mo broke almost all the ten commandments save for the one abt honouring parents because he was an orphan.

sonny~~

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 2003-8-28 07:25 PM:

if u read my topic the answer is stated. that show your brain is damaged and need  repair.

so wots ur brave intelligent response?  moses or jesus?  me waitin

meanwhile bro deb bullshit sfe gonna stay mute as a pious donkey  :bg:

peace

Debmey

both are prophets. don't you know? Hahahahahahahaha................

sonny~~

Originally posted by Debmey at 2003-8-29 12:02 PM:
both are prophets. don't you know? Hahahahahahahaha................

so u believe jesus a prophet right?
thats wot the muslims believe in right?
but unitarian christians dont believe jesus a prophet but a very holy man
n the jews believe jesus a strange jewish rabbi who must be murdered
but thats beside the point

me question is whos this prophet?  jesus or moses?  brave intelligent respond plz from u n TRUTH the 8 i am  :bg:

peace

Originally posted by Debmey at 2003-8-28 03:43 PM:
answering-islam.org/BibleCom/deut18-18.html

Debmey

but unitarian christians dont believe jesus a prophet but a very holy man
n the jews believe jesus a strange jewish rabbi who must be murdered
but thats beside the point

And all three don't believe that Mo is a prophet. Hahahahahahaha...........


cheers