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Apa significantnya 2/3 majority dlm dewan? 51% dah cukup?

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Post time 11-3-2008 02:14 AM | Show all posts |Read mode
Aku pernah terbaca dulu... dan tadi kat channel 502 Bernama News, Helo Malaysia hosted by Dr Zuraidah Atan with guest sorang pensyarah Law from Uitm.. discussed abt this..

that prof said bill for certain area like for eg economy, security etc etc, boleh diluluskan just by getting vote Yes from 51% of ahli parlimen/rakyat yang HADIR..
but still ada setengah2 case yg perlukan 2/3 and even to malis raja2 approval.. but for normal bills yg melibatkan our daily life, akta2 and bills hanya perlu kelulusan 51% dr adun/mp yg hadir je..

so, mcmana kejayaan prevent BN dpt 2/3 dapat digunakan utk manfaatkan rakyat kalau BN masih boleh luluskan sesuka hati dgn hanya 51%?

atau teori ini diada2kan? but prof tu stated skali akta2 number nya..

sesapa yg ada knowledge abt this or in constitutional law? or any of us pls share yur opinion so that we yang tak clear abt this tau apa yg boleh adun and mp perjuangkan utk kita..
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Post time 11-3-2008 02:16 AM | Show all posts
Tak tau. So nak baca aje..
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Post time 11-3-2008 02:22 AM | Show all posts
kena tanya abg rais yatim
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Post time 11-3-2008 02:24 AM | Show all posts
mmg cukup tapi kerajaan yg sgt lemah for only 51%, and remember malaysia is a multi racial.

63% skang ni pun dah nampak lemahnya dgn BA di bbrapa negeri.
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 Author| Post time 11-3-2008 02:24 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by juwaini at 11-3-2008 02:16 AM
Tak tau. So nak baca aje..




still because of that 51% fakta, dikatanya BN very much in power...

depa korek seboleh mungkin utk survive.. but if proven legal, apo nak dikato..
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Post time 11-3-2008 02:26 AM | Show all posts

Reply #5 MinahKarat's post

kalau 51% jer yang approve..maknanye malaysia takde constitutional at all ker?
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 Author| Post time 11-3-2008 02:27 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by badai at 11-3-2008 02:24 AM
mmg cukup tapi kerajaan yg sgt lemah for only 51%, and remember malaysia is a multi racial.

63% skang ni pun dah nampak lemahnya dgn BA di bbrapa negeri.



talking about sokongan mmg lemah..

but talking about hanya 51% votes diperlukan utk meluluskan sesatu bills atau akta atau plan... membuat aku tertanya2 kesignifikannya pihak BA dpr more than 1/3 majority tu...
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Post time 11-3-2008 02:28 AM | Show all posts
2/3 hanya untuk meminda Perlembagaan aje kan?

Kalau persempadanan semula kawasan pilihanraya?
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 Author| Post time 11-3-2008 02:30 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by ischae at 11-3-2008 02:26 AM
kalau 51% jer yang approve..maknanye malaysia takde constitutional at all ker?



bukan.. maksudnya.. kalau parlimen BN nak luluskan minyak naik 30sen for eg.. dan on that day the bill is presentad, say hanya in total 100 MP hadir di sidang dewan negara.. and 60 BN 40 BA.. BN just need 51 MP BN to vote YES to aprove the plan kenaikan rega miyak.. regardless of that 2/3 majority fact..

sama gak kalau depa nak luluskan sesuatu akta..

[ Last edited by  MinahKarat at 11-3-2008 02:34 AM ]
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 Author| Post time 11-3-2008 02:32 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by juwaini at 11-3-2008 02:28 AM
2/3 hanya untuk meminda Perlembagaan aje kan?

Kalau persempadanan semula kawasan pilihanraya?


itu lah yg ramai taktau apa dimana main impactnya kalau prevent BN dr majority 2/3.. aku pun blurr
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Post time 11-3-2008 02:33 AM | Show all posts

Reply #9 MinahKarat's post

tak faham..kalau tak, kenapa BA mesti fight for 2/3 majority kan

mesti ada significance nih
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Post time 11-3-2008 02:34 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by MinahKarat at 11-3-2008 02:14 AM
Aku pernah terbaca dulu... dan tadi kat channel 502 Bernama News, Helo Malaysia hosted by Dr Zuraidah Atan with guest sorang pensyarah Law from Uitm.. discussed abt this..

that prof said bill  ...


baru tahu ke?

aku dah lama tau pasal ni... tapi takpe la... kat dalam CI ni banyak yang masih tak tahu macam mana sistem parlimen malaysia ni berjalan... ihihihi...
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Post time 11-3-2008 02:34 AM | Show all posts
Tunggu orang law masuk..

