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Well... So it's not matter of what its religion right..
Are these what you are thinking?
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As long as according to individual own religion, that's enough. Because all religions its origins is to teach people to be good and kind. If a man really follow what is in the religion's teachings and not go astray, it's good right..
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As long as a person is doing very good things to other mankind, have mercy and love enough to the neighbours, practicing as much good deeds as possible. He/she will get God's blessing.
Even that a free thinker practices all these meritorious and righteous acts, he/she can receive blessing from God.
Supposed that we follow our own religion. Anyhow, they are many contradicts between religions themselves. Avoid me to put these example here, as we do know their basic differences. So, at last, the wrong practicers or who follow wrong religions will get judged and punished. But, in your writing, other religions no need to follow God's commandments and Moses' Laws. Are you guiding them amiss, since God will judge those who don't follow? |
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by Sam2012
As long as according to individual own religion, that's enough. Because all religions its origins is to teach people to be good and kind. If a man really follow what is in the religion's teachings and not go astray, it's good right.
But how many people (or races) can actually say that they are following their religion properly? Christians could say that they follow their Christianity properly, yet they wage war for the past 500 years, cause Communism and Capitalism to form, help to assure Apatheid and abuse toward woman and many more sinful activities. Is this part of Christianity?
I'm sorry to say this but religions which we have now (especially Christianity and Islam) have FAILED Mankind. You can even find corruption in Hinduism and Buddhism where ignorant practise as well as atheism have found it's way in.
My statement could sound shocking to you but to Hindus and Buddhists, it is not. In Bhavagad Gita, Shri Krishna already mentioned that Dharma (Truth) will be corrupted and He will come to set things straight. In Buddhism, Buddhists are waiting for Maitreya Buddha to reteach the lessons which Gautama Buddha had taught Mankind 2,500 years ago.
As long as a person is doing very good things to other mankind, have mercy and love enough to the neighbours, practicing as much good deeds as possible. He/she will get God's blessing.
Even that a free thinker practices all these meritorious and righteous acts, he/she can receive blessing from God.
Yes, this could be my stand on the matter. I believe that God judges Mankind not by what religion which he follows but on how Man behave and performs in this World. Which means that Religion are mere a tool to guide Mankind but it can be thrown away if the teachings have become corrupted and unable to push Mankind toward God. And we can know whether Mankind is moving toward God or not through the way we live and the progress (in peace, science and technology, as well as in relationship between Man) we are making in the World.
Also, IF you examine carefully the teachings of most religions, it revolves around how Man should behave with himself, with his family, with his neighbours and in the society in general. Judaims teaches this, so does Hinduism and Buddhism, as well as Taoism, Zen Buddhism and other religions like Shintoism. It is all about LIVING, Not Daydreaming about Heaven and Hell. |
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All these corruption and evil practices happening among many (i not use all) people from various streams of religions I can notice that as well as you see it. If you are really mourning over the corruption of the earth and hope for a better, it's very good. At least it's fine to say you don't love this world which most of it is full with corruption, because for people love this world, their hearts have no more space for God.
How do you prove that those who do so much righteous and good things are jugded as according to the godly men / how to prove such person is judged 'nicely' by God?
Or all of these thinking are merely from your own point of view and conceptual thinking (different with God's point of view) ? How to prove your saying is true?
At this very end of the age, there will be many false prophets, as prophesied. Do you know what are prophesies?
Don't you know that all these things happens as that they were prophesied? |
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by Sam2012
At least it's fine to say you don't love this world which most of it is full with corruption, because for people love this world, their hearts have no more space for God.
Actually, I disagree. I love this World - but I do not love the Worldly pleasures. I love it's people, laughter of children, the green meadows, deep blue sea and sky and many things. I love this World and I have a lot of space for God.
And God loves this World as well, which is why He had incarnated as Avatars in Hinduism or send sages, saints and teachers like Gautama Buddha to this World - not to save Mankind but to teach them on how to live properly.
