Learning English As A Second Language -

tictactoe

hai kawan2..

apa kabar semua.

err.. sebelum tu maaf lah, tajuk thread nak belajar english
tapi wat posting dlm malay lak... hik hik
aku ni tak terror sangat la english.
so berminat nak belajar dan buat penambahbaikan dlm diri...
sebab sedar yg english ni penting...

so aku bukak thread ni..
dengan harapan dpt bantuan dr kawan2 semua
utk ajar aku sekaligus jadi online personal tutor utk aku... boleh kan? :bgrin:
ekceli masalah aku ni ialah :

1. aku paham apa yg ditulis in english tu dan aku paham apa orang tu cakap,
tapi aku nak reply back in english tu kadang2 ada masalah... tergagap2, tak tau nak guna ayat (kurang konfiden ke??)
2. penggunaan ayat/perkataan yg mengikut situasi tu, kadang2 aku confuse...
masa bila nak guna utk situasi A dan masa bila plak nak guna utk situasi B...


so, bagaimana konsep kelas/lecturenya dan kaedah pengajaran + pembelajarannya?
(hehe... anak murid lak yg tetapkan kaedah pengajaran + pembelajaran kan... hik hik)

macam ni ye cikgu2 sekalian...
aku akan cuba post kat sini segala macam benda yg aku keliru ttg english
grammar ke, maksud ayat ke, penggunaan perkataan ke dan sebagainya la...
so harap2 cikgu2 yg mulia semua sudilah membantu aku utk leraikan kekeliruan aku tu...
selain tu, maybe sekali sekala, aku akan wat posting in english
so that cikgu2 semua boleh nilai bahasa inggeris aku dari situ...
kalau salah boleh betulkan...

ok ke mcm ni kaedah pengajarannya?
kira ok lah ek.. hehehe...

harap2 jangan lah ada ketawakan ek kalau aku wat silap...
malu nih... dah tua2 baru nak belajar... he he...

harap2 cikgu2 semua dpt membantu ek.

tq banyak2.. :tq:

[ Last edited by  dexa at 12-5-2007 07:20 PM ]

tictactoe

sebagai permulaan,
nak tanya ni..
bagaimana nak belajar english secara berkesan?

- bercakap?
- byk membaca?
- tengok rancangan english?
- etc? etc?

dan kalau korang ada link2 yg best2 boleh kongsi2 kat sini ek..

(mungkin, dah boleh agak akan ramai yg jawab dengan beri jawapan cliche,
tapi tak kisahlah.. sebab mana tau ada yg boleh bagi sesuatu cara/kaedah belajar english yg berlainan)

:tq:

TipinTakTipu

Blaja BAHASA mmg tak lari dari kena BACA, TULIS, DENGAR, CAKAP/Praktis. Bahasa Programming komputer pun camtu.. very cliche. But it's a fact.

  My experience, baca bnyk.. tak paham pun buat2 paham. Just take notes of the points. Kita bukan nak translate directly. Just nak fahamkan isi. So, bacalah.
  Then, rajin2la menulis, be it your own diary,  email, blog ker.. the list goes on.
   Biasakan dengar in English, bnyk medium.. TV, Radio.. etc. Dari ko dengar rentak muzik terkini baik bukak in English. Lelama.. dah jadik biasa.
   Then, carik member yg shehati shejiwa shemakin sherasi bershama.. aku dulu pon penah kena gelak ramai2 masa praktis speaking London ngan member kat dewan makan asrama.. praktis punya pasal.

   It's cliche, to say abt how Practise Makes Perfect. But again, it's a fact. Nobody can deny that.

   So, what's your problem then? grammar? pronunciation? Meh nak try check.. sesambil tu leh blaja sama.

