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Truth.8

Originally posted by Kazuo at 12-9-2003 06:36 PM:
Mark 7

6He replied, "Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:
   " 'These people honor me with their lips,
       but their hearts are far from m ...

so???:re:

Is it really that pig is unclean that Islam prohibit?

Isn't pig one of the 360 idols in Ka'aba?

amorist as the moderator then was so happy with misspiggy.

Kazuo

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 2003-9-12 07:30 PM:
so???:re:

so, what?? don't u know yr own bible? :re:

Aiii yaaa , don't play play la , don't be kan ceong laaa. Bible follower can eat pig because they have new prophet or perhaps grandson of god which is Debmey , Debmey claim the bible law is useless . So goes with sodomise , it is also ok for bible follower

anta

Originally posted by Debmey at 2003-9-12 12:51 AM:
Pigs are unclean and carry toxins? So are humans and cattle. So where do you draw the line? Where is it in the Qurabn that draws a logical line?

Here are a few info on Foods and drink:
-  Kinds of food  
-  The manners of eating food  
-  invitation to food  
-  Slaughtering  
-  Hunting  

http://quran.al-islam.com/Subjec ... &p=0-2105-2110-

To be more specific on pigs, cattle etc. Here are a few info:

http://quran.al-islam.com/Targam ... Sora=2&nAya=173

http://quran.al-islam.com/Search ... p;flag=1&ID=931

http://quran.al-islam.com/Subjec ... 105-2110-2111-2119-

http://quran.al-islam.com/Search ... p;flag=1&ID=672

Originally posted by Debmey at 2003-9-12 08:21 AM:
... As for anta, can you please tell me where does the Quran draw the line on unclean meat? Beef and prawns isn't exactly the cleanest meat you know?

More info :

-  Originally, pleasant and agreeable food is permissible  
-  Prohibition of lawful pleasant and agreeable food  
-  Eating the flesh of horses  
-  Eating the meat of dead sea creatures  
-  Eating fish  
-  The food of the people of the Book  

http://quran.al-islam.com/Subjec ... 105-2110-2111-2112-

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Narrated Abu Hurairah:
The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said, "Religion is very easy and whoever overburdens himself in his religion will not be able to continue in that way. So you should not be extremists, but try to be near to perfection and receive the good tidings that you will be rewarded; and gain strength by offering the Salat (prayers) in the mornings, afternoons and during the last hours of the nights."(See Fath Al-Bari, Vol. 1, Page 102) (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol. 1, Hadith No. 38).
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Debmey

You did not answer my question.
Where does the Quran draw the line on toxicity and bacteria since beef and seafood carry them as well?

Truth.8

Originally posted by Kazuo at 13-9-2003 01:52 AM:
so, what?? don't u know yr own bible? :re:

do i eat those unclean meat??? what about  those unclean animals that some muslims do not eat and some muslims eat? for example, shrimp, camel , crab ......i hve seen some muslims view it unclean to eat. about u? oh don't tell me it created for jews. that is stupid and silly view given to me by Muslims.

anta

Originally posted by Debmey at 2003-9-13 05:40 AM:
You did not answer my question.
Where does the Quran draw the line on toxicity and bacteria since beef and seafood carry them as well?

In Islam WATER plays a very important role to the cleanliness of the body, foods etc.

I do not know whether you wash your beef and seafood with TISSUE PAPER !!

I do not know whether you do not COOK your beef and seafood !!

Debmey oh Debmey, I post it again:

Narrated Abu Hurairah:
The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said, "Religion is very easy and whoever overburdens himself in his religion will not be able to continue in that way. So you should not be extremists, but try to be near to perfection and receive the good tidings that you will be rewarded; and gain strength by offering the Salat (prayers) in the mornings, afternoons and during the last hours of the nights."(See Fath Al-Bari, Vol. 1, Page 102) (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol. 1, Hadith No. 38).

anta

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 2003-9-13 01:04 PM:
do i eat those unclean meat??? what about  those unclean animals that some muslims do not eat and some muslims eat? for example, shrimp, camel , crab ......i hve seen some muslims view it unclean t ...

Truth.8,

Can you elaborate, what do you mean by UNCLEAN ANIMALS?
How do you clean you body then?

Debmey

You still did not answer my question. Where is Islam does it draws the line on toxicity and bacteria? Where is the logical or scientific line drawn?
What is the logic of abstinance of pork but not beef and prawn due to toxicity and bacteria?

anta

Originally posted by Debmey at 13-9-2003 01:25 PM:
You still did not answer my question. Where is Islam does it draws the line on toxicity and bacteria? Where is the logical or scientific line drawn?
What is the logic of abstinance of pork but no ...

You still cannot grasped my messages. Never mind.
Here is more info for you to use your BRAIN (Read PREPARING FOOD SECTION):
http://outreach.missouri.edu/fnep/fdsafe.htm

Another one:
http://www.independenttraveler.c ... D=55&category=5

[ Last edited by anta on 13-9-2003 at 02:35 PM ]

Debmey

You still did not answer my question, where is it in the Quran does it draw a logical line on toxicicty and bacteria in meat? Looks like you do not even think. No amount of cut and paste will do then.

Kazuo

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 13-9-2003 01:04 PM:
do i eat those unclean meat??? what about  those unclean animals that some muslims do not eat and some muslims eat? for example, shrimp, camel , crab ......i hve seen some muslims view it unclean t ...

u lost me here.  i'm clueless as to what you're saying.  i posted Mark 7:6 to remind all that what we eat is not important, that's all.  did u not read before u reply?  

Mark 7

6He replied, "Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:
   " 'These people honor me with their lips,
       but their hearts are far from me.

    7They worship me in vain;
       their teachings are but rules taught by men.'[2]

8You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men."

14Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen to me, everyone, and understand this.

15Nothing outside a man can make him 'unclean' by going into him. Rather, it is what comes out of a man that makes him 'unclean.' "

[6]

17After he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about this parable.

18"Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'?

19For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body.  (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods "clean.)

20He went on: "What comes out of a man is what makes him 'unclean.'