It is my opinion that the first corruption in a Man occurs when his heart has no love for the World. When he does not love the World, he will not have love for anything else - his fellow Man, family, land, beautiful World, Arts, Music and so much more. He has nothing he could love, for his heart is hollow. Then tell me - How could a man like this love God when his heart is Hollow?
How do you prove that those who do so much righteous and good things are jugded as according to the godly men / how to prove such person is judged 'nicely' by God?
Can you proof that all those men who believe in Jesus are now in heaven, shaking their legs somewhere? Can any Muslim prove that those who committed suicide in name of Allah is now enjoying themselves in heaven with their price of 72 virgins? Proof these first, before you can ask someone else to prove to you.
Don't you know that all these things happens as that they were prophesied?
Actually no. They prophesied it as they were predicted before. Take the Mayan Calendar for example. The Mayans themselves kept saying that the World doesn't end in 2012, merely renewed but Christians themselves are beating the drum, proclaiming loudly that the World will end as predicted by Mayan Calendar. Why? because the Christans are arrogant ba$tards who doesn't respect anyone else. And since they have no respect to others, they fall victim to skrewed characters who comes to sell "prophesies" in name of Jesus.
The "prophecy" I have told are not something which is new. Coming of Maitreya Buddha have already told over 2,500 years ago - before Jesus walked the Earth. The coming of Kalki was told by Shri Krishna in Bhavagad Gita over 5,000 years ago. There is no further prophesy required except for this two. |
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Accept him within you ... last time I check, that is how a Parasitic Infestion starts. You allow a parasite to take over your body, allowing your immune system to "give way". Slowly the Parasite make you do crazy things (including things which makes no sense) and finally, it kills you when you are no longer required.
Are you sure that you are worshipping God or some sort of parasitic life form in the name of Jesus Christ? 
Sephiroth Post at 24-5-2012 12:25 
My dear friend, what I said is the thought of The Book. And what you said is your thought by yourself.
Many people think that he can live by himself and can do a big thing in the world and so that they think they can live without God. But when you are aging, you will find that human can do nothing and even that they are nothing and vanity. Let me tell you the truth: we are hopeless in the world, because the world is vanity and hopeless. This is the fact of this world. If there is somebody we can thrust with, what blessing we are?
We Christian do not think that God dwelling within us as parasitic, but is blessing, because we have no fear event if we pass through the death valley for he is with us and even within us to comfort us. What a blessing if The Almighty is with us, even dwelling within us as a comforter. No body can comfort us when we are facing troubles, except the Almighty, because He is dwelling within us, thus He can understand everything in us. People those with us are only outwardly, so what they understand are limited. Only The One who is dwelling within us can understand everything and can give us true comfort. |
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by freeman_long
we are hopeless in the world, ...
No Sir, only one hopeless here is YOU (Christians). You have created a large hole in your heart where God supposed to be by :
1. Believing that God is dead / had died. A total Blasphemy.
2. Believing that the World is Evil and must be discarded.
3. Believing that living in the World = committing Sin.
4. Believing that you need something like Jesus to save your sorry a$$.
This is why Christians are the most vurneable people who fall easily of Atheism. |
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Dear Sephiroth,
Excuse me if I didn’t make my point clear, ‘do not love the world’ here actually meant that we should not indulge in the corruption part – luxury, authority, power, enjoying life with those corrupted activities.
I sense that you are indeed a God seeker, just that you may think twice on certain matters:
Two possibilities here:
If bible is true: all people don’t believe it will be the hopeless ones.
But if the bible is the facts, why God let those not believe in bible (Muslim, Buddists, Hindist,..) receive their punishment ? To know this answer, you must be first able to explain the below.
If bible is not true, please explain those facts:
1. Scientists found no faults or could not confirm it’s in faults in the bible for its historical events being recorded (country names, activities, incidents). Even scientists proof its trustworthy, and the only book recorded in bible in this world.
