Science Perspective: World's Creation According to Bible

greekgod

In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful.

Bible contradicts its own contents, and not to say, the modern science.
Let us start to examine from the very first chapter and first verse.
I shall therefore, discuss the masterpiece of inaccuracy from a scientific
point of view.

Aaa.. please open your KJV (other version should work well, too.. i think)

Genesis
Chapter 1
Verses 1 & 2


1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.


It is quite possible to admit that before the creation of the earth what was to become the universe as we know it was covered in darkness to mention the existence of water at this period is however quite simply pure allegory. Because we all know, from modern science that the initial stage of formation of this universe are from gaseous mass. It is EXTREMELY ERRORNEOUS to place water in it.

Verses 3 to 5


1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.


The light circulating in the universe is the result of complex reactions in the stars. But, at this stage of creation, however, according to the bible, the stars were not yet formed. The 'lights' of the firmament are not mentioned in genesis until verse 14, when they were created on the fourth day, as to separate the day from the night, and to give light upon earth, all of which to be accurate.

It is illogical however, to mention the result (light) on the first day, when the cause of the light was created three days later, the fact that the existence of evening and morning is placed on the first day moreover, purely allegorical, the existence of evening and morning as elements of a single day is only conceiveable after the creation of the earth and its rotation under the light of its own star: that is the sun!

Verses 6 to 8


1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.


The myth of the waters is continued here with  their separation into two layers by a firmament that in the description of the flood allows the waters above to pass through and flow onto the earth. This image of the division of the waters into two masses is scientifically unacceptable.

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Verses 9 to 13


1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.


The fact that continents emerged at the period in the earth's history, when it was still covered with water, is quite acceptable scientically. What is totally untenable is that a highly organised vegetable kingdom with the reproduction by seed could have appeared before the existence of sun (again in genesis, it does not appear until the fourth day), and likewise the establishment of alternating nights and days.

Verses 14 to 19


1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.


Here, the Biblical author's description is acceptable. The only critism one could level at this passage is the position it occupies in the description as a whole. Earth and moon emanated, as we know, from their original star, the sun. To place the creation of the sun and moon after the creation of earth is contrary to the most firmly established ideas on the formation of the elements of the solar system.

Verses 20 to 23

1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.


This passage contains assertions which are unacceptable!

According to Genesis, the animal kingdom began the appearance of creatures of the sea ang winged birds. The Biblical description informs us that is was not until the next day - as we shall see in the following verses - that the earth itself was populated by animals.

It is certain that the origins of life came from the sea. From the sea, earth was colonized, as it were, by animal kingdom. It is from animals living on the surface of earth, and in particular from one species of reptile which lived in the second era, that it is thought the birds originated numerous biological characteristics common to both species make this deduction possible.

The beasts of the earth are not however mentioned until the sixth day in genesis, after the appearance of the birds. This order of appearance, beasts of the earth after birds, is NOT therefore acceptable.

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Verses 24 to 31

1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.


This is the description of the culmination of the creation. The author lists all the living creatures not mentioned before and describes the various kinds of food for man and beast.

As we have seen, the error was to place the appearance of beasts of the earth after that of the birds. Man's appearance is however correctly situated after the other species of living things. The description of the creation finishes in the first three verses of chapter 2:


2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.


This description of the seventh day calls for some comment.

Firstly, the meaning of certain words. The word 'host' signifies here, in all probability, the multitude of beings created. As for the expression 'he rested', it is a manner of translating the Hebrew word 'shabbath', from which the Jewish day for rest is derived, hence the expression in English 'sabbath'.

It is quite clear that 'rest' that God is said to have taken after his six day's work is a legend! There is nevertheless an explanation for this.


As everyone can read above, these show clearly that Bible contradicts today's science and world creation in specific.

I do not, however to expect Debmey, NightLord, Me or anyone else to answer, but should anyone wants to answer, please provide proof, or you will be evidently stuck here, as I am to find more and more contradictions of Biblical events against science.

Till then, enjoy your reading everyone.

Should any further enquries for personal answer arises, please dont hesitate to PM me, and i'll see what I can do (with Allah's permission, InsyaALLAH).

Debmey

URL please.

BTW, don't you know that the BBT itself violates physical laws?
I have never met a scientist who can reconcile BBT with physics. So why is a Muslims standing by the BBT?
You sure you wanna debate on this with me? Be careful now. I teach this stuff.

cheers

greekgod

Originally posted by Debmey at 25-1-2005 09:22 AM:
URL please.

BTW, don't you know that the BBT itself violates physical laws?
I have never met a scientist who can reconcile BBT with physics. So why is a Muslims standing by the BBT?
You sure  ...

SOS: What is URL for.. and what is BBT?

Well.. if bible comes from god...
then, it should have fulfilled so many laws.

im not sure what to answer, because i do not know BBT. But, im please, if you can teach us here about science according to bible.

Because, if possible, i will present few names of researchers who had later convicted that bible is nothing more, than just a fairytale interpolation!

i think... i should read the bible now, since i found another calamity. therefore, i can present this mannerly (with facts, of course)...

so debmey, probably you want to present your answer here.. please, learn to write article before posting, because i only accept good article to keep into my collection..

till then dear!

