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Sephiroth posted on 22-11-2013 02:28 PM 
by Truth.8
im not asking you , because me too i dont prefer such marriage....including marriage too old people....
but marriage age varies.......
and when both side agree, its all upto them.....
so, just dont interfere. like you are holier than thou.
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by ussopp
and when both side agree, its all upto them.....
Yakah? Then if someone want to pray to idols, it is up to them also. Why you (Muhammad and Muslims) so busybody? Why trying to hard to implement Syariah and Huduh Laws?
People who makes excuses like this should be living in jungle (or in 14th Century) and not in civilised World like today. Because this kind of excuses is stupid excuses. IF two people agree, anything OK kah? What logic is that?  |
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we are talking about marriage here.....
marriage is about 2 side agreeing.....
and the same to all humand kind, in whatever religion they are...
thats why if a non muslim couple, when they enter islam, they need not to renew their marriage....
marriage is a registration of a relationship.
and a registration need agreement of 2 sides...
that why i brought the point. thats why i brought the logic above. what are you doing trying to relate with other matters,,,,i dont know.....
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Sephiroth posted on 22-11-2013 08:57 AM
"There is no minimal age for marriage. You can have marriage contract even with one-year old girl... ...
By Sephiroth
Problem here is - Once marriage, WHO GOING MONITOR what happening in the bedroom? We know from child abuse cases in Malaysia that an adult CAN AND HAD force themselves onto young girls. And from several cases around the World, sex with underaged girl with assumption of marriage is common in Islam to the point that, it didn't matter at all that an underaged girl can die during such thing (in the West and other civilised World, it is considered murder but not in Islamic countries).
Based on this statement, pls show us the 'contract' you refering to...tq.
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Know the origin first lah...
Pedophile
(Criminalminds)
A Pedophile is a person who fantasizes about or engages in sexual acts with children.
Though the age of consent is different in every state, federal law dictates that 13 is the absolute minimum.
(Wikipedia)
1. As a medical diagnosis, pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in persons 16 years of age or older typically characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest toward prepubescent children (generally age 11 years or younger, though specific diagnostic criteria for the disorder extends the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13). An adolescent who is 16 years of age or older must be at least five years older than the prepubescent child before the attraction can be diagnosed as pedophilia.
2. The term has a range of definitions, as found in psychiatry, psychology, the vernacular, and law enforcement. The International Classification of Diseases (ICD) defines pedophilia as a "disorder of adult personality and behaviour" in which there is a sexual preference for children of prepubertal or early pubertal age. It is termed pedophilic disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), and the manual defines it as a paraphilia in which adults or adolescents 16 years of age or older have intense and recurrent sexual urges towards and fantasies about prepubescent children that they have either acted on or which cause them distress or interpersonal difficulty.
3. In popular usage, the word pedophilia is often used to mean any sexual interest in children or the act of child sexual abuse. For example, The American Heritage Stedman's Medical Dictionary states, " edophilia is the act or fantasy on the part of an adult of engaging in sexual activity with a child or children." This common use sometimes conflates the sexual interest in and sexual contact with pubescent or post-pubescent minors. Researchers recommend that these imprecise uses be avoided because although people who commit child sexual abuse commonly exhibit the disorder, some offenders do not meet the clinical diagnosis standards for pedophilia and these standards pertain to prepubescents.
Etymology
(Criminalminds)
The word comes from the Greek: παιδοφιλία (paidophilia): παῖς (pais), "child" and φιλία (philia), "friendship". Paidophilia was coined by Greek poets either as a substitute for "paiderastia" (pederasty), or vice versa.
The term paedophilia erotica was coined in 1886 by the Viennese psychiatrist Richard von Krafft-Ebing in his writing Psychopathia Sexualis. He listed the following characteristics:
- The sexual interest is toward prepubescent youths only.
- This interest does not extend to the first signs of pubic hair.
- The sexual interest is toward prepubescent youths only and does not include teenagers.
- The sexual interest remains over time.
Adults sexually attracted to prepubescent youths were placed into three categories by Krafft-Ebing:
- pedophile
- surrogate (that is, the prepubescent youths are regarded as a substitute object for a preferred, non-available adult object)
- sadistic
These types have been expanded upon and updated over the years into a variety of typologies.
(Wikipedia)
Pedophilia is used for individuals with a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children aged 13 or younger.
Nepiophilia (Infantophilia) is pedophilia, but is used to refer to a sexual preference for infants and toddlers (ages 0–3 or those under age 5).
Hebephilia is defined as individuals with a primary or exclusive sexual interest in 11-14 year old pubescents.
The DSM-5 does not list hebephilia among the diagnoses; while evidence suggests that hebephilia is separate from pedophilia, the ICD-10 includes hebephilia in its pedophilia definition, covering the physical development overlap between the two philias. In addition to hebephilia, some clinicians have proposed other categories that are somewhat or completely distinguished from pedophilia; these include pedohebephilia (a combination of pedophilia and hebephilia) and ephebophilia (though ephebophilia is not considered pathological).
p/s: Populist is it?
