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Generation of excess - anak tak tau menilai /hargai wang or barang?

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Post time 21-1-2008 10:44 PM | Show all posts |Read mode
Rock minta maaf kalau topik ni dah pernah dibincangkan.. Rock ingin membincangkan mengenai anak-anak kita.. generasi yg mana ibu bapa mempunyai tahap pendidikan and pendapatan yg lebih tinggi daripada ibu bapa kita dulu. Thus, allowing us to have more purchasing power and ultimately mungkin spoiling our children with excess of material things.

Tetapi sebagai seorang ibu yg mencuba yg terbaik utk anak Rock, rock ingin mencari balance between memberi segala yg terbaik utk anak tetapi at the same time tidak terlalu "spoil" kan anak. Pengalaman Rock sendiri dgn anak Rock, Meisha, berumur 6 thn, (anak sorang, so mungkin terlebih segalanye ) - yg tidak tau menghargai barangan yg kita belikan macam toys, books, baju - dapat hari ni.. esok entah ke mana. Bila Rock ungkitkan yg dia tidak tau "appreciate her things and didn't realise how lucky she is compare to other kids" jawapan dia " I didn't ask you to buy me all those things, mummy" Which get me thinking, sometimes, kita sebagai parents, secara sedar atau tidak, tend to over indulge our children with material things, either to compensate for things that we didn't have when we were little or to compensate the time that we didn't spend with our kids.

Apa pendapat ibu yg lain ?

[ Last edited by  rockabebe at 21-1-2008 02:47 PM ]
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Post time 22-1-2008 08:04 AM | Show all posts
a'ah sama dgn topik yg me pernah tanya satu ketika dulu...MAMPU, sampai mana?

some parents believe, we give whatever we can while we are still earning.....tapi isunya sampai mana?....i tak setuju my fren bagi h/set utk anak dia yg baru berusia 6 thn ketika itu, harganya dlm rm600 ....dia jawab, sebab dia MAMPU ...of course lah mampu, kalo isi rumah punya pendapatan lebih rm30k sebulan....

sama jugak cam anak rock, kalo mak dia(even myself) bebel....anak tak pandai appreciate barang...jawapannya " i dun ask for it"... ...buat kita terfikir, buat apalah aku habiskan duit beli benda yg dia takleh nak hargai....

satu yg my fren pesan, nak upgrade manusia nie mudah sgt.....tapi nak downgrade mereka, terlalu susah....jadi apa yg kita ada nie, berpada-dapa ajelah...nak ikut MAMPU, baik kita tabung utk dia belajar nanti, takyah harap bantuan sesapa ....ada kot dlm rm700k for 3 yrs in USA....ada sanggup....huhuhuhuhu
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Post time 22-1-2008 08:15 AM | Show all posts
True..it磗 easy to say selagi aku mampu org lain peduli apa. Anak aku kan.
MY abg n kakak all dah successful after bertahun-tahun of hard works. Nk compare - anak kakak - dah sekolah memasing pandai appreciate apa sj pemberian baik dari parents takpun dr kami yg lain sebagai mak2 sedara. Yelah kalau jln2 tu beli sundae cone $1 da ok. ANak abang lak sbb abang mmg jenis akan lavish kan anak2 dia - dari handphone, computer, jam2 suma branded. So even ms kecik pun kalau dia ikut kitaorg berjln, my niece has the nerve to ask mcm2. Yelah dia rasa all this while suma ayah dia mampu bg takkan kitaorg tak bole. Payah gak.
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Post time 22-1-2008 09:13 AM | Show all posts

Reply #3 asheput's post

tapi ada jugak kes di mana parents mampu utk menyediakan kemudahan utk anak
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Post time 22-1-2008 09:31 AM | Show all posts

Reply #4 morango's post

i rasakan morango...ini isu prioriti kita dlm kehidupan

memang i pun setuju dgn pendapat morango, ada mak/ayah yg sanggup beli h/bags for collection tapi anak punya kemudahan pembelajaran..dia ambik mudah, duk ayik guna colour anak org lain...duk bantai makanan org lain...