Link yg bagus.. try
www.bbc.co.uk   >>> Languages >>> learn English with BBC

Aku dulu blaja french kat site tu.. mmg best sbb ada sound sekali dan leh praktis.
Good Luck!

rudyk

salah satu sebab kenapa kita slalu tegagap2/tersekat2 masa nak ckp b.i sebab kita slalu susun ayat(dlm kepala) dlm b.m... pastu terjemah dlm masa tu gak... mmg akan tersekat2 nyer... tp kalu nak bepikir dlm b.i pun mmg kena tau gak la skit2...
pasal grammar ke... preposition ke... tu suma jgn risau... aku bleh aci kerat kuku la kebanyakan org yg skipping nye berasap/berapi/berdebu...pengetahuan grammar derang tak seberapa... cuma banyakkan kan la baca2...mcm sukabar ke... pastu tgk mcmana binaan ayat derang... kalu dah slalu membaca sampai teringat2 dlm kpala otak... nanti senang la nak bina ayat dlm b.i dlm kpala...bleh?

dak_ker

tic .. tengok katun in english ..

aku practise menatang tuh .. pastuh kalo aku dapat dengar dialog katun tuh ... aku akan repeat/sebut balik

dak_ker

grammar aku selalu salah beb .. maluuu kdg2 tuh tp belasah laaa

masa aku kt u dulu, kalo dgr org cina cakap, grammar diorang pon tunggang trbalik gak .. tp respect pasal diorang fluent jek ckp english

dak_ker

aku pon baru nak blaja cakap english.

lg 1 yg aku slalu buat .. ko bace paper english tuh kuat2 .. jgn bace dlm ati ..bor bace kuar suara

rudyk

Originally posted by dak_ker at 28-7-2006 11:28 PM
grammar aku selalu salah beb .. maluuu kdg2 tuh tp belasah laaa

masa aku kt u dulu, kalo dgr org cina cakap, grammar diorang pon tunggang trbalik gak .. tp respect pasal diorang fluent jek ckp e ...

btul tu beb... kalu ko dgr btul2 org slalu belagak2 ckp b.i ni... grammar mmg hancur la... cuma derang yakin jek...ko dgr pun cam kagum jek...

katun tu pun bleh jugak la...tapi kalu dah tua2 ni mcm tak sesuai sgt la... kalu ko sanggup ko bleh tengok sesame street ngan barney...pastu kalu katun ko cuba cari thundercats...mmg sebijik2 dia sebut perkataan...

rudyk

...dan lagi satu...kalu ko nak praktis kalu bleh jgn la ckp rojak/campur2 bm bi... mmg takkan maju punye... itu kalu org dah hebat sgt dua2 bahasa bleh la... kalu ko nak campur2 pun abiskan satu ayat...pastu mula ayat dlm bahasa lain...

kalu wat camtu dua2 truk... merosakan bm... bi pun tak maju... percayalah!!!

aku setuju dgn semua pendapat..english untuk menulis agak particular sket..so hati2 part tu..spoken english ko rembat je..pedulikan pasal grammar..avoid think in malay..ko biasakn tros english..amat berbeza sebenarnya bila kita translate..pengalaman aku kt uk..mat salleh pon broken english gak..yg penting message ko sampai and english ko presentable..jgn jadikan malu sebagai alasan.untuk permulaan bila pegi tempat jual beli or counter yg ko rasa minah or mamat tu boleh speaking..ko tros je ckp english..start from simplest way untuk communicate in english..dah 3 tahun adik aku xdpt aku sms or anta surat in malay..tapi memang improve la english dia..sbb dia tpaksa reply in english..tgk tv n baca english written stuff ok gak..ingat malu bertanya sesat jalan!aku doakan ko berjaya

cindenieta

Wah!!!!! :bodek:
Saya sangat teruja ngan topik....
I'm still leraning my english....
Memang susah giler beb, tambahan tempat i nie mmg jarang orang cakap english...
Biler kiter cakap b.i nanti diaorang kata kiter berlagak. that's why now saya dah tak berapa ingat nak ckp b.i camner...
Leh la saya minta advice kat sini yek. kengkawan leh tolong saya gak yek.. TicTacToe boleh share thread nie tak? :tq:

Nara_Gaara

Grammar aku sangat teruk.Tgh blajar utk improve.Selalu terkompiuz ngan past tense,present tense bla..bla..Atas katil aku ada sebijik kamus besar.Aku rajin belek2 b4 nak tidoq.Selain tu aku suka baca apa2 artikel dalam english kuat2.Nak improve pronunciation.

cindenieta

Same to me... I afraid one day i dah tak pandai ckp b.i lagi.
Actually saya dah g kat site yg Tipin bagi.... intresting site...:solute:
tq :tq:....