Iscol_Klang tau bab-bab gini rasanya..
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Post time 11-3-2008 02:35 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by cipOt_cedOt at 11-3-2008 02:34 AM


baru tahu ke?

aku dah lama tau pasal ni... tapi takpe la... kat dalam CI ni banyak yang masih tak tahu macam mana sistem parlimen malaysia ni berjalan... ihihihi...

Bongkaknya ko..
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Post time 11-3-2008 02:36 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by ischae at 11-3-2008 02:33 AM
tak faham..kalau tak, kenapa BA mesti fight for 2/3 majority kan

mesti ada significance nih


sap BA tu?

yang aku tahu... PAS nak 2/3 sebab nak ubah perlembagaan untuk menubuhkan negara Islam mengikut acuan dan kehendak PAS...

DAP pula nak 2/3 sebab nak ubah perlembagaan menghapuskan hak-hak keistimewaan melayu tapi takde pula dia sebOt pasal hak sekolah jenis kebangsaan cina dan india dan mewujudkan negara yang disifatkan Malaysian Malaysia...

PKR pulak aku tak tahu... itu kena tanya DSAI pasai apa dia nak 2/3...
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 Author| Post time 11-3-2008 02:37 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by cipOt_cedOt at 11-3-2008 02:34 AM


baru tahu ke?

aku dah lama tau pasal ni... tapi takpe la... kat dalam CI ni banyak yang masih tak tahu macam mana sistem parlimen malaysia ni berjalan... ihihihi...


haah baru tau... aku bukan baca law sgt.. kot la majority 2/3 dalam forum cari ni fully expert pasal perlembagaan kan..

so cipot, apa sgt pihak BA dpt perjuangkan dgn menidakkan majority 2/3 Bn tu? apa yg rakyat dapat dalam impact mudah in daily life?
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Post time 11-3-2008 02:38 AM | Show all posts

Reply #12 cipOt_cedOt's post

kalau ko tau, ape salahnya berkongsi dgn kitorang

since BA (bukan individual party) yang denied 2/3 majority hari tu
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 Author| Post time 11-3-2008 02:39 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by cipOt_cedOt at 11-3-2008 02:36 AM


sap BA tu?

yang aku tahu... PAS nak 2/3 sebab nak ubah perlembagaan untuk menubuhkan negara Islam mengikut acuan dan kehendak PAS...

DAP pula nak 2/3 sebab nak ubah perlembagaan menghap ...


so agak misleading lah dengan kempen prevent 2/3 at the same time cakap pasal prevent BN sesukati naik rega itu ini.. gitu?
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Post time 11-3-2008 02:40 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by juwaini at 11-3-2008 02:35 AM

Bongkaknya ko..


mesti la... dah sekian lama aku dok bising pasal takde bezanya kalau BN menang 2/3 atau simple majoriti dan bagaimana pincangnya sistem parlimen malaysia tapi korang sumer kat sini masih sibok nak reform kerajaan walaupun yang sepatotnya direformkan ialah parlimen itu sendiri... dan akhirnya ada juga sarjana yang sependapat dengan aku... ekekeke...
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Post time 11-3-2008 02:41 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by MinahKarat at 11-3-2008 02:37 AM


haah baru tau... aku bukan baca law sgt.. kot la majority 2/3 dalam forum cari ni fully expert pasal perlembagaan kan..

so cipot, apa sgt pihak BA dpt perjuangkan dgn menidakkan majority 2 ...


ko nak tahu... tunggu saja la lepas kabinet ni diumumkan dan tengok apa BN boleh buat pada negeri-negeri yang jatOh ke tangan BA dengan hanya simple majoriti... dan dengan bertambahnya suara anjing-anjing yang menyalak kat dewan rakyat nanti... ihihihih...
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