selalu i tgk, mak/ayah camni ada target yg besar dlm hidup dia...sanggup beli rumah berbijik-bijik utk bekalan anak2 gak kut...jadi daily life dia setakat cukup2 saja...

bergantung pd priority masing2 lah kut
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Post time 22-1-2008 01:21 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by my-alja at 22-1-2008 09:31 AM
i rasakan morango...ini isu prioriti kita dlm kehidupan

memang i pun setuju dgn pendapat morango, ada mak/ayah yg sanggup beli h/bags for collection tapi anak punya kemudahan pembelajaran..dia ...


for me biarlah pembelanjaran derang ok. myself tak spend sgt pun takpe...aku tengok brg sekrg semua mahal gila akan dtg lagilah mahal camne agaknya..semua nak pakai duit. simpan harta bnyk utk anak pun tak cukup. lagi elok klu education derang bagus dpt keje elok derang boleh survive masa akan dtg...my 2 cents...
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Post time 22-1-2008 01:24 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by my-alja at 22-1-2008 08:04 AM
a'ah sama dgn topik yg me pernah tanya satu ketika dulu...MAMPU, sampai mana?

some parents believe, we give whatever we can while we are still earning.....tapi isunya sampai mana?....i tak set ...


RM700k???fuhhh nak simpan RM80k dlm insurance pun berpeluh gak lah.. itu satu anak, klu 4 anak cam aku ni...waduh poning kepala den...
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Post time 22-1-2008 02:34 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by iddine at 22-1-2008 01:24 PM


RM700k???fuhhh nak simpan RM80k dlm insurance pun berpeluh gak lah.. itu satu anak, klu 4 anak cam aku ni...waduh poning kepala den...


kiraan tu dah masuk inflation rate ...ada my fren kata, laki dia plan nak bagi one way ticket aje utk anak dia sambung belajar kat luar nanti...pepandailah depa nak hidup lepas tu....hahahah, jenuh gak tu!
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 Author| Post time 22-1-2008 07:56 PM | Show all posts
Sometimes, kita sebagai parents pun byk terpengaruh dgn iklan-iklan or research ke.. ye le.. klu educationalists or experts cakap toys A ni stimulate baby's brain le, or reading program B ni is the better programme to get your kids to learn faster.. then sedikit sebanyak terpengaruh jugak...

Macam Rock and hubby..skg ni..byk juga duit habis for activities yg dia suka.. dulu dia suka ballet, so beli baju ballet, kasut, beg, tap shoes etc, enroll dia class.. tak sampai 6 bulan dia boring.. so we all tak de paksa dia.. and then minat karate lak.. enroll kelas lagi.. beli baju etc..bukan murah.. pastu boring lak.. skg ni swimming lak.. so far dia okay.. we are not pushy.. just encourage her to do something.. kalau dia suka, we all okay.. tak suka pun tak apa.. sebab we believe in not forcing her..

On her 4th bday.. daddy dia kasi digital camera..jenis minolta dlm harga
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Post time 22-1-2008 08:38 PM | Show all posts
i rasa kalau kita beli utk membantu dlm skill development atau pun yg berkaitan dgn minat which is kita tgk mmg dorang ada potential..why not..

tp kalau mcm i ni, mmg tak berapa mampu la nak indulge anak2..apa yg dorang nak i ckp kat dorang kumpul duit sendiri..naknya yg sulung dah masuk darjah satu, bg duit poket, kalau igt dia simpan kalau tak lebur ler..

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Post time 22-1-2008 08:42 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by hanna1905 at 22-1-2008 08:38 PM
i rasa kalau kita beli utk membantu dlm skill development atau pun yg berkaitan dgn minat which is kita tgk mmg dorang ada potential..why not..


so how do you know they have the potential, if u dun lavish on them ...

for me takde black n white answer....
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 Author| Post time 22-1-2008 09:59 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by my-alja at 22-1-2008 12:42 PM


so how do you know they have the potential, if u dun lavish on them ...

for me takde black n white answer....