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by Ussopp
marriage is about 2 side agreeing.....
Two sides here is the groom and the bride, NOT the groom and the bride's family members. Are you telling me that a nine years old girl could know and understand about relationship, marriage and commitment? DON'T BULL$HIT me. |
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stupid...bila org mengaitkan agama Islam dgn budaya arab... |
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Simunggu posted on 28-11-2013 02:23 PM
stupid...bila org mengaitkan agama Islam dgn budaya arab...
Oi, kau fikir Islam itu neutral kah? Apa yg kamu buat adalah mengikut cara hidup orang Arab - kerana itulah apa yg Muhammad mengajar kamu. Dalam ertikata lain, orang Arab sudahpun menakluki orang melayu secara minda.
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Simunggu posted on 28-11-2013 02:23 PM
stupid...bila org mengaitkan agama Islam dgn budaya arab... stupid...bila org mengaitkan agama Islam dgn budaya arab...
kenapa masih hendak menafikan???
terang2 kita melihat kamu semua ini arab wannabe
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Truth.8 posted on 28-11-2013 03:44 PM
kenapa masih hendak menafikan???
terang2 kita melihat kamu semua ini arab wannabe
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haha...mengarut sdh kamu...hehehe |
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Critics slam Syariah Court for allowing child marriages
The Malaysian Insider The Malaysian Insider – 23 hours ago
The Syariah Court has come under fire from women's rights groups for allowing an alleged rapist to marry his victim who was only 13 years old when she tied the knot last year.
Women's Aid Organisation (WAO) executive director Ivy Josiah said the court should not have consented to the marriage, explaining that it was not a “young marriage” but a “child marriage”.
"Since the girl was only 12 years old, the court must have given them permission to marry. This decision is unacceptable and wrong," she told The Malaysian Insider yesterday.
Under Syariah law, girls below the age of 16 and boys below 18 must get the consent of the Syariah Court before they can marry.
A local daily today reported that Nor Fazira Saad and her alleged rapist Mohd Fahmi Mohamed Alias were married last year because she had been raped.
Their marriage made the news last year, where Nor Fazira's father Saad Mustafa had insisted that “it was better for them to get married than to do something that is not good”.
The couple, who have since divorced, have been thrust into the spotlight again when allegations of rape resurfaced.
Saad was reported as saying that his daughter had lodged a report in July last year claiming that she was raped by two teenagers and Mohd Fahmi.
However, Mohd Fahmi’s parents apparently begged Saad to withdraw the report, fearing that their son will have to bear a harsh punishment for his actions.
"They pestered me for five nights until I decided to withdraw the report six days later... as a father I understand their concern for their son," Saad was quoted as saying.
The marriage was solemnised after both families obtained permission from the Kulim Syariah Court.
Sisters In Islam, which has been a long-time advocate against child marriages, noted that the law had failed to protect the interest of the child.
"The case highlights a legal loophole in Islamic family law that allows an alleged perpetrator to escape further investigation through marriage... by becoming a husband," said its programme manager, Suri Kempe.
"It is deplorable that marriage is being used by alleged rapists as a way to escape prosecution."
The government, she said, had a responsibility to “act upon its pronouncements” and stop rapists from “manipulating religion and culture”.
"The law should reflect the weight Islam puts on protecting children and simultaneously recognise a child’s right to life, health and education as a basic human right.
"The best interest of the child was clearly not a consideration when the Syariah Court approved this marriage application," she said, adding that Muslim and non-Muslim children should not be treated differently.
Josiah said the Syariah Court should be educated that child marriages were unacceptable and outrageous.
"Even health wise, a 13-year-old's body is not ready for child-bearing and such. She is still a child," she said.
She revealed that in the 30-year history of the WAO, there had been similar cases, where men have deliberately raped women to marry them.
"And when their families find out that their daughter has been tarnished and violated, she is deemed not valuable. That no one else will marry her.
"So they marry her off to the perpetrator.”
WAO and other women's groups, Josiah said, have to educate people that rape is a violation and that the woman is the victim.
"That is why rape survivors feel their life is over and why not many of them report their ordeal to the police. This public perception has to change."
Meanwhile, Suri called on the government to amend the “flawed” provision in the law which allowed child marriages.
"We urge the government to make child protection a priority by amending this flawed provision in the law.
"They must put a complete stop to the practice of child marriage, as it entail |
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Simunggu posted on 29-11-2013 09:28 AM
haha...mengarut sdh kamu...hehehe
Karut? Orang2 yg hidup sebagai hamba (kpd orang Arab) spt kamu ini tak akan berfikir dan hanya akan menganggap kata2 orang yg berfikir sbg karut. 