2. Over hundreds of prophesies in the bible being fulfilled. If it’s not a book written by God, how can all these be fulfilled accurately, definitely it’s not by chance?
3. In bible, scientific knowledge recorded before scientists discover them one by one a few thousands years later.
God wants to prove to us His words, through bible is right.
If we think all these just happen by chance, or the bible just a book teaching people moral only(ignoring its other trustworthy facts – not 100% follow). Then we will sure to have many many different answers to religious view, there will be no ending, even can be mixed with philosophical views. |
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by freeman_long
we are hopeless in the world, ...
No Sir, only one hopeless here is YOU (Christians). You have created a large hole in your heart where God supposed to be by :
1. Believing that God is dead / had died. A total Blasphemy.
2. Believing that the World is Evil and must be discarded.
3. Believing that living in the World = committing Sin.
4. Believing that you need something like Jesus to save your sorry a$$.
This is why Christians are the most vurneable people who fall easily of Atheism.
Sephiroth Post at 31-5-2012 09:45
My dear friend,
"We are hopeless in the world" because this world is hopeless, even many scientist ever said so. According to The Book (1John2:17), this world is not only hopeless, and even passing away, because it is full of lust and unrighteousness. If you are working, you will fully agree with this.
1John2:17
And the world is passing away, and its lust, but he who does the will of God abides forever.
But praise the Lord, although we are hopeless in the world, but we are not hopeless in Christ, because Christ our Lord is our hope of glory (Col. 1:27), the lot of our eternal blessing (Dan. 12:13), the reign with Christ in the millennium (Rev. 20:4, 6), and the reward of the resurrection of the just (Luke 14:14). All these hopes are connected to our resurrection. |
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by Sam2012
Excuse me if I didn’t make my point clear, ‘do not love the world’ here actually meant that we should not indulge in the corruption part – luxury, authority, power, enjoying life with those corrupted activities.
Christians are bloody HYPCRITES. 
There is no Christian nation on the planet where the Christians do not indulge in the corruption. But they talk like a saint - perfect example of Evil and Corruption on the planet.
It is from Christian nations comes pornography (which begins to spread to the East for the past 30 years), Capitalism, Communism and many more form of Evil - ALL WITH INTENTION OF INDULGING THE WORLDLY AFFAIR.
The different between us (non-Christians) and you (Christians) are - we do not behave like a freaking hypocrites. We do not tell ourselves or others not to indulge in the Worldly affairs. We do ask others to indulge - but we also teach them to take responsibility for their actions and maturity in their approach (to Worldly matters).
But you hypocrites are so damn lazy that you indulge in the Worldly affairs without sense of responsiblity and when we ask you to be mature and responble for your actions, you create the most irresponsible answer we could ever hear - That you not supposed to indulge in worldly affairs and that your pathetic god, Jesus had died for you pathetic fools and therefore, you can be irresponsible. YOU ARE AN EXAMPLE OF EVIL AND CORRUPTION.  |
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by freeman_long
My dear friend,
"We are hopeless in the world" because this world is hopeless, even many scientist ever said so. According to The Book (1John2:17), this world is not only hopeless, and even passing away, because it is full of lust and unrighteousness. If you are working, you will fully agree with this.
Bull$hit.
If you think this World is full of lust and unrighteousness and you so damn saintly, GO HANG YOURSELF. At least, the World could be gotten rid off one fool. |
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Bull$hit.
If you think this World is full of lust and unrighteousness and you so damn saintly, GO HANG YOURSELF. At least, the World could be gotten rid off one fool. 
Sephiroth Post at 4-6-2012 11:42
What I told you is revealed in The Book and surely would happen when time's up, my dear friend.
Let me ask you a question: if a company is going to be bankrupted, is there any people still willing to invest?