Betul tu.. catch 22 ...
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Post time 22-1-2008 11:23 PM | Show all posts
Sedang elok topik nie diutarakan semula.....Yana pun selalu terfikir, where is the fine line between providing for your children and spoiling them...? Yana sendiri, i think it is better to instill values in your kids first before anything else...parents nowadays yg kedua2nya bekerja now dah takde masa nak spend time with kids to do that. So, pada Yana, in order to compensate for that and maybe the guilt that they are feeling, they turn to material stuff.

I have a niece who is barely 4 years old. I geleng kepala bila mummy dia belikan a rm100+ set of Barbie. No offense to mothers who bought their kids barbies but at 4? Tgn dan jari dia pun tak coordinated enough to put on the clothes and shoes. A week later, 100 ringgit Barbie and her 12 pairs of tiny shoes dah masuk bakul, all forgotten. and satu lagi, COUSIN PRESSURE.....aarrghhh! tapi bab nie, yana rasa mak2 aje yg lebih2...bila melawat cousin2 esp yg loaded sikit, rasa intimidated sebab cousin byk toys yg canggih2...dia tak nampak, mak bpk cousin gaji 20k sebulan and dia pulak tak sampai 5k sebulan...

pada Yana, boleh nak cater to all your kid's whim and fancy, tapi, at the same time, parents kena take time and beritau anak that it IS NOT as easy as kacang puteh to get what you want. Anak2 kena sedar that mummy and daddy has worked hard in order to buy things for them...kids must realise that ada ramai lagi kanak2 yg barely have enough to eat, can't go to school, don't even know what Barney is.....
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Post time 22-1-2008 11:57 PM | Show all posts
Agreed ngan DocYana 100%. As for me, i straightly said NO to my daughter when she asked some things which are not relevant. Ada kalanya dia nangis jugak, but mostly she understand when i said no or cannot. Mmg as mother, kalau boleh kita nak bg the best for our kids, tapi jgn la melampau sgt.. Dlm hal macam ni, i and hubby selalu remind each other.. yelah.. certain time, kimo ada gak cair bila anak pujuk, abd huby akan tegas and said NO, begitu jugak sebaliknya.
Tapi kalau benda tu boleh develop her brains, i akan usahakan, even that thing quite expensive.
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Post time 23-1-2008 01:11 AM | Show all posts
mm akak ni sentiasa mencuba untuk  membuat anak akak sedar diri. We've told her many times pasal life, mak ayah dia  hanya akan menghantarnya untuk ke kelas apa sahaja kelas yang dia nak ikut. Pakaian paling bagus pun hanya baju powerpuff girl aje. Banyak kali bagi tau kat anak akak pasal duit supaya  dia pandai berjimat. Bagi tau dia we all tidak selama - lamanya ada, suatu hari nanti dia akan menjadi tua sebagaimana kami, akan mempunyai  famili dan sebagainya... dia faham. Tapi satu soalan daripadanya yang buat kami tergelak dan  pada masa yang sama  nak marah ... bila dia tanyan ... nanti bila Ain besar nanti, Ain kahwin dengan siapa?
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Post time 23-1-2008 01:24 PM | Show all posts

Reply #13 DocYana's post

hahaha...memang tak dinafikanlah setengah2 mak(most of the cases)..menilai diri dia IBU TERBAIK dgn beli baju2 branded, toys mahal2, VCD canggih2 kat anak2...no offence OK, just a typical phenomenon kat negara kita nie...

