Dr M: No such thing as a moderate Muslim

13Friday

all extremists in the making, 13Fri





http://www.malaysia-today.net/Bl ... moderate-muslim.htm

Friday, September 15, 2006
Dr M: No such thing as a moderate Muslim
The Sun

ASTANA: There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim and US President George W. Bush is mistaken in casting his war on terror in terms of a "struggle for civilisation", former prime minister Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad says.

Mahathir, who is known for his frequent barbs against what he has called Western double standard, said he believed even the Sept 11, 2001 attacks on the US were at root linked to Israel's occupation of Palestinian land.

"What is happening today has got nothing to do with religion. It has got to do with territorial disputes, mainly the dispute over Palestinian land," he told Reuters after a religious congress here.

He said Bush's description of America's "war on terror" as "a struggle for civilisation" on the fifth anniversary of the attacks was flawed, as was the West's hope that moderate Muslims would have a dominant voice.

"There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim," he said. "We are fundamentalists in Malaysia. We follow the true teachings of the religion and the true teachings do not teach us to bomb and kill people without reason."

On Bush's comments, Mahathir, 81, said: "He's not civilised, he shouldn't be talking about civilising others."

Although most of the men who carried out the Sept 11 attacks were Saudis, Mahathir - whom Israel has in the past dubbed anti-Semitic - said he saw the Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands as the root cause of Islamist extremism.

"They (the hijackers) had no direct link but there is a great deal of sympathy for the sufferings of the people of Palestine," he said.

"Maybe that is because they are co-religionists but it is not because their religion urges them to do so. The West tends to blame religion, they blame Islam for whatever happens and associate Islam with terrorism," he said.

He said he believed dubbing a fight against Islamic extremism as a struggle for civilisation risked becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy.

"(Muslims) are without arms, they are weak and they are pushed into a corner. If you are pushed into a corner and the only thing you can do is bite, you bite," he said.

The tactics us ed by the US and allies such as Britain were an attempt to "out-terrorise the terrorists" and would therefore fail, Mahathir said. - Reuters

"Saddam Hussein terrorised his people, he killed many people. But how many did he kill compared to the numbers the Americans have caused to be killed?" he asked.

"They have opened a Pandora's Box and you have a civil war." Mahathir provoked controversy throughout his long career. In 2003 he said Jews ruled the world by proxy, prompting condemnation from Israel and Western countries.

The jailing of his former deputy Anwar Ibrahim in 1998 on sodomy charges that Anwar said were trumped up caused many western democracies to shun Mahathir.

But he has also been widely hailed as the architect of modern Malaysia and a strong voice among Muslim and developing countries.

"When you target Muslim countries, other Muslims get angry and they try to retaliate the only way they can, by bombing or maybe attempts to blow up aircraft and so you think that these Muslims are really bad," Mahathir said.

"But think first what you have done to them and then you will realise that if you were in their position you would do the same thing."

MENJ

No need to quote things out of context:

"There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim," he said. "We are fundamentalists in Malaysia. We follow the true teachings of the religion and the true teachings do not teach us to bomb and kill people without reason."

The old man is actually talking sense, for once.

- MENJ

Obersliutenant

Originally posted by 13Friday at 15-9-2006 07:45 PM
all extremists in the making, 13Fri





http://www.malaysia-today.net/Bl ... moderate-muslim.htm

Friday, September 15, 2006
Dr M: No such thing as a modera ...

Next time Friday 13.. read before you post .. do think before you leap, and be surely 100% sure . Btw Of course there are moderate muslims just in case you havent realise , arent all muslims are supposed to observe and practice  'moderation'?

Well great job in spotting that one out Menj , sharp truly sharp...

[ Last edited by  Obersliutenant at 15-9-2006 10:51 PM ]

Debmey

The muslims who are classified as moderates are no muslims at all. They do not understand and follow the Quran and hadiths.

Obersliutenant

really, so what do you recommend ? So what is a practicing muslim is like Debmey? can you please share with us ?

[ Last edited by  Obersliutenant at 15-9-2006 11:02 PM ]

Debmey

A practicing msulim are folks like osama and the taliban.
These people have understood the teachings of the quran and hadiths and tried their best to apply it.

Obersliutenant

what do you think about osama bin laden? so are you supportive of what he does?

Originally posted by Debmey at 16-9-2006 08:39 AM
A practicing msulim are folks like osama and the taliban.
These people have understood the teachings of the quran and hadiths and tried their best to apply it.

How do you affirm these people understood the tachings of quran and hadith ?

13Friday

Originally posted by MENJ at 15-9-2006 10:28 PM
No need to quote things out of context:



The old man is actually talking sense, for once.

- MENJ

so Muslims or Islamists are all terrorists in the real thing of Islam.[QED]

Debmey

Originally posted by Obersliutenant at 16-9-2006 08:45 AM
what do you think about osama bin laden? so are you supportive of what he does?

No sir, not supportive of Osama? Are you supportive of him?

13Friday

We follow the true teachings of the religion and the true teachings do not teach us to bomb and kill people without reason."



even funny cartoons on shit papers can be the reason for violence, who is wrong????

Obersliutenant

Originally posted by Debmey at 16-9-2006 10:25 AM


No sir, not supportive of Osama? Are you supportive of him?

of course not, but does that mean to you im not a practicing muslim?

Debmey

yes sir, you are practicing a softened islam that is not the islam that mo p-racticed and taught.
Have you studied islam objectively on your own?

13Friday

quite quiet on Mahathir remarks,


but so hot on Pope message of truth.

Obersliutenant

There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim," he said. "We are fundamentalists in Malaysia. We follow the true teachings of the religion and the true teachings do not teach us to bomb and kill people without reason."[/b]

Friday 13, what do you think about the above statement?

[ Last edited by  Obersliutenant at 17-9-2006 11:20 AM ]

naz_1969

Islam as a faith never ask its follower to kill and maim other people. That is what I know. The rest are pure theology and political.

13Friday

Originally posted by naz_1969 at 17-9-2006 03:45 PM
Islam as a faith never ask its follower to kill and maim other people. That is what I know. The rest are pure theology and political.

we see, we read, we feel and yet this denial like no compulsion.

Debmey

Originally posted by naz_1969 at 17-9-2006 03:45 PM
Islam as a faith never ask its follower to kill and maim other people. That is what I know. The rest are pure theology and political.

Surely you must have not been reading the Quran and hadiths

MENJ

Originally posted by Debmey at 18-9-2006 12:42 AM


Surely you must have not been reading the Quran and hadiths

There is no need to accuse Islam of what Christianity is guilty of ten-fold.

- MENJ

Debmey

Ten fold? How did you come up with such a figure?

Seems like you don't even know islamic history menj.