Debmey

You don't know what is BBT and you dare post this article in challenge of the Bible on a forum? Aren't you telling us that you don't even know what you pasted? What a loser!

I'll tell you what. Why don't you invite any of those big time scientists whom you claim to dispel Genesis and get them to debate me here. I have never lost a debate with any of these so called scientists. I'm ready anytime, anywhere. No lightweights & cut and paste artists like you please. Witness with your own eyes how I handle all these scientists.

cheers

ashna

what is BBT?
why don't you you just answer greekgod's question on what is BBT?
you don;t know what it is as well?

vixen

BBT is an acronym for Big Bang Theory.

Debmey

So where are the scientists?

ashna

Originally posted by Debmey at 26-1-2005 09:07 AM:
So where are the scientists?

what is BBT?
please answer.

Debmey

ashan cannot read? muslism stuck again even when challeneging the Bible?

ashna

Originally posted by Debmey at 26-1-2005 09:55 AM:
ashan cannot read? muslism stuck again even when challeneging the Bible?

what is BBT?
can you answer it yourself?
you don;t know what is BBT?

Debmey

can't yu read the thread yourself? You don't know how to read? Then how yu debate?

ashna

Originally posted by Debmey at 26-1-2005 10:12 AM:
can't yu read the thread yourself? You don't know how to read? Then how yu debate?

what is BBT?
you don't know what is BBT?
how come you don't know?

greekgod

Originally posted by Debmey at 25-1-2005 05:53 PM:
You don't know what is BBT and you dare post this article in challenge of the Bible on a forum? Aren't you telling us that you don't even know what you pasted? What a loser!

I'll tell y ...

wow... sorry dude... in quran, we dont use short term like that.. even when im in college, not any single person use the word BBT, but we have BBS.

well.. you are kinda super-flame here...

but, why dont you answer my article appropriately?
do i have to invite everybody to come here, then you will answer,
it will take a lot of effort to do...

so, at the mean time, why dont you prove my article is totally wrong.... really want to hear something...

whatever you want to say... im any kind of artist, but, it is better if you lookup for yourself..

if you really do not have answer... then let me add one more thing...

later i will prove, authenticity of BIBLE, using this mantic:

1. God - superbeing - should be perfect.
2. God sent to earth, book.
3. Because god is perfect, therefore, the book should be perfect.

Proving bottom-up:

1. Because god is perfect, therefore, the book should be perfect.
2. Book sent to earth by god, have errant (imperfect).
3. God - superbeing - is imperfect!

Wait... and i will show you, what kind of artist i am.....

I think, as far as i have read previoud thread, most people do not give you fact and concrete example... Now, prepare for yourself... Because, I love to work on fact and logic!

See ya.. til then.... Keep on reading your bible? Which version do you read eh?

Debmey

How can i debate you when you don't even know what you pasted? And if you don't know the content of the article, why did you paste it? Aren't you an intellectual hypocrite?

Thats why i want you to bring those scientists here, I'll show you how they can never justify their claims with science. Easy isn't it?

Where are your so called scientists?

greekgod

really like to add one more thing...

what i had posted above, one single person, who learn logic, and when i walk through the article, we see and can point out, what happened from day one to day seven.

having to the big bang theory, will add more.. that's why i did not elaborate about the gaseous mass, and the formation of sun...

this will help, those who do not want to know too many science to read this...

but, as you insist to prove this from the point of big bang theory (bbt) or whatsoever, i hope you will take the burden now, and post for us here.. so all of us can see, you understanding about those things..

ps: im not astrological or any space physic interest person, but i dont mind to learn... my field? computer engineering.. so, dont expect me to elaborate too long.. because, when i do so.. you wont be able to read all the messes....

see ya, debmey.. dont just invite other person, because you want to hide yourself.. im putting more flame here... sorry.. (who care!)

greekgod

hahaha.. post your article to claim otherwise...
see. you dont have point... dont just justify people like that ok...
so many had read this thread.. and they are waiting for you to put something useful..

i probably cannot ask every of my friend to come here...

as you can see, i never promoting islam here.. because what do i do?
i make the christian like you to confuse with your own belief!!!

it would be very, VERY interesting if you can 'teach' us here...

well.. still waiting.... still waiting.. still waiting.. the clock is ticking!

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Debmey

Nope, I have done my homework. The Bible is scientific, the Big Bang Theory isn't. I am very sure that the Bible is correct, not the BBT.

Anyone who tries to prove that the BBT is science will put himself into an impossible position from start to end. Dare to try?

greekgod

Originally posted by Debmey at 26-1-2005 06:11 AM:
Nope, I have done my homework. The Bible is scientific, the Big Bang Theory isn't. I am very sure that the Bible is correct, not the BBT.

Anyone who tries to prove that the BBT is scien ...

wooow.. really? :tq:

ok.. gimme time to read bible again..
sorry, it isnt my holy book, so i only read it on and off..

shall post something useful...

i would accept every challenges i have, and i treat it as a new knowledge
:hatdown: