Brain???

wei_loon5063

"There's a young student at this university," neurologist Professor John Lorber of Sheffield University told Science magazine in December 1980, "who has an IQ of 126, has gained a first-class honours degree in mathematics, and is socially completely normal. And yet the boy has virtually no brain."

A scan revealed that the student had only 1mm of brain tissue lining the inside of his skull - fluid filled the area where the rest of his brain should have been. His was an extreme case of hydrocephalus, or "water on the brain", whereby cerebrospinal fluid fills the brain instead of circulating around it. Most sufferers can lead normal lives if regularly treated.

But if he had no brain, where was his mind?

Similar questions are raised by cases of "transplant memories". In 1988, Claire Sylvia received a heart and double-lung transplant. After the operation, she underwent some apparent personality changes: she began to have unusual (for her) cravings for beer, green peppers and chicken nuggets; she dreamed about beautiful women and experienced homosexual urges. She also dreamed of meetings with a young man called Tim.

Alarmed, Sylvia sought out her donor's family and discovered that her new organs had belonged to an 18-year-old boy, called Tim. Tim had a penchant for the same foods she was craving - he was eating chicken nuggets when he died - and Sylvia felt he was the boy in her dreams.
In the 19th century, German anatomist Leopold Auerbach observed a complex network of nerve cells in the human digestive tract. This nerve bundle, a "second brain" containing more nerve cells than the spinal cord, was recently rediscovered by Michael Gershon at Columbia University. Professor Wolfgang Prinz in Munich has also studied this, and thinks it could govern some of our emotional and physical responses to thoughts and events - hence, perhaps, "gut feelings".

Georgetown University's Dr Candace Pert has suggested that neuropeptides are linked to our sense of self. These chemicals, found in all our major organs and muscles, enable communication between the mind and body. Pert's theory is that they also carry our emotions and our memories. Is consciousness diffused throughout the body with them?

hmmm.......

Now....... what do we use to think?

Brain? :stp:

where is our consciousness now?

blastoff

Originally posted by wei_loon5063 at 7-6-2007 07:47 PM


hmmm.......

Now....... what do we use to think?

Brain? :stp:

where is our consciousness now?

Most human beings don't like to use their brains ... some taksub "muslims" even claim that only the Muftis and the Imams possess the ability to use a brain to think about Al Quran and Hadith ... ordinary people can only follow and obey ...

wei_loon5063

Originally posted by blastoff at 7-6-2007 09:35 PM


Most human beings don't like to use their brains ... some taksub "muslims" even claim that only the Muftis and the Imams possess the ability to use a brain to think about Al Quran a ...

Huh??

Why is it so? As long as you look deep and see Quran as it is and not what you want it to be... then you will see what the Quran trying to teach.

It applied to all things.....

If you do not have a clean heart, you will not see things as it is.

so.... if people say you stupid no brain, don feel sad

ordinary people can only follow and obey ...

See... they do not understand the teachings......

the Imans etc... they are teachers or mentor...

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blastoff

Originally posted by wei_loon5063 at 7-6-2007 10:48 PM

the Imans etc... they are teachers or mentor...

One must be careful with who one wants to consider as mentor or else one's mind will be brainwashed by the so called mentor ...its a delicate situation ... to reject , cannot , but to accept , must verify first ....the key factor is the brain , must make sure the brain is able to work properly at all times   , grease it if its cranky but make sure it works

wei_loon5063

Originally posted by blastoff at 8-6-2007 01:44 AM

....the key factor is the brain , must make sure the brain is able to work properly at all times   ...

Till now I am still wondering.. how can a kid without brain be able to think?

If that happen then it also mean that science only see things from one point and there are other perspective that science unable to see

blastoff

Originally posted by wei_loon5063 at 8-6-2007 05:21 AM



Till now I am still wondering.. how can a kid without brain be able to think?

If that happen then it also mean that science only see things from one point and there are other perspecti ...

A kid is not without brain , its just that his brain's ability to fully function/comprehend things like us is still not well developed yet , so God is fair and since He is the Creator then He knows fully well His Creation's weaknessess so thats why laa when children commit sinful acts then the sins go to the parents and not the kids (the kids are still sinless) , because the parents have well developed brains so they must use their brains to control the kids but if they fail resulting in the kids fall into sin then the parents are the ones to be blamed and not the kids ...see how fair God is, God will not burden His creations with the things that they are unable (not unwilling) to do  .

wei_loon5063

Originally posted by blastoff at 8-6-2007 08:13 AM

A kid is not without brain , its just that his brain's ability to fully function/comprehend things like us is still not well developed yet , so God is fair and since He is the Creator then H ...

Okay.......

Muslims are servants to Allah right? How many servant do He need in heaven? :stp:

You will be servant in heaven or enjoy reward in heaven?

back to brain and consicousness..... how you you know you exist?

You sit in a dark quiet stagnant ambient......

You see nothing, hear nothing, feel no wind, smell nothing

you relax.... you sense nothing... how do you know you exist?

ajinomotonosuga

this pc is  ur brain wei loon ok?

the world wide web is the consciousness

so when u in cyberworld, u r connecting to ur consciousness aaaa paham ?

we are talking ESSENCE here laa ok?

essence is not tangible, non physical but u KNOW, it is there somewhere,.....haiyaaaaaaaaa spooky laaa macam X Files

wei_loon5063

Originally posted by ajinomotonosuga at 8-6-2007 05:56 PM
this pc is  ur brain wei loon ok?

the world wide web is the consciousness

so when u in cyberworld, u r connecting to ur consciousness aaaa paham ?

we are talking ESSENCE here la ...

I am using laptop larr

I mean reality consciousness not virtual consicousness

foundation

This is weird - thanks.  Any reference to the article as it could be a hoax?

My understanding of hydrocephalus is, the csf does not 'replace' the brain rather it 'squeezes' the brain for space.  Depending on when it develops (usually diagnosed during the 1st few months of birth), it will either enlarge the skull (in case of newborn as their skulls are still soft) or create high pressure in the skull leading to various potential symptom.  most common being headaches and vision problem (due to the eyes being linked to the brain via the optic nerve).  

what is mentioned above is only possible under 2 circumstances - 1. the boy is born without brain in the 1st place (unlikely) or 2. the hydrocephalus develops after his skulls hardened and squeezed his brains out of shape to those thin layers. Thus technically he still has brain but of different shape.  I don't know if that's possible as the nerves there are really sensitive.

foundation

Another interesting phenomenon is the Savant syndrome.  Where having less of certain ability (or parts of the brain - either naturally or from accidents) leads one to having extraordinary ability in another area.

wei_loon5063

Originally posted by foundation at 8-6-2007 06:31 PM
Another interesting phenomenon is the Savant syndrome.  Where having less of certain ability (or parts of the brain - either naturally or from accidents) leads one to having extraordinary ability ...

I see.... by the way.... can you explain in simple english? dont put too many medical terms. thank you

foundation

autistic savant - like someone who seems to be mentally handicapped but is a genius in certain specific areas.

e.g. look at this guy below who is autistic - couldn't even speak properly but able to draw from memory aerial view of an entire city (if you have good connection - watch the vides.

www.stephenwiltshire.co.uk

an interesting thing is, as his ability is known to more people and he starts to develop better speech and cognition, according to his sister, his 'photographic memory' reduces.....

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Agul

Maybe the brain is just an instrument of the mind.

Atomic_Omnikid

Originally posted by foundation at 9-6-2007 11:56
autistic savant - like someone who seems to be mentally handicapped but is a genius in certain specific areas.

e.g. look at this guy below who is autistic - couldn't even speak properly but ab ...

just like stephen william hawkings right?

blastoff

Originally posted by wei_loon5063 at 8-6-2007 05:12 PM



Okay.......

Muslims are servants to Allah right? How many servant do He need in heaven? :stp:

You will be servant in heaven or enjoy reward in heaven?

back to brain and consico ...

Servants of God is a metaphor for us to understand much better OUR relationship with God in this world . The metaphor has nothing to do with understanding God or our condition in paradise . Servants of Allah in a sense that muslims must obey the wills of God , just like a servant obeys the will of his master .... a master owns the servant therefore the servant has no choice but to follow the command of his master . Since God is the Owner of His Creations hence humans as His creations must follow His command laa. But God does not need His creations ,  God has no need for anything .

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foundation

Originally posted by Atomic_Omnikid at 9-6-2007 11:44 PM


just like stephen william hawkings right?

yes and no. it is similar but stephen hawking is not technically autistic savant.  he has a motor neuron disease that affects his muscles and physical ability but nothing to do with brain function.  apart from that, he is and has been a genius even before that.  he got the disease in his early twenties after obtaining a PhD from Oxford or Cambridge and was starting to be a tutor/lecturer there.  

his disease could have affected anyone of us but it will not suddenly improve our brain function and make us a genius.

there is a guy in the US that had an accident that left him 'mentally handicapped', cannot speak and take care of himself but suddenly he developed an amazing ability to  sculpt.  he can sculpt animals just after one look with his bare hands.  some are like that whereas other are 'mentally challenged' since birth but have amazing ability in other area (like the guy who inspired the character Raymond in the movie Rainman).

foundation

i like your simple to understand explanation...

wei_loon5063

Originally posted by foundation at 10-6-2007 01:58 PM


yes and no. it is similar but stephen hawking is not technically autistic savant.  he has a motor neuron disease that affects his muscles and physical ability but nothing to do with brain fun ...

What criteria that makes a man a genious :hmm:

How do you know that someone is a genious and a fool :stp:

SONofODIN

Someone who can creates something for the benefits of mankind is a genius.
Someone who commits suicide is a fool.