Foxey

Originally posted by tictactoe at 28-7-2006 09:38 PM
sebagai permulaan,
nak tanya ni..
bagaimana nak belajar english secara berkesan?

- bercakap?
- byk membaca?
- tengok rancangan english?
- etc? etc?

dan kalau korang ada link2 yg best2 bo ...

yep... kalo nak improve, bykkan membaca, bercakap definitely... jgn malu kalau tak berapa fluent pada awalnya... yg penting kena cuba... lama2 dah biasa, kompiden tu akan dtg...

tengok rancangan english jgn plak p baca subtitle....

Originally posted by tictactoe at 28-7-2006 09:38 PM
sebagai permulaan,
nak tanya ni..
bagaimana nak belajar english secara berkesan?

- bercakap?
- byk membaca?
- tengok rancangan english?
- etc? etc?

dan kalau korang ada link2 yg best2 bo ...

I agree with most of the forummers. As with any language, u need to listen, speak and read the language. Another point is to THINK in english. I tell u this is what i did when i was learning the languuage. I came from the kampung where they teach english in Bahasa Melayu. I started late, when i was 13 in fact. Allow me to share my story if u dont mind.

The first thing i did was "read" the dictionary. Yes, kind of crazy but tht's what i did in the beginning. So tictactoe, get yourself a good dictionary. I suggest Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary. Not only a dictionary tells u the meaning of a word, it also teaches u how to pronounce it. So get hold of a good dictionary.

Next step is to learn the basic grammar. This is important as u do not want to speak broken english. No point if u have bombastic vocabulary but your grammar is haywire.

Then build ur confidence by talking to urself in english. U can start by thinking in english. Why not? Nak belajar jgn malu2.

Read english newspaper (the star, nst etc). It's not only cheap but easily understood. Then maybe u can take another step by reading english novels.

I'm very proud that u r willing to learn. Malu bertanya sesat di jalan. So ask away!

p/s : tgk tv pun membantu tapi cover subtitle tu. I find the subtitles are sometimes misinterpreted or literally translated and at most, distracting.

[ Last edited by  A380 at 29-7-2006 08:32 PM ]

Assalamualaikum,

Aku asalnya tak terror english sgt tp skrg alhamdulillah aku ckp very fluent english. I'm not telling this for being arrogant or showing off.never!. just wanna share to those who are needed. Aku masa sek pun tak suke sgt english tp Allah ada bg satu kelebihan kat aku iaitu aku boleh pronounce words very good, tu je lebe skit nak speaking jauh skali la. Masa kat uitm, walaupun aku tak terror sgt english tp member2 aku semue cop aku terror english maybe sbb bila aku baca english article aku bole bacan n pronounce dgn naik. Padahal nak speaking n my vocab at that time was bad. Tp, ada hikmah jugak bila org cop kite ni terror english, dah ramai sgt org ckp, maybe makbul kut. So, sepanjang aku kat uitm, any group presentations, akulah yg akan jd tukang ckp dan akulah akan jd group leader. From that time, i kept improving drastically. Before aku fly ke UK, aku mcm pembuka thread ni, obviously we understand english and the only prob is when we are going to reply to them, we would get stucked or we had to prepare sentences before we start to speak. That was me when the 1st n 2nd month i was in the UK. Bygkanlah, setiap kali nak ckp nak kene susun ayat!! tiap2 kali mcm ni mana bole tahan beb! So, UBAT die satu je nak terror speaking ni. Kite mesti berani ckp! Bila kita ada a lot of conversations, kat situ kita akan improve in term of vocabs, susunan ayat dan macam2 lg. So, tu je, u must be brave to speak n confident!. At the first stage, it doesnt matter right or wrong. Be confident, go and speak. As long as they understand the message that u are going to deliver, that's it.

