Paul invented his own religion

tommy_mylex

Originally posted by Jonathan at 29-1-2007 01:59 PM


True, Paul never met Jesus in the flesh, but I don't think you can demonstrate the latter claim.  While Paul tells us the Jesus was "born of the flesh," the human Jesus was of littl ...

To accomplish his purpose, he used every artifice of diplomacy, not excluding expediency and duplicity. He told us this about himself in his first Epistle to the Corinthians: Though I am free and belong to no man, I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. To the Jews I become like a few, to win the Jews. To those under the law I become like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. To those not having the law I become like one not having the law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law), so as to win those not having the law. To the weak I become weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all men...(1 Cor. 9:19-22).

Don't you find it interesting that Jesus supposedly told HIS disciples (you know, the ones who LIVED with him, knew him, some were even supposedly related to him) what to preach and how to preach it and to NOT do anything different!  Did Jesus "forget" to tell his disciples that he was changing the message?  Because Paul's message is definitely different than what Jesus supposedly preached.  Paul's lack of usage of Jesus teachings (when there are ample opportunities) is not consistent with someone promoting someone else's message.  Notice how many times Paul refers to "my Gospel" instead of Jesus' gospel!

Debmey

Ourv Muslim frens also did not meet Muhamad in teh flesh. How can we trust that they are passing on the original form of islam?

Fuzzman

Originally posted by Jonathan at 26-1-2007 03:15 PM
Eric, when I became a Christian, I accepted unconditionally that God is perfect and incapable of error. Since the Bible does contain some errors, I knew that God didn't commit them, so how did they get there?

Two revelations that I can think of that might shed some light in the right direction.

Jeremiah 8:8 speaketh: " How do ye say, We [are] wise, and the law of the LORD [is] with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he [it]; the pen of the scribes [is] in vain."
Deuteronomy 31:25-29 speaketh: " And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished, That Moses commanded the Levites(Jews), which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying, Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee. For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck: behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the LORD; and how much more after my death? Gather unto me all the elders of your tribes, and your officers, that I may speak these words in their ears, and call heaven and earth to record against them. For I know that after my death ye will become utterly corrupt, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands."

ARI FUZZMAN

Debmey

Er.. what is your interpretation of those verses?
Please expalin yourself fuzzy.

cheers

Originally posted by tommy_mylex at 29-1-2007 06:39 PM


To accomplish his purpose, he used every artifice of diplomacy, not excluding expediency and duplicity. He told us this about himself in his first Epistle to the Corinthians: Though I am free ...

In these verses, Paul asserts his freedom to do anything in the service of the Lord. His life's goals were to glorify God and bring people to Christ. Therefore, he remained free of any philosophical position or material entanglement that might sidetrack him, while he strictly disciplined himself to carry out his goals. He gives us several important principles for ministry (1) find common ground with those you contact; (2) avoid a know-it-all attitude; (3) make others feel accepted; (4) be sensitive to their needs and concerns; and (5) look for opportunities to tell them about Christ. These principles are just as valid for us today as they were to Paul back then. If you accuse Paul of duplicitous actions, then you are accusing all people who are committed in preaching and teaching the gospel of Jesus Christ of the same. You may think this is a bad thing, but to the glory of Christ it is a most wonderful and blessed thing.

hERICtic_algon

Originally posted by Jonathan at 30-1-2007 01:01 AM


In these verses, Paul asserts his freedom to do anything in the service of the Lord. His life's goals were to glorify God and bring people to Christ. Therefore, he remained free of any philos ...

Paul is Gnostic and everything he states patent Gnosticism. Ask Marcion or the various Gnostic teachers and masters who claimed it was so. Elements of Buddhistic thought are merely the perennial issue of wisdom that runs through many religious philsophies. Buddhism defined it and magnified it. Like most things it has been misconstrued and distorted in the manner humans render all things.

All things progress at light speed towards an absolute state of nonsense (aka. bull#).

Debmey

So was mohamad gnostic? Why don't you say mohamad invented his own religion then?

Gotcha!

hERICtic_algon

Originally posted by Debmey at 30-1-2007 09:42 PM
So was mohamad gnostic? Why don't you say mohamad invented his own religion then?

Gotcha!  

Who care if Mohammed invented his own religion. Talking or writing without any proof consider null.

You choose to answer with counter questions and clarifications not working for me my friend. Such tactics will never annoy me as I am enjoying play the game with you and other Christians who can抰 take the heat from me.

Paul is Gnostic because too many elements of his teachings are Gnostic for it to be merely by chance. Even the gospels have Jesus making Gnostic statements. The Church Fathers were clever enough to murder their opponents but not to eliminate all references to teachings which are anything but Orthodox.

Christians don't really believe the Bible. I doubt there ever was a devout Christian who read the Bible as it is; instead, we find people reading their own ideas into the Bible. For example, reading Jesus Christ into the Jewish scriptures. If Jesus was the fulfillment of the Jewish scripture, then using only Jewish scripture one should be able to reconstruct his life -- something that is simply impossible. Jesus is a square peg in the round hole of Jewish scripture.

Debmey

Who cares? Muslims like you do.
By saying that a religion was invented by man just because it was revelational would also mean your religion was invented by muhamad. Ahahahahahahahaha...............

cheers

hERICtic_algon

You choose to answer with counter questions and clarifications not working for me my friend. Such tactics will never annoy me as I am enjoying play the game with you and other Christians who can抰 take the heat from me.

Debmey

It annoys the hell outta you doesn't it muslim boy.
You are forced to deny your faith and at the same time have to apply double standards in argument which makes you illogical to say the least.

cheers

hERICtic_algon

Sorry wrong answer please try again !

You choose to answer with counter questions and clarifications not working for me my friend. Such tactics will never annoy me as I am enjoying play the game with you and other Christians who can抰 take the heat from me.

Debmey

I am asking exactly the right questions in exactly the right way. you can't apply one standard to Christianity and not apply the same to your faith can you. surely what you ask Christianity is also good for others asking islam isn't it?

cheers

hERICtic_algon

Originally posted by Debmey at 31-1-2007 01:48 PM
I am asking exactly the right questions in exactly the right way. you can't apply one standard to Christianity and not apply the same to your faith can you. surely what you ask Christianity is al ...

I told you many time I'm not a Muslim. I don't study their book as much as I know the bible so well. You keep on calling me Muslim boy, you think I'm bothered with your calling? Sorry I don't buy your tactic.

If you go to an Ex Christian forum and question them about Islam. Do you think they can answer your question?


You choose to answer with counter questions and clarifications not working for me my friend. Such tactics will never annoy me as I am enjoying play the game with you and other Christians who can抰 take the heat from me.

Debmey

You can hide behind not revealing your faith and attack Christianity at the same time Heretic.
OK, you can to be a no muslim, then what is your faith and belief system, we'll take it from there. Is there anything you need to hide?

hERICtic_algon

Originally posted by Debmey at 31-1-2007 02:04 PM
You can hide behind not revealing your faith and attack Christianity at the same time Heretic.
OK, you can to be a no muslim, then what is your faith and belief system, we'll take it from there. ...

Good you now agree to believe me. So please don't hijack or sabotage all the thread form me.
You fond of running away from the question and the topic of the thread.

Debmey

Let us see you stand by your belief first. Maybe I will then beleive you are not a Muslim.

hERICtic_algon

Originally posted by Debmey at 31-1-2007 02:31 PM
Let us see you stand by your belief first. Maybe I will then beleive you are not a Muslim.

Please my friend grow up ! Don't waste your time