Although the world is passing away, but we Christian still living in this world, so we have to work hard, study hard, to waiting for our Lord's coming back. When He comes back, this world would be passed away, and lead in the kingdom of Lord Jesus Christ forever. This world is temporary and is passing away, but the kingdom of our Lord Jesus Christ is lasted forever. |
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by freeman_long
Let me ask you a question: if a company is going to be bankrupted, is there any people still willing to invest?
If you check the reasons for a company going bankrupt, you will notice that in most cases, it is because the MANAGEMENT was fault in making decision. Which means they did not make the right decision and bring the company to a prospers situation.
Same thing with the World. IF you say it is full of lust, injustice and unrighteousness, then it is because of humans (or certain religious followers) who made it in such way. Frankly speaking, if you want to leave this World and daydream of Heaven, GO RIGHT AHEAD. The World doesn't need you (Christians).
This world is temporary and is passing away, but the kingdom of our Lord Jesus Christ is lasted forever.
A daydream of a drug-addict.
Good for you ... keep dreaming of your Jesus and waste your life. I have no problem with that.  |
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I'm here to urge you believe the Scriptures, the facts and the prophecies. Of course, God will judge individually at the end for who are the devils.
Two possibilities here:
If bible is true: all people don’t believe it will be the hopeless ones.
But if the bible is the facts, why God let those not believe in bible (Muslim, Buddists, Hindist,..) receive their punishment ? To know this answer, you must be first able to explain the below.
If bible is not true, please explain those facts:
1. Scientists found no faults or could not confirm it’s in faults in the bible for its historical events being recorded (country names, activities, incidents). Even scientists proof its trustworthy, and the only book recorded in bible in this world.
2. Over hundreds of prophesies in the bible being fulfilled. If it’s not a book written by God, how can all these be fulfilled accurately, definitely it’s not by chance?
3. In bible, scientific knowledge recorded before scientists discover them one by one a few thousands years later.
God wants to prove to us His words, through bible is right.
If we think all these just happen by chance, or the bible just a book teaching people moral only(ignoring its other trustworthy facts – not 100% follow). Then we will sure to have many many different answers to religious view, there will be no ending, even can be mixed with philosophical views.
If you really can explain those prophesies fulfilling, please then read and believe it. |
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by Sam2012
God wants to prove to us His words, through bible is right.
God have to "prove" his word? Last time I check, God have to do $hit. If He wants someone to believe in Him, all He had to do is make that person believe - simple as that. He doesn't have to prove anything to anyone, especially humans.
Matter a fact, throughout the Bible, the one who actually "try" to prove anything was Satan (not God). He tried to prove that his words are true to Adam and Eve, then to Moses and Abraham and eventually to Jesus through the temptation in the desert. God didn't had to prove anything. He called Moses up to Mt. Sinai, shove the Ten Commandment to Moses and tell him to go and follow. No need to prove anything.
So, bub ... Go and think properly if what you are following is truly God or something that trying to deceive Mankind as it had always done. |
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No matter how you twist the fact - "Only Satan need to prove his words", this has nothing to support this point (tell us if this sentence has something to support).
These facts as below, are to prove God's words :
1. Scientists found no faults or could not confirm it’s in faults in the bible for its historical events being recorded (country names, activities, incidents). Even scientists proof its trustworthy, and the only book recorded in bible in this world.
2. Over hundreds of prophesies in the bible being fulfilled. If it’s not a book written by God, how can all these be fulfilled accurately, definitely it’s not by chance?
3. In bible, scientific knowledge recorded before scientists discover them one by one a few thousands years later.
How are you going to deny all these facts that had been proven?
Isn't that Bible prove and testify god himself, through the facts above(though it's not merely through the above facts, but still many others)?
Please don't deny bible, because it's true. |
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by Sam2012
No matter how you twist the fact - "Only Satan need to prove his words", this has nothing to support this point (tell us if this sentence has something to support).
Is this a funny statement (those which I had underline)?
