special case in English???

DewArjuna

nak tanya ni...

slalu aku nampak kat doorstep kedai-kedai ada notice "WE ARE OPEN"....adakah betul grammar dia tu:hmm:...aku tgk mcm sumthing wrong aje...adakah sentense tu tergolong dlm special case????....


p/s: best jugak board ni...my first time...:hatdown:

[ Last edited by  seribulan at 14-5-2006 08:04 PM ]

seribulan

welkam, boleh la tu...we are open = kami dibuka...as opposed
to we are close...special case utk gantung informasi...to inform...
taim tu kedai masih dibuka...

satu lagik stail we are opened or we are closed...well, dats another
matter or rule...

[ Last edited by  seribulan at 14-5-2006 08:27 PM ]

DewArjuna

Originally posted by seribulan at 14-5-2006 08:07 PM
welkam, boleh la tu...we are open = kami dibuka...as opposed
to we are close...special case utk gantung informasi...to inform...
taim tu kedai masih dibuka...

satu lagik stail we are opened or ...

of course lah open is opposed kepada close....masalahnya sekarang berkaitan grammatical case... why not they use WE OPEN, WE CLOSE without add an ARE...

DewArjuna

these are real special cases...

an honour
an hour
a unique

p/s : kalau ada yg tertinggal, dptlah kiranya u all tambah...kekeke:love:

DewArjuna

Originally posted by seribulan at 14-5-2006 08:07 PM
welkam, boleh la tu...we are open = kami dibuka...as opposed
to we are close...special case utk gantung informasi...to inform...
taim tu kedai masih dibuka...

satu lagik stail we are opened or ...

WE ARE OPEN bukan bermaksud KAMI DIBUKA rasanya...

tp KAMI BUKA....betulkan jika i tersilap...kekeke

DewArjuna

aku pernah beberapa kali tgk notice camni kat shopping compleks....paling mencurigakan, premise tersebut merupakan gedung termasyur menjual pelbagai jenisbuku-buku.....:

WE WILL BE OPENED ON BLABLABLAAA....

seribulan

WE ARE OPEN bukan bermaksud KAMI DIBUKA rasanya...

tp KAMI BUKA....betulkan jika i tersilap...kekeke

>>>>>>>>>Jika nak ikut betul2 camtu卥ami buka = we open匸/color]

Do read carefully my explanation above卼q

DewArjuna

[quote]Originally posted by seribulan at 24-5-2006 01:27 PM

WE WILL BE OPENED ON卋etullah ni卻ebab kedai itu hanya
akan dibuka waktu tertentu shj

kueh

an honor vs a house
an umbrella vs a university

ini berkaitan ngan penggunaan article. in english 'a/an' merujuk kepada 'satu' tetapi yg mbezakan 'a' dan 'an' ialah pada awalan perkataan yg bakal digunakan.

'a' digunakan pada BUNYI konsonan dan 'an' digunakan pada BUNYI vowel i.e. A,E,I,O,U (BUNYI bukannya EJAAN).

dlm 'honor', BUNYI 'h' adalah disilentkan maka 'honor' tu diBUNYIkan dgn vowel 'a', maka 'an' digunakan.
tp dlm pktaan 'house', BUNYI 'h' adalah visible, maka 'a' digunakan.

pkataan 'umbrella' lak, wlaupun diEJA ngan awalan 'u' tp BUNYInya dh jadi 'a'. maka 'an'  digunakan.
tp dlm EJAAN 'university', awalan 'u' diBUNYIkan sbg 'yu', maka 'a' digunakan.

redsinner

grammatically, all the sentences seemed right.
i am no english guru but for as long as i've been using english its right for us to say:

WE ARE OPEN
it is the simple  present tense that shows customers that the shop is currently opened.

WE WILL BE OPENED
future tense that tentatively show the date of when the shop will be opened.

actually, i also came across an article that says it depends on the regularity usage of the phrase. sometimes, we tend to use more of what we comfortable with rather than to what is opposed in the  book.

my 10cents....correct me if i'm wrong ;)

fairy_hobbit

Originally posted by seribulan at 14-5-2006 08:07 PM
welkam, boleh la tu...we are open = kami dibuka...as opposed
to we are close...special case utk gantung informasi...to inform...
taim tu kedai masih dibuka...

satu lagik stail we are opened or we are closed...well, dats another
matter or rule...

now i'm confused... bg tujuan papan tanda ni, bila masa nak kata we are open n bila masa nak kata we are opened?

adakahbezanya  sebab satu melibatkan verb n lagi satu melibatkan adjective?

kueh

WE ARE OPEN
it is the simple  present tense that shows customers that the shop is currently opened.

WE WILL BE OPENED
future tense that tentatively show the date of when the shop will be opened.

yep.

we r open = tunjukan kedai tu tgh dibuka

we will be openend = kedai tu akan dibuka pada pukul berapa

we open = not favor to b used pasal ini biasa dikaitkan dgn perbuatan i.e. we open d door etc.

sape2 kalu salah tlg betulkan sama ek.

seribulan

We are opened, usually followed by the time frame...e.g. We are opened on Mondays to Fridays...

fairy_hobbit

so we are open and fullstop la kiranya.

whereas we are opened from....... to............

ok... i understand now.

RedAlert

Just something to share

1. In the phrase "we are open everyday ", 'open' is an adjective.

2. In "we are opened everyday", 'open' is a verb.

3. "We open from ...." is also commonly used ... I think 'open' here is a verb.

As far as I know, all the three above are acceptable (I googled actually... . Just type the phrase in inverted commas e.g. "we are open" to see how it is used...)

[ Last edited by  RedAlert at 16-8-2006 08:49 PM ]

fairy_hobbit

this reasoning suits my initial understanding (verb v adjective) plak... hmmmmm....

seribulan

I can see where u r both getting at...u r talking about the general functions related to the word...

while...

I was explaining limitedly to answering the thread opener's inquiry-

"slalu aku nampak kat doorstep kedai-kedai ada notice "WE ARE OPEN"...

so my answer was based on discussing that CONTEXT to the hanging or display of the word OPEN at the entrance of the shops...

Thank, guys...

DewArjuna

Originally posted by seribulan at 17-8-2006 07:07 AM
I can see where u r both getting at...u r talking about the general functions related to the word...

while...

I was explaining limitedly to answering the thread opener's inquiry-

"sla ...

camner pulak dengan kesilapan yg diboldkan di atas seri?...i tak fikir ia betul dari segi grammatical...:nerd: maaf sekadar pembetulan sahaja...:love:

p/s: in answering atau to answer saya lebih prefer...

DewArjuna

Originally posted by kueh at 14-8-2006 01:10 AM


yep.

we r open = tunjukan kedai tu tgh dibuka

we will be openend = kedai tu akan dibuka pada pukul berapa

we open = not favor to b used pasal ini biasa dikaitkan dgn perbuatan i.e. we ...

yg merah di atas tu saya tak berapa setuju...:nerd: apa kata gantikan dgn IT atau THIS SHOP/PREMISE WILL....

[ Last edited by  DewArjuna at 25-9-2006 12:29 PM ]

seribulan

Originally posted by DewArjuna at 25-9-2006 12:22 PM


camner pulak dengan kesilapan yg diboldkan di atas seri?...i tak fikir ia betul dari segi grammatical...:nerd: maaf sekadar pembetulan sahaja...:love:

p/s: in answering atau to answer saya l ...

limitedly to answering...since it is a gerund...it is acceptable...
fahami konteks or semantik frasa itu...