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Apa identiti dan kelebihan MELAYU (merged with manjamalinja)

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Post time 4-9-2010 11:02 AM | Show all posts |Read mode
Post Last Edit by seribulan at 21-9-2010 10:17

Saya rasa pasti ada, tapi apa?

Setiap bangsa mesti ada hebatnya.
Dimanakah taring melayu dimata dunia
Dimanakah kehebatan melayu dimata dunia
Dimanakah identiti melayu dimata dunia
Kekuatan yang kita ada itulah senjata...

Mari kita bincangkan..
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Post time 11-3-2009 11:45 PM | Show all posts

Dilema Melayu Milenia (merged with zamkumis)

Post Last Edit by seribulan at 21-9-2010 10:17

Assalamualaikum dan salam sejahtera. Sukacita aku merujuk perkara di atas. Aku baru membaca 2 bab (baru nak berjinak-jinak dengan bacaan serius) buku Dilema Melayu yang ditulis oleh Dr M. Pada pandangan aku, walaupun buku berkenaan ditulis pada tahun 1970 namun apa yang diketengahkan nampaknya masih relevan dengan situasi politik semasa. Bezanya situasi dan pendekatan peristiwa yang berlaku. So, apa pandangan korang?

Thanx in advance.

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Post time 12-3-2009 08:16 AM | Show all posts

Balas #1 manjamalinja\ catat

i baca tapi tak habiss ....

apa yg i boleh kata, masa sesapa kat luar kotak....cakap cemana pun OK tapi bila org yg sama duk dlm kotak....dia pun buat benda yg sama!....

tapi part melayu mudah LUPA diri kalo dia senang, memang betul sgt
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Post time 12-3-2009 11:09 AM | Show all posts

Balas #2 my-alja\ catat

Ntahla, makin risau plak bila demonstrasi jadi budaya. Takut tragedi 16 Mei berulang lagi...
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Post time 12-3-2009 06:02 PM | Show all posts
aku seorg yg berbangsa melayu terasa malu bile dr m boleh tulis mcm tu masa tahun 1970. masa dulu2 buku tu banned kan? baru2 ni jer reprint balik. aku pinjam kat library uni aku ni pun edition export tahun 1970. nak cari mesia nyer version lame, jgn harap!
melayu sekarang lupa priority utama kepada siapa. kepada agama or bangsa or sendiri or negara?
hmm...having said that pun takde mane pun pilihan tu yg jadi pilihan betul atau salah.

alamak, mcm dah rambling jer nih.. paham ke tak? hihi

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Post time 13-3-2009 06:53 AM | Show all posts

Balas #4 redsinner\ catat

Pahammmm, cikgu... Kalau tak paham aku tak buat post ni. Bagi aku, aku nak buat yang terbaik dalam karier aku supaya aku boleh menyumbang kepada agama, bangsa dan negara.
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Post time 24-3-2009 06:36 PM | Show all posts

Reply #5 manjamalinja's post

so apa lagi yg ko discover dari buku Dr M?

one thing aku sedar ialah beliau mmg seorang yg visionary. dia nyer pandangan sebagai seorg pemimpin utk pandu negara mmg jauh. very clear headings but his executions mmg ramai tak suke tapi bile skrg Pak Lah take over baru kita sedar bende2 yg Dr M dah buat.
dari buku dia pun his sense of history and value of his people (Malays) are very strong. compassionate man.
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Post time 1-4-2009 09:03 PM | Show all posts

Balas #6 redsinner\ catat

Dr M juga seorang yang tegas dan fokus...kalau beliau nak buat,, beliau akan pastikan benda itu dilaksanakan..
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Post time 17-4-2009 07:44 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by manjamalinja at 1-4-2009 21:03
Dr M juga seorang yang tegas dan fokus...kalau beliau nak buat,, beliau akan pastikan benda itu dilaksanakan..


amazed tgk org2 camni kann.....mungkin ada 1 dlm beberapa generasi
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Post time 21-4-2009 07:56 AM | Show all posts
menilai seseorang pemimpin misalnya jgn tengok apa pencapaian dia saja tapi juga apa yg dia gagal buat...

apa yg dia cipta apa pulak yg dia rosakkan

apa yg dia bagi hidup apa pulak yg dia bunuh...