Kalo u kat UK for instance, mcm2 accents org ckp english, so u dont need to speak english exactly like all the mat salleh speak! buat apa nak ikut accent die org. Kdg2 to be honest, mat salleh ckp english pun tak betul! Byk gak mat salleh yg pronounce tak ikut proper english for instance la.. ada mat salleh akan sebut 'bottle' sbg bott-el, lighter sbg light-er, later sbg late-er. Yes that's their own accent but that's not the right pronouncation. Tp org mat salleh yg educated die org akan pronounce betul2, takde mcm diatas.  Aku pernah bekerja, kat tmpt keje aku(department aku) tu ada 6 org english. Hanya 1 org yg ckp very very proper english(nama die en T). Pastu, aku ckp kat en T, your english is very good. Die ckp kat aku, yours too i understand your english perfectly compared to en D, en E dll. Pastu die tanya aku, ko paham tak others ckp? aku ckp kat die, aku tak paham sgt yg sorang ni ckp... Pastu en T ckp aku balik, bukan kau je tak paham, aku pun haram tak paham! Kite org tak paham sgt loghat die sbb he's got very very strong mancunian accent. Pasti en T bg tahu aku, UK ni mcm2 accents ada, mcm mesia gak la ada ganu, kelate, nogori dll. sama gak dgn uk, ada scousers, scottish, mancunian, cockney dll. Die org pun kdg2 tak paham apa org dari negeri lain ckp sbb loghat lain2. so kwn2 ku yg agak malu nak ckp, ckp je! lantak p la. Malaysian/singaporean punye english mmg sennag paham dan ramai mat salleh suka. Kdg2 kite plak yg ckp better dr die org.

So, yg boleh aku suggests:-
1) bykkan perbualan dlm bahasa english. kalo kat overseas tu make sure grab this opportunity to improve your english. Jgn g overseas, kwn2 semua melayu gak. bukan tanak kwn malay, tp pelbagaikan. Sbb, tmpt aku blaja kat UK dulu, mostly org malay nak blaja sesama malay je. aku je sorang yg kwn dgn international.

2) selalu practice sorang2, kalo tgh kayuh beskal ke ckpla english sorang2. bagus tu.(AKu selalu la merepek sorang time naik beskal g skool)

3) ttg vocab lak, kene byk baca la. tu tak dpt den nak menolong. baca paper pun ok, buku ke. aku tak suka baca buku, baca paper pun baca bola je, tp boleh je enhance kan vocab.

4) kalo tgk tv/movies tu, tgk subtitle. Byk gak boleh dpt kat situ.

InsyaAllah, aku doakan semoga sahabat2 ku berjaya. AKu mmg puji cara ko tictactoe. ko tak malu. so, there are no reasons u couldn't master in english!! all the best.

[ Last edited by  norelle at 30-7-2006 09:54 AM ]

matakucing

norelle
wah baguslah ko punya nasihat dan cara ko pratikkan BI tu...
rasa tak tertekan bila kita pk camtu kan...

tictactoe

(if i use english wrongly in my writing here in this forum, please correct me. TQ)

cikgu2 sekalian,
this is yoyr first task. hik hik.

i posted this question (in red font) to one of the forum in internet. so, i need your help to check it whether it is correct or not. TQ.

hi.

i need help. i thinking about conduct a survey to internal clients (members of the organisation) on their level of satisfaction of the company. this include the job satisfaction, reward programme, service delivery among staffs etc etc.

do u have a sample of the questions to be asked in the survey?

Thank you very much!

apg

tictactoe

"i thinking about conduct a survey to ..."

The right sentence should be " I am thinking about conducting a survey for ..."

TipinTakTipu

"this include the job satisfaction"

should be
This includes (with 's')....... This (does)

Kalau
These (plural) include
(That includes... those include)

Contoh lain simple present tense
This particular problem drives me crazy... (Satu masalah)
These photos remind me of her...(bukan reminds sbb merujuk kepada plural..these (banyak)

Kena tambah s selepas verb (kata kerja).