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LOL , this is again so poor from you.
The reference of Bukhari 6:61:510 comes from you. Your argument is built around the said hadith.
Now you are questioning your own reference.
This is what we call running around in circles chasing your own backside.
You are so desperate ..... malu ooi ....
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And worse still now he can't differentiate whether i got my references from havardhouse.com or Bukhari.....
Oooi malu who ???
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Edited by sam1528 at 9-4-2015 04:15 PM
LOL , this shows that you could not even understand what you read. If you refer to your reference to the said link (harvardhouse.com), it states as follows :
The 2nd most trusted Hadith is called Sahih Bukhari. In Volume 6, Book 61, Number 510, the story about Muslim soldiers arguing about different versions of the Qur’an reads as follows: [Search on the referenced site to find the number "510" if you want to verify the written literature].
"Hudhaifa was afraid of the different recitations of the Qur'an, so he asked 'Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Qur’an as Jews and the Christians did before."
Ha ha , you don't even know that your argument used the said hadith being the basis for your case.
Now you have been proven wrong , you are looking for an exit path. Typical of you lah ....
Malu oooi ....
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Edited by sam1528 at 10-4-2015 04:15 PM
wkk5159 replied at 10-4-2015 12:19 PM
Malu ooi....malu ooi.......malu ooi.....sam1528  
Muslim like sam1528 besides having poor intelligence, he/she also has very poor ability to analyse and judge.
When she/he asked; "How on earth can you argue that recitation makes the Quran impure? Care to explain. Oops .... no explanation but trying to change topics."
Can you all see the flaw in this statement when compared with my statement; "Hudhaifa was afraid of the different recitations of the Qur'an" ........
Recitation alone has deemed the Quran to be unpure and corrupted let alone different recitations of the Quran !
Different versions of recitations of Quran had caused confusion among early muslim leaders, one of them, Uthman had to burn the rest of the manuscript which based on the recitations he wasn't agreed upon and he simply based his adopted version on Hafsah codex ??? But other muslim leaders wanted to destroy Hafsah codex, there wasn't enough evidence showing that decision taken by Uthman was correct.....
Ha ha .... your attempt to change topics have been noted. You are unable to answer questions with regards to your bible. Now you want to bring up the Quran. No issues but you are so scared to answer any questions. Why is this so?
LOL , you still have not answered to the question :
How on earth can you argue that recitation makes the Quran impure? Care to explain?
Pssst .... if you don't know , different recitation is what we call Qiraat. What is it , one might ask? The answer is provided by Dr Adrian Brockett (York , St John University)
Brockett used the word transmission rather than text for these two modes of recitations. Some highlights from the article are reproduced below.
Brockett states:
In cases where there are no variations within each transmission itself, certain differences between the two transmissions, at least in the copies consulted, occur consistently throughout. None of them has any effect in the meaning.[23]
The author demarcates the transmissions of Hafs and Warsh into differences of vocal form and the differences of graphic form. According Brockett:
Such a division is clearly made from a written standpoint, and on its own is unbalanced. It would be a mistake to infer from it, for instance, that because "hamza" was at first mostly outside the graphic form, it was therefore at first also outside oral form. The division is therefore mainly just for ease of classification and reference.[24]
Regarding the graphic form of this transmission, he further states:
On the graphic side, the correspondences between the two transmissions are overwhelmingly more numerous than differences, often even with oddities like ayna ma and aynama being consistently preserved in both transmissions, and la'nat allahi spelt both with ta tawila and ta marbuta in the same places in both transmissions as well, not one of the graphic differences caused the Muslims any doubts about the faultlessly faithful transmission of the Qur'an.[25]
[24] & [25] :Adrian Brockett, "The Value of Hafs And Warsh Transmissions For The TextualHistory Of The Qur'an" in Andrew Rippin's(Ed.), Approaches of The Historyof Interpretation of The Qur'an, 1988, ClarendonPress, Oxford, p. 33.
Ha ha , this is such a simple issue but until now you cannot even explain what makes the Quran impure with the different Qiraats?
All you have are just speculative issues of why this and that not knowing that Uthman(ra) MSS is an exact copy of Suhuf Hafsah which was a documented copy checked personally by Prophet Muhammad(saw).
Can you now produce proof of the so called different versions?
Of course you can't , I have the evidence whereas you have nothing.
The recension of 'Uthman has been handed down to us unaltered. So carefully, indeed, has it been preserved, that there are no variations of importance, - we might almost say no variations at all, - amongst the innumerable copies of the Koran scattered throughout the vast bounds of empire of Islam. Contending and embittered factions, taking their rise in the murder of 'Uthman himself within a quarter of a century from the death of Muhammad have ever since rent the Muslim world. Yet but ONE KORAN has always been current amongst them.... There is probably in the world no other work which has remained twelve centuries with so pure a text.
Who stated the above? The famous Christian missionary from University of Oxford , Sir William Muir in the book The Life Of Mohammad.
LOL , you should keep up with Orientalis scholarship. It has moved on that now these non muslim scholars are in admission that the Quran has never been altered and they recognise the different recitation or Qiraat of the Quran.
Oops don't tell me . To you 'eye-rak' and 'ee-rak' are 2 different countries.
Malu ooi ..... you are behind time .... ha ha
Oh yeah , one more thing. The people at that time knew that the Quran was revealed is more than 1 dialect. Refer to your appealed to reference of Bukhari 6:61:510 , in bit part
....'Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, 'Abdullah bin AzZubair, Said bin Al-As and 'AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. 'Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue.".....
Along comes you who don't know head nor tail and start speculating that the different recitation makes the Quran impure not knowing about the dialects involved.
Such an embarrassment for you .... malu ooi ... LOL
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Edited by ibnur at 17-4-2015 05:23 PM
A : 1 John 5:7 belongs in the King James Bible and was preserved by faithful Christians. But the passage was removed from many Greek manuscripts, .....
Ooooo man..... you just told us your bible is fallible
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just passing thru'...
after so many year... still notice some active member defending the old worn out senseless violent books |
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Nah， it is far better than the different recitations versions of Koran and worse still burnt by Uthman manuscripts he deemed corrupt......
By the way, do you even understand what i've posted ??? Apparently you don't and just like majority of muslims, you only good at quoting a text out of context....
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So, which book you deemed senseless and violent ? Is it Bible or Quran ?
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wkk5159 replied at 20-4-2015 10:47 AM
Nah， it is far better than the different recitations versions of Koran and worse still burnt by Uthman manuscripts he deemed corrupt......
By the way, do you even understand what i've posted ??? Apparently you don't and just like majority of muslims, you only good at quoting a text out of context....
LOL , did you not read the explanation of the so called 'different recitations' or 'Qiraat' by Dr Brockett?
Appears that christians like you ignore scholarship but appeal to people like the uneducated Sam Shamoun and/or Eric Bell.
Hmmm quoting out of context? You mean like joh10:30 to mean Jesus is God whereas the context is one in purpose? Ha ha
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hello wkk
I don't need to debate on your argument. You are only critisizing and condemning quran which is considered as your dislike or worst it is your enemy. And that is what normal person like you should be doing.
But if the enemies start to say something wrong about themselves, it is as good as true.
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Post time 9-4-2015 02:19 PM
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Post time 17-4-2015 05:17 PM
