Science Perspective: Human Creation according to Bible

greekgod

Hi,

Today I will examine Human creation according to Bible,
contradictions of its own.

In Genesis, god told us that he created world (dont misunderstood this as universe).

God had created human in pair (in god's own's image), as described in the following verses.

1: 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

1: 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

It is supported in:

Mark 10: 6
But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.



But analysing these facts from The Book of Jasher, Chapter one:

1 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness, and God created man in his own image.

2 And God formed man from the ground, and he blew into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul endowed with speech.

3 And the Lord said, It is not good for man to be alone; I will make unto him a helpmeet.

4 And the Lord caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept, and he took away one of his ribs, and he built flesh upon it, and formed it and brought it to Adam, and Adam awoke from his sleep, and behold a woman was standing before him.

5 And he said, This is a bone of my bones and it shall be called woman, for this has been taken from man; and Adam called her name Eve, for she was the mother of all living.


This two information clearly are contradicting each other.

So, now, I would like to give another burden to debmey, to prove which verses is correct.

I know, he is probably busy (or making himself busy to find excuses) to answer my question about the World's Creation according to Bible, but, I think, it wont be such a hard burden to prove just a little more.

And one interesting fact is, I got this from books which christian read (i donno la if you read your bible everyday...)

Should you dont have The Book of Jasher.. Just go to the nearest bookshop to find one.

Sorry.. I have no interest anymore to write things in article's order (perfect and good to read), besides what worth it right?

[ Last edited by greekgod on 28-1-2005 at 04:26 PM ]

Debmey

very easy. God made Adam and Eve. The Bible in Genesis 1:27 never said they were made at the same time. So where is the contradiction?

Its just like when somebody says that your friend gave birth to two brothers, Ali and Ahmad. Does that mean they have to be born together?

Now, r u ready to take a quran contradiction from me?

[ Last edited by Debmey on 29-1-2005 at 12:49 AM ]

greekgod

read again debmey your bible?

how can your god rest before he finally created human (male and female) on the seventh day?

Debmey

Its simple. Genesis 1 is the summary of creation while Genesis 2 is the expanded details. This is known to people who read the Bible. You mean you didn't know?

Now, r u ready to take a quran contradiction from me? Running away?

greekgod

hems...

please define the term seven day to me..

love to hear about it...

im not going anywhere...
love to read something from you..

but, as you always asked people, not to stray away from the topic, i think the subject will be irrelevant.

new thread, probably will look better.

besides, i still need more spaces here to post regarding this information.

Debmey

Aha! I see yu have dropped the question abt creation of man and woman.
I also see you are running away from the one for one challenge. Thats not fair.

So are yu ready to handle quran contradictions from me? You are not afraid to defend the Quran are you?  

Want to know what the meaning of 'day' is in Genesis? I already have the answer. But you gotta earn it my muslim fren. Answer one Quran contradiction from me first.

peace

greekgod

do i dropped it?
really how?

i asked that,because the day is very relevant to the topic, since we are discussing and talking about DAY of creation!

define it in full term

Debmey

So are you ready for the quran challenge? Are really so you afraid?

greekgod

come-on debmey....
dont be such a boasted guy...

i said, post it in another forum..

since i myself will post consecutive bible contradiction for you to read...

in a new thread, give it proper subject, then many other will know, what we be discussing about.

as you always said to other: dont stray away from this subject now!

You have to give me definition of day as told in Genesis.

Or let me show once again:

Day 1: Sky, Earth, light
Day 2: Water, both in ocean basins and above the sky(!)
Day 3: Plants
Day 4: Sun, Moon, stars (as calendrical and navigational aids)
Day 5: Sea monsters (whales), fish, birds, land animals, creepy-crawlies (reptiles, insects, etc.)
Day 6: Humans (apparently both sexes at the same time)
Day 7: Nothing (the Gods took the first day off anyone ever did)


See, in day 6, god created human - both male and female

But in Jasher, it is not very clear, and ambiguity information were thrown in.

You have to accept this!

You have to tell, which verses is true, and if both true, what is your argument. Dont just hinder yourself to answer this topic, why wanting to discuss another subject which is irrelevant!

KaiserPheonix

Both of you two... Relax! I though this is an educative ground for reasoning and discussion?

Debmey

We see that GG wanst to throw cut and paste attacks on the Bible but refuse to take questions on the Quran in return. I know he has no confidence  the quran at all.

cheers

greekgod

REALLY cut and paste?

takkanlah you expect i read the bible, and come out with my own word.
i kenalah amik yg betul... nnt you cakap,i buat kitab bible baru lak... hilang authenticity....

haprak!

didnt you do the same?

dont be hypocrite dear....

you are barking to a wrong tree....

[ Last edited by greekgod on 29-1-2005 at 04:05 PM ]

Debmey

Confidence in teh Bible but no confidence in the Quran? Ahahahahahaha.............

Scared say scarec lah, talk so much for what?

Originally posted by greekgod at 28-1-2005 09:03 PM:
Hi,

Today I will examine Human creation according to Bible,
contradictions of its own.

In Genesis, god told us that he created world (dont misunderstood this as universe).

God had created ...

does science believe in creation?

Debmey

I think muslims restrict their allah to science because they are so desperate to gain credibility from men.

greekgod

debmey is no chemistrist, therefore he could not answer this.
debmey is no astronomer, therefore he could neither answer any of these questions.. even they question, he ventured to ask.

if somebody who used to learn chemistry, he/she will notice about the isotops of hidrogen... written as H(superscript +ve, 2 or even 3).

but, i will make no sense to explain this to someone who does not even the basic foundation of chemistry.. im strong enough to explain.

but, by learning the atom collision as we have studied how the atomic bomb was made showed that atom will increase/decrease it mass, and it happened randomly.


kaiserphoenix, will you explain about the atomic bomb physic?  it is about Pelakuran. Im not strong in that subject.

this will easily show to debmey, about things that he asked. (if and only if, he learn physic and chemistry before)

KaiserPheonix

Actually, this topic shouldn't be a debate!

Both of the Holy Scriptures stated that human was created from soil (mud, ground, dirt).

Period.

greekgod

yes it is..

but we are debating..

either god created male and famale on the same time, or as Jasher said, male first, and female later...

KaiserPheonix

Hmmm... "Pelakuran"... Later perhaps... It's a long topic...

Debmey

Originally posted by angel55 at 2005-1-30 12:07 PM:



So wuts this?

"Can yu explain how did small atoms like hydrogen form into bigger atoms as alledged by the BBT?"

Sounds like  you restricted ur mind to science also.

Thats right brother. The BBT is unscientific, thats why its impossible to explain how hydrogen can form into bigger atoms as proposed by the BBT.
By suggesting that Genesis contradicts the BBT and is therefore unscientific, Muslims committed two very serious errors. First of all, they held on to a false assumption. Secondly, they restricted God for the sake of appeasing popular science.