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Post time 22-4-2009 05:47 AM | Show all posts

Reply #9 petola's post

i would also look at the impact yg apa dia berjaya buat...sikit but the size effect dia signifikan...
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Post time 22-4-2009 07:55 AM | Show all posts
kalo nak kritik saja....tak susah
nak cakap saja pun...tak susah...
nak buat tu saja.... tak daya
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Post time 27-4-2009 07:24 PM | Show all posts
Aku belom nampak pengganti yang hampir2 sama level.

Anyway, it's a good moral question.

Apa yang kita perjuangkan ni, masing2 punya vision, adakah untuk kepentingan tembolok sendiri,  atau untuk memperkasakan bangsa dan negara?
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Post time 6-5-2009 10:28 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by manjamalinja at 11-3-2009 23:45
Assalamualaikum dan salam sejahtera. Sukacita aku merujuk perkara di atas. Aku baru membaca 2 bab (baru nak berjinak-jinak dengan bacaan serius) buku Dilema Melayu yang ditulis oleh Dr M. Pada pa ...

ok..aku pun baru je  cuba mengenali dan memahami  apa yg disampaikan Tun M dalam buku
Malay Dilemma

aku antara orang yg tak suka atau benci Tun M ni masa kat kampus dulu
masa tu aku mungkin terikut2 atau terpengaruh  gaya reformasi mahasiswa yg  condong pembangkang  kat UKM dulu...
lebih2 lagi aku orang kuat perwakilan pelajar masa tu..MAMPU

tapi selepas grad ..aku merasai keadaan sebenar lebih lagi bekerja dibawah syarikat didominasi bukan Melayu..
masa  tu le aku bergaul dgn dekat dgn  masyarakat  terutama  orang Melayu yang berpendapatan rendah...pernah jengah kawasan  Melayu miskin mundur kawasan pedalaman.
masa tu le aku rasai  dan fahami keadaan sebenarl  Melayu masih ketinggalan...ekonomi  dan ilmu
dan aku  faham apa yg perlu DIUTAMAKAN...
dan aku mula  membaca  dan mengenali  Tun M tu pun masa tu dia dah resign..

bagi aku  Tun masih  "merasa  keperitan "  semasa dijajah  British dan  layanan mereka  pada  orang Melayu ketika itu.
dan  itulah  yg menyebabkan Melayu  masih mundur pada zaman tu..
begitu  juga kemasukan bangsa asing.. sehinggalah tertubuhnya Malaysia..
sebab itulah beliau belajar bersungguh2 dan memilih profesion doktor atau peguam
..buktikan Melayu boleh..walhal pada ketika itu Tun ingat Melayu hanya  boleh  jadi kerani sahaja..
sampai begitu sekali British tanamkan mindset pada orang Melayu ketika itu...
dan aku tak heran pun kalau Tun amat sayangkan bangsanya...hanya politik sahaja boleh menggerakkan perubahan orang Melayu...

zaman sekarang ni..
semuanya nak  ikut global..
tanpa melihat dan memahami sejarah
pada pendapat peribadi aku  buku tu masih relevan lagi  utuk  orang Melayu..
kenali asal usul..mengapa perlu ketuanan..
terutama  sesiapa yg tak faham emosi dan sensitivi bangsa sendiri..

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Post time 7-5-2009 09:41 PM | Show all posts
1 st time baca buku ni time sekolah menengah, masa prepare kuiz perdana dulu , kena cari sejarah pemimpin negara perdana menteri dan timbalan menteri, dasar2, latarbelakang, pendidikan, kemjuan dll, pemimpin paling ektrem ialah DSAI, siap buat demo  kat u dulu. ada yg tahanISA lah dll
buku Dr memang relevan, tapi nak melaksanakan pun susah kerana rata2nya melayu ni hasad dengki, sihir,memboikot, sebati kot. itu susah nak maju, sbb nak cepat senang, suka tunjuk eksen, yg kaya sombong kemain, yg miskin asik meminta2, yg berniaga main2 kejap buka kedai kejap tutup

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Post time 9-5-2009 01:59 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by ninja boy at 7-5-2009 21:41
1 st time baca buku ni time sekolah menengah, masa prepare kuiz perdana dulu , kena cari sejarah pemimpin negara perdana menteri dan timbalan menteri, dasar2, latarbelakang, pendidikan, kemjuan d ...


Selain daripada yang di atas, melayu juga sombong bodoh.