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Sephiroth posted on 1-12-2013 11:06 AM
Karut? Orang2 yg hidup sebagai hamba (kpd orang Arab) spt kamu ini tak akan berfikir dan hanya aka ...
lagi sekali kamu karut marut....tak habis habis peganggan kamu karut... |
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in islam marriage is accepted young , adult and old.......
likewise abrahamic religion....
likewise all the religion in the world which never forbid marriage at any age....
likewise what has been accepted by the people all around the wolrd before ministry of education exist....
marriage is a registration of relationship, licensed of legal sex....dont act naive....
like sex downgrade a person....
only free sex is consider worngdoing, but marriage is seomething that sacred and celebrated....
yes, celebrate marriage,,,,...
God knows best.... |
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by Ussopp
likewise abrahamic religion....
Where in Judaism or Christianity does it state that it is alright to marry a girl who have not reached puberty? SHOW ME.
likewise all the religion in the world which never forbid marriage at any age....
Again, show where in Hinduism, Buddhism or any other religions in the World actually promotes marriage of a girl who have not reached puberty.
As far as I know, this practice is done due to TRADITION, like in India and China but as the ages passed, it is no more practiced. Nowadays, 16 - 18 years the legitimate age to marry. Those who are 18 and above can marry who ever they choose but those younger than that have to get permission from their guardians (at least here in Malaysia). And this law is accepted and followed by everyone EXCEPT MUSLIMS. |
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ussopp posted on 6-12-2013 11:20 AM
in islam marriage is accepted young , adult and old.......
likewise abrahamic religion....
King soloman has many wives but not a child...but than again is wrong to have many wives...
Why did God allow Solomon to have 1,000 wives and concubines?"
Answer: First Kings 11:3 states that Solomon “had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines.” Obviously, God “allowed” Solomon to have these wives, but allowance is not the same as approval. Solomon’s marital decisions were in direct violation of God’s Law, and there were consequences.
Solomon started out well early in his life, listening to the counsel of his father, David, as recorded in 1 Kings 2:2-3, “Be strong, show yourself a man, and observe what the Lord your God requires: Walk in his ways, and keep his decrees and commands, his laws and requirements, as written in the Law of Moses, so that you may prosper in all you do and wherever you go.” Solomon’s early humility is shown in 1 Kings 3:5-9 when he requests wisdom from the Lord. Wisdom is applied knowledge; it helps us make decisions that honor the Lord and agree with the Scriptures. Solomon’s book of Proverbs is filled with practical counsel on how to follow the Lord. Solomon also wrote the Song of Solomon, which presents a beautiful picture of what God intends marriage to be. So, King Solomon knew what was right, even if he didn’t always follow the right path.
Over time, Solomon forgot his own counsel and the wisdom of Scripture. God had given clear instructions for anyone who would be king: no amassing of horses, no multiplying of wives, and no accumulating of silver and gold (Deuteronomy 17:14-20). These commands were designed to prevent the king from trusting in military might, following foreign gods, and relying on wealth instead of on God. Any survey of Solomon’s life will show that he broke all three of these divine prohibitions!
Thus, Solomon’s taking of many wives and concubines was in direct violation of God’s Word. Just as God had predicted, “As Solomon grew old, his wives turned his heart after other gods, and his heart was not fully devoted to the LORD his God” (1 Kings 11:4). To please his wives, Solomon even got involved in sacrificing to Milcom (or Molech), a god that required “detestable” acts to be performed (1 Kings 11:7-8).
God allowed Solomon to make the choice to disobey, but Solomon’s choice brought inevitable consequences. “So the Lord said to Solomon, ‘Since this is your attitude and you have not kept my covenant and my decrees, which I commanded you, I will most certainly tear the kingdom away from you and give it to one of your subordinates’” (1 Kings 11:11). God showed mercy to Solomon for David’s sake (verse 12), but Solomon’s kingdom was eventually divided. Another chastisement upon Solomon was war with the Edomites and Aramians (verses 14-25).
Solomon was not a puppet king. God did not force him to do what was right. Rather, God laid out His will, blessed Solomon with wisdom, and expected the king to obey. In his later years, Solomon chose to disobey, and he was held accountable for his decisions.
It is instructive that, toward the end of Solomon’s life, God used him to write one more book, which we find in the Bible. The book of Ecclesiastes gives us “the rest of the story.” Solomon throughout the book tells us everything he tried in order to find fulfillment apart from God in this world, or “under the sun.” This is his own testimony: “I amassed silver and gold for myself, and the treasure of kings and provinces. I acquired . . . a harem as well–the delights of the heart of man” (Ecclesiastes 2:8). But his harem did not bring happiness. Instead, “Everything was meaningless, a chasing after the wind; nothing was gained under the sun” (verse 11). At the conclusion of Ecclesiastes, we find wise counsel: “Here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole [duty] of man” (12:13).”
It is never God’s will that anyone sin, but He does allow us to make our own choices. The story of Solomon is a powerful lesson for us that it does not pay to disobey. It is not enough to start well; we must seek God’s grace to finish well, too. Life without God is a dead-end street. Solomon thought that having 1,000 wives and concubines would provide happiness, but whatever pleasure he derived was not worth the price he paid. As a wiser Solomon said, “God will bring every deed into judgment” (Ecclesiastes 12:14).
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