Why Muhammad uncle Abu Talib never convert to Islam?

Truth.8

It is very interesting to know why his uncle remained as pagan. Take for example; our parents know what kind behavior we are. Like Abu talib , he surly know that  Muhammad never be a prophet or his uncle believe this guy is making up story. If Muhammad indeed a prophet and brought true religion, surly Abu talib would convert to islam yet he did not.

  
After Aminah's death when he was six, he was taken care of by his grandfather, `Abdul Muttalib. After `Abdul Muttalib's death when Muhammad was eight years old, his uncle, Abu Talib, became his guardian. Abu Talib used to take Muhammad on his mercantile trips to as far as Syria. At the deathbed of Abu Talib, Muhammad urged his uncle to confessed Allah, even though deathbed confession is not acceptable in Islam. Abu Talib died a pagan. See Abu Talib for more details.

Besides Abu Talib, the Jews  chosen by God also rejected Muhammad teachings.

There is one possibility here; the whole teachings of muhammad cannot be authenticated from true God. Why I says this because Islam still have pagan ritual and practiced. Example:

1) Fridays worshipped. Hindus kept Friday worshipped

2 Bowing direct/indirectly to an object 5x. the pagan does this all the time

3)  Shaving hair while performing pilgrimage   .  All pagan religion shave hair while performing their pilgrimage. one example during thaipusam, in river of ganges , india, hindus performs pilgrimage by shaving hair and etc.

4)  circling around infront of object. hindus does that by circling their house of god.

5)  touching and kissing black stone. hindus believed black stone is represent of siva

6) throwing stone . never the Bible record such teachings

and list goes on.

From above I can conclude that Islam not a true calling from God of Abraham . Its a man made religion blend with pagan ritual and breaking God important hand written Sabbath.

Another interesting story, why Malays like to be Arab wannbe because all arab name like abu talib, hassan and few others not islamic name but can be pagan name?  for example abu talib, he was a pagan...surly his name got some  pagan meaning. just like malay used to hve name like melur, mawar, tanjung and etc. so, why  bothered to have arab name or just to be arab wannabe?

so, i ask muslims....why must i renounce back to islam?




[ Last edited by  Truth.8 at 20-2-2007 04:13 PM ]

Png_Prince

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 20-2-2007 01:08 PM
It is very interesting to know why his uncle remained as pagan. Take for example; our parents know what kind behavior we are. Like Abu talib , he surly know that  Muhammad never be a prophet or h ...

Let me ask u a question.. In ur previous threads u state that u converted from Islam.. Then how abt ur parents ? Why they didnt convert to ur new religion ? Your parents know what kind of behaviour you are is it ? Mind answer me coz its very much relevant to ur question here !!

Truth.8

Originally posted by Png_Prince at 20-2-2007 01:20 PM


Let me ask u a question.. In ur previous threads u state that u converted from Islam.. Then how abt ur parents ? Why they didnt convert to ur new religion ? Your parents know what kind of be ...

i am not going elobrate anything abt my family, because it is personal matter. i know them well and i know what faith they are keeping now, so dont bring my family into this.

Png_Prince

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 20-2-2007 01:29 PM


i am not going elobrate anything abt my family, because it is personal matter. i know them well and i know what faith they are keeping now, so dont bring my family into this.

Coz u r a LIAR.. Thats why u r afraid to reveal the truth.. Im sure they are still Muslims not like you..

Truth.8

Originally posted by Png_Prince at 20-2-2007 01:35 PM


Coz u r a LIAR.. Thats why u r afraid to reveal the truth.. Im sure they are still Muslims not like you..

accusation like that will only going create sin because u never know me nor my family

Png_Prince

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 20-2-2007 01:37 PM


accusation like that will only going create sin because u never know me nor my family

You have already created a sin by saying something which you dont know abt Prophet Muhammad's family.. You just made some baseless assumption.. How about that ? Is that ok for you ? Do you know Prophet Muhammad's family personally ?

Truth.8

Originally posted by Png_Prince at 20-2-2007 01:40 PM


You have already created a sin by saying something which you dont know abt Prophet Muhammad's family.. You just made some baseless assumption.. How about that ? Is that ok for you ? Do you kn ...

how can i be sin when i am telling the truth? did not his uncle remaind pagan? did not God chosen peoples rejected muhammad and his teachings? did not muhammad break God hand written Sabbath? so, am i wrong or sin to says muhammad is not a prohet?

Png_Prince

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 20-2-2007 01:44 PM


how can i be sin when i am telling the truth? did not his uncle remaind pagan? did not God chosen peoples rejected muhammad and his teachings? did not muhammad break God hand written Sabbath? ...

Im telling the truth also, how can i be sin ?
Did not ur parents remain Muslims till now ?
Didnt they pray 5x a day ?

Maybe Mo declined to elaborate because he had family problems as well.

Png_Prince

Originally posted by weedkiller at 20-2-2007 01:49 PM
Maybe Mo declined to elaborate because he had family problems as well.

Owh, another assumpition maker...

I'm just suggesting. did i jump into any conclusion? keyword: Maybe

Png_Prince

Originally posted by weedkiller at 20-2-2007 01:52 PM
I'm just suggesting. did i jump into any conclusion? keyword: Maybe

Maybe = Assume ??

where did u learn english from? malay schools?

Maybe is an adverb meaning possibly but not certainly.

assumption on the other hand means a statement that is assumed to be true and from which a conclusion can be drawn.

Png_Prince

Originally posted by weedkiller at 20-2-2007 01:57 PM
where did u learn english from? malay schools?

Maybe is an adverb meaning possibly but not certainly.

assumption on the other hand means a statement that is assumed to be true and from ...

You should ask ur friend T8 which school he is from..
So u say here Maybe means possibly but not certainly rite ?
Then maybe its certainly not possible

maybe a search from the Oxford Student's Dictionary of Current english for KBSM will do you good when it comes to understanding elementary level English.

May-be - adv - possibly

assumption - noun - something regarded as true or likely to happen but not proved.

stop drawing silly conclusion, it only makes you look like a fool. and that's a fact, not assumption unless you want to be cute again.

Png_Prince

Originally posted by weedkiller at 20-2-2007 02:11 PM
maybe a search from the Oxford Student's Dictionary of Current english for KBSM will do you good when it comes to understanding elementary level English.

May-be - adv - possibly

assumpti ...

Well, I dont think i need a teacher here..
Dont act smart here.. U made an assumption which is not proven, mind that..

i'm not acting smart, you just made yourself look stupid that's all. and that's fine by me if you want to continue on being that way.

[ Last edited by  weedkiller at 20-2-2007 03:11 PM ]

Png_Prince

Originally posted by weedkiller at 20-2-2007 03:06 PM
i'm not acting smart, you just made yourself look stupid that's all. and that's fine by me if you want to continue on being that way.

Take a mirror and have a look on yourself b4 pointing the finger at me..
You are indeed acting smart

if i were to act smart it will certainly made you look even stupider than you currently are.

Png_Prince

Originally posted by weedkiller at 20-2-2007 03:21 PM
if i were to act smart it will certainly made you look even stupider than you currently are.

You have already made yourself look stupid here while trying to act smart