Janganlah cuba nak kritik depan2 dengan kenyataan2 hang tu...mau keluar keris pedang bagai.

Camana nak maju & perbaiki diri kalau kita refuse nak terima kritikan.

Asyik ingat kita tuan dan kita betul.

Dahlah kita sendiri gagal melihat ke dalam diri dan mengkritik diri sendiri!

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Post time 18-5-2009 03:08 PM | Show all posts
aku pn tgh bace buku tu skang..

setakat ni aku setuju sgt ngan ape yg Tun M ckp dlm buku..

byk yg xpenah aku tepikir..

org melayu memg kene bace buku tu utk motivate dorg supaya berubah..

sebagai melayu aku rase malu bile bace buku tu..

ape yg Tun M tulis tu cam setepek kene kat muka aku
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Post time 18-5-2009 04:45 PM | Show all posts
Kalau pasal buku The Malay Dilemma, I have read the original version many years ago. So details banyak dah lupalah. Receiving first hand info on the goings on at that time, my outlook now would be as following:

It was an attempt to dissect/study why they lost. This is the right thing to do anyway so that bridges may be built where needed. Though some of the issues may be seen as racial centric, looking at how the victory celebrations went out of hand I find this a necessity. One cannot assume that the issues were not there or just sweep them under the carpet. Yes it was a bitter pill for everyone but without upturning all issues, whether you like it or not, you cannot chart your route into the future .

La ni when they lost dearly in the last election...did they make a concerted effort to find out why? No, I do not intend to go political...I leave that to the political board or so. My point is ...skirting the issue would not get you to the right solution....

I feel Dr M, by virtue of his training perhaps, memang buat "post mortem" tu perkara biasalah. You will have seen the steps taken culminating from the study. Yes, there are still many failings that need proper addressing.

In any case , our own failings need to be recognised and evaluated. This is the main thrust of the book. To do this one needs to change the value system...... the culture that had held back the people's progress which is vital in the new millinium.

[ Last edited by  hamizao at 18-5-2009 17:35 ]

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Post time 20-5-2009 10:48 PM | Show all posts
menilai seseorang pemimpin misalnya jgn tengok apa pencapaian dia saja tapi juga apa yg dia gagal buat...
apa yg dia cipta apa pulak yg dia rosakkan, apa yg dia bagi hidup apa pulak yg dia bunuh...


Benar, petola. There is  a yardstick for this di setiap zaman. Sy teringatkan satu analisa oleh penulis buku "Benarkah Iskandar Bukan Zulqarnain" apabila ia evaluate "kebesaran" Iskandar/Alexander. Ia memberi pandangan berasaskan kefahaman/ falsafah semasa. Namun falsafah semasapun ada yang berlainan ......depends on whether you are left, right or centre. ........or nowhere

I would say a leader is one who leads his people to a "desirable destination". Unfortunately, not everyone has the knowledge of what that destination is, hence a knowledgeable and visionary person would be imperative, amongst others. A great leader  would be one who can achieve great advancement towards the  destination. Must be result oriented. How he does it secondary, I think, though not necessarily unimportant.  He is capable of handling the odds. . Just  a bit of my thoughts....

[ Last edited by  hamizao at 20-5-2009 22:55 ]
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Post time 24-5-2009 07:34 PM | Show all posts
benda2 mcm ni kena kaji from all angle. kekadang pemimpin yg kite harapkan tak tentunye akan jadi sebagaiman yg ditilikkan. i really2 wish not to go into politics but malays are sooo good at politicking that sometimes they forgot what is the real reason to politicize about. Dr M laid out the exact problems the Malays in general are facing and guess what, 30 yrs after he wrote the book, the problems remain! so adakah itu masalah kite atau masalah Dr M.
is the status quo sooo good that made the Malays so complacent in their position and thus not having any motivation to improve? or maybe because the leaders nowadays dont have the same charismatic vision as Dr M?
i saw in another board that a forummer allegedly rather called himself a Muslim when people ask for his race. race is bangsa, islam is agama. that is different. i have no offence against him but have to understand what the word itself means.
we cant stop being a malay, cant denounce ourselves a Malay, hence we have to have a motivation to change our race to a better level if it is that bad.

i apologize if my words hurt anyone but i'd say if we want to change we still can! not for ourselves but for our generations to come.
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