You claim that I have twisted the "fact", yet you ask me to "prove" my statement. Why could you ask for proof if you are so convinced that I have twisted facts?
Answer - BECAUSE YOU KNOW I SPEAK THE TRUTH. YOU KNOW IT IN YOUR HEART AND THAT IS PROOF BY ITSELF.
How are you going to deny all these facts that had been proven?
I deny nothing because I do not see any proof, only daydreams of a drug addict who follows a false god (Jesus).
Please don't deny bible, because it's true.
What true is this :- Christians (through Christianity) had committed more Sins on this Planet for the past 1,500 years (50% of that sins comes from the past 50 years btw) THAN non-Christians (except Muslims and those of middle-east) had done in the past 20,000 years. THAT IS FACT. |
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'you see no proof from the bible' , how come?
And i ask you to believe bible over and over again because:
1. Scientists found no faults or could not confirm it’s in faults in the bible for its historical events being recorded (country names, activities, incidents). Even scientists proof its trustworthy, and the only book recorded in bible in this world.
2. Over hundreds of prophesies in the bible being fulfilled. If it’s not a book written by God, how can all these be fulfilled accurately, definitely it’s not by chance?
3. In bible, scientific knowledge recorded before scientists discover them one by one a few thousands years later.
You say that you dint see proof from all of these, so you dont believe in Bible. Actually all the above facts had been proven by scientists.
Is that you not only don't believe in bible, but also not believe in Science?
You are kept talking about all the bad things, but can you now look at the trustworthy of the bible?
If you really ignore Science, Bible, Then you will sure continue to plainly talk bad about religions, there will be no ending, even can be mixed with philosophical views. |
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by Sam2012
You say that you dint see proof from all of these, so you dont believe in Bible. Actually all the above facts had been proven by scientists.
Do you know how many scientists in the West which actually rejected Christianity? Want me to show you a list? There is nothing "Scientific" about some guy dying for you.
I do not see any "proof" from the Bible because it is a false book, and Christianity is a false religion. That alone is fact. |
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Those who are arrogant will always boast themselves that they can do anything through human's wisdom, thus they deny God's existence, and not to our surprise that there's a few who don't believe God's work.
Job26:7 [He spreads out the northern skies over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing.]
The above verse from bible is telling that the earth is suspended in space, nowadays this is a very common knowledge. But was this fact something the ancient people, 3500years ago could imagine of? Moreover, they had many imagination about the earth being hung with. Only untill 17th century, Scientists proved this fact written 3500years ago in the bible.
Isn't that bible tells the facts?
Isn't that bible precedes human knowledge?
If there's not God's words in the bible, how can bible tell exactly as what the truth is?
If this is the only one matching fact, you ll say it's coincident, but not only this one, there are still many others. Do all this not enough for us to say bible tells the truth? |
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by Sam2012
Job26:7 [He spreads out the northern skies over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing.]
The above verse from bible is telling that the earth is suspended in space, nowadays this is a very common knowledge.
Suspended means stationary (not moving) and dangling over something. Earth is not dangling over anything. This phase came in an age where many Middle-Easterns believed that the World was stationary and that the Sun was the one moving around the Planet. This idiotic concept continued to the time when Gailieo was alive and was burnt for stating that it is the Sun which was stationary (fixed in one position) and that the Earth was moving around it.
Common knowledge my a$$.
Isn't that bible precedes human knowledge?
It is an illusionary belief among Christians that everyone who lived before the Bible (that's some 3,000 years ago when Moses came out of the Egypt) were stupid, lived in a cave, eat raw meat and didn't know what civilization is.
That is why till today, Westerners (especially Christians) have hard time accepting that it was Chinese who invented Paper (and used it as toilet paper when Marco Polo arrive in China), Indians who created the advance Maths we use today and it was both this civilizations which actually provided up to 90% of everything we have today. |
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Post time 30-5-2012 12:59 PM