anak nie tak kisah punnn pakai baju murah tapi mak2 yg lelebih...anak2 main toys kejap aje, lepas tu dia bosan...kita aje yg beriya-iya spend bagai nak rakkk, pastu sakit hati sendiri sebab anak tak pandai jaga(myself la nie)

spend time with our kids, that's the best policy...the rest come along just to compensate our feeling of being too busy n guilt
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Post time 23-1-2008 02:21 PM | Show all posts
i really agree with my-alja. actually parents je yang lelebih pon (especially mak2 ni). the best policy kite spend a lot of our time with them. material ni tak
ke mana. bukan budak2 ni tau baju dia mahal ke murah ke mainan pe murah ke mahal. sometimes kite yang rasa tak selesa bile gather dengan membe2 tgk
anak2 masing baju branded but not our kids. pada aku tgk le pada kemampuan dan keadaan. ada waktu nak bagi selesa hati kite dan anak tak salah beli
baju branded tapi berkadar2 ikut kemampuan. ari2 bese dok umah baju murah pon tak pe. bukan org tau pun. lain le kalo memang dilahirkan dalam famili
jutawan kaya raya mak bapak pun memang dari kecik pakai baju mahal tu terpulang le. yang aku pelik ada gak orang yang aku jumpa, keje bese je tapi baju
anak2 mesti mahal giler sampai le ke baju tido pon nak jenama princess le escada le. tu dah melampau. dan yang selalu aku pelik parents tak hiraukan
education tools. sanggup beli mainan dan baju mahal tapi untuk education tak. pada aku biar le lebih untuk edu. dan kite sebenarnye tak patut mengajar
anak kite membazir sekalipun kite mampu. baru depa akan hargai pemberian tu. kesan memanjakan anak bukan nampak sekarang atau setahun 2 lagi tapi
nampak bile depa dah remaja dan dewasa. whatever it depends on the individu. masing2 ada cara masing kan...
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Post time 23-1-2008 03:13 PM | Show all posts
Myself and hubby, x kisah spend lebih duit utk belajar dan makan. Tapi kalau utk bermewah2 dr segi pakaian (sekali sekala tu bolehlah esp kalau nak raya), toys (including comp games), hp and all that, it's a big NO! Masa kat KL, my kids pergi sekolah yg ramai anak org kaya2. Most of them ada hp, ps2. Stationaries pun, bukan koman koman punya. And my kids pun terkesan la jugak. Si abg pernah beria2 minta hp. Si adik lak x sudah2 citer si A ada brand yg ni. Si B pun guna brand yg itu.
So I made them clear by saying... "Kalau umi jutawan sekali pun, tak akan sekali kali umi belikan hp walau pun harganya 50 hengget"

Last yr, ada sorg budak remaja, selalu gi surau kat kws rumah me kat KL. Pakaian dia simple je. Pendek kata, selama ni my hubby n frens ingatkan dia ni anak org susahlah. Dia gi surau hampir setiap waktu sebab dia nak buat hafazan. Selepas 4 bulan, barulah tahu rupanya dia ni sedang tunggu SPM. Anak org kaya lagi. Ayah dia  kerje kat US. Sekali sekala balik Mesia.
Suatu hari tu, his dad belikan 5 pasang seluar jeans Levi dr US. Ori lagik. Tapi habis dijualnye kat pakcik2 kat surau dgn harga RM20 sehelai. Tak sempat hubby nak rembat satu. Habis!!!
La ni dia dah sambung belajar kat UiTM Jengka dgrnya. Aduhai! Bertuah tul mak pak dia. Yg dok ada ni, mak pak semekin tp anak.... alahai! mcm2 kehendaknya!
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Post time 23-1-2008 05:49 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by HOTlips at 23-1-2008 03:13 PM
La ni dia dah sambung belajar kat UiTM Jengka dgrnya. Aduhai! Bertuah tul mak pak dia. Yg dok ada ni, mak pak semekin tp anak.... alahai! mcm2 kehendaknya!

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heheheh....memang punnnn, yg tak kaya nie...yg lelebihnya mintak....
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Post time 23-1-2008 06:57 PM | Show all posts
Yes, kalau pasal makan and educational toys or developing hobbies - art, or music or sports - go ahead....benda nie at least ada beri manfaat....

betul ckp forummer kat atas (hehe, tak ingat nama) kengkadang tu, mak2 yg rasa inferiority complex - i guess this is equivalent to guys yg takleh tgk member lelaki lain make up kereta, modify engine kereta and tukar2 handphone....hahaha...
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