Khas utk muslimat...

mnm77 · Post time 8-8-2007 10:19 PM

Originally posted by indah1285 at 8-8-2007 03:16 PM

Dari Imam Ali AS dari Rasulullah SAWA berkata kepada Fatimah as bermaksud:

" Sesungguhnnya Allah marah kerana kemarahanmu dan redha kerana keredhaanmu."

Boleh In carikan rujukan di atas?

Sebahagian besar dari hadith dalam post di atas adalah dari rujukan ahli sunnah, namun diolah oleh syiah atas sebab tertentu. Saya tidak mahu panjangkan perkara ini kerana ia mungkin menyebabkan tidak puas hati pihak tertentu. Saya cuma beri info yang maklumat itu sebenarnya dari syiah.

Kegunaan Alaihissalam adalam untuk para anbiya' (Para-para Nabi) yang maksum

Kalau para2 sahabat dan keturunan Nabi ketika Nabi masih hidup: Radhiallahu 'anhu (lelaki) atau Radhiallahu'anha (wanita)

Sumber yang menggunakan Alaihissalam/ Alaiha Salam kepada ahlul bait berkemungkinan besar dari syiah atau kelompok pencinta ahlul bait.

Wallahu a'lam

indah1285 · Post time 8-8-2007 10:32 PM

In cuba cari rujukan In balik... nanti perbetulkan ek....

ibnur · Post time 8-8-2007 10:41 PM

saya rasa in patut check juga rujukan yang diberi tu (ucapan Alaiha Salam sila rujuk misalnya dalam Sahih Bukhari, Juzuk 5, hadith 368, dan 546).  saya check hadithnya tak sama dengan yang in tulis.  Bukhari juz 5 tu maksud jilid 5 ke?  Kalau jilid 5 hadith 368 dan 546 cerita berkenaan AbuBakar r.a. dan Fatimah r.a. berbincang pasal tanah fadak.  Kalau kata bab 5, tu pasal mandi junub.  saya sebenarnya belum jumpa lagi hadith tu.

kemudiannya berkenaan hadith yang sebut "...." Fatimah adalah sebahagian daripadaku. Barang siapa yang membuat dia marah, akan membuat aku marah." [a-Bukhari, Jilid II, hlm.185]..."
Yang ni pulak tetiba tukar fesyen rujukannya.  Sebelum ni tak sebut juz dan nombor.  kamudian yang ni sebut jilid dan halaman.  terdapat inconsistency dalam penggunaan rujukan.  adakah penulis ni ada 2 kitab bukhari, atau dia hanya copy paste.  Adakah penulis pasti samada yang dia tulis tu sama tak macam dalam kitab Bukhari?  Sebab hadith yang sebut Fatimah r.a. sebahagian dari ku (Rasulullah) ni jilid 5.

lagi bila ke bawah post in dia rujuk hadith guna jilid dan nombor pulak?  kenapa sebelum tu jilid dan halaman?  yang halaman tu takkan tak bernombor pulak hadithnya?

last hadith tu sebut nasa'i sebagai rujukan.  takkan sebut nasa'i saje?  nasa'i ada banyak riwayat hadith dan bukan semua sahih.  kena la sebut halaman ke, bab apa ke.

indah1285 · Post time 8-8-2007 11:29 PM

last hadis tu, In yg edit hingga tinggal nasa'i.... sori...

nanti In cuba cari balik hadis bukhari yg nyatakan pasal AS tu... malah dlm muslim pun ada...

keluaran 70an... yg baru tetiba bertukar, kenapa?

indah1285 · Post time 9-8-2007 10:53 AM

Originally posted by mnm77 at 8-8-2007 10:19 PM

Kegunaan Alaihissalam adalam untuk para anbiya' (Para-para Nabi) yang maksum

Kalau para2 sahabat dan keturunan Nabi ketika Nabi masih hidup: Radhiallahu 'anhu (lelaki) atau Radhiallahu'anha (wanita)

Sumber yang menggunakan Alaihissalam/ Alaiha Salam kepada ahlul baitberkemungkinan besar dari syiah atau kelompok pencinta ahlul bait.

Salam.

In cuba taip di sini apa yg In tahu dgn sedikit rujukan....

揝ungguh tiada lain Allah berkehendak memelihara kamu daridosa-dosa hai Ahlul bait dan mensucikan kamu dengan sesuci-sucinya.

indah1285 · Post time 9-8-2007 11:02 AM

abg ib cari dlm kitab yg sama namun lain halaman.. pokoknya ada, itu yg penting. krn tjemahan dr bhs arab ini yg mmbuatkan jd demikian...

ibnur · Post time 9-8-2007 11:16 AM

kata ada, tapi di mana?

yang ni in dah check jugak ke? saya pun ada jumpa tu;lisan macam ni, tapi penulisnya memang betul check atau tak?

Shahih    Muslim, kitab Fadhail Ash-Shahabah, bab Fadhail Ahlu bait Nabi, jilid 2,    halaman 368, cet. Isa Al-Halabi: jilid 15, halaman 194, Syarah An-Nawawi,    cet. Mesir.
Shahih    At-Tirmidzi, jilid 5, halaman 30, hadis ke 3258; halaman 328, hadis 3875,    cet. Darul Fikr.
Musnad    Ahmad bin Hanbal, jilid 5, halaman 25, cet. Darul Ma抋rif, Mesir.

elok jugak kita selidik tafsir-tafsir ulamak silam dan sekarang berkenaan ayat al-ahzab:33.
apa dia orang kata.

zamnie · Post time 9-8-2007 11:20 AM

hmmm.. fenin gakk nihh tp mmg lah kalau baca sekali x leh tp kena gak buat byk rujukan ekkk!!!!!

anyway, tenkiu pd sumer yg involve dlm hal ni........

ibnur · Post time 9-8-2007 11:39 AM

Originally posted by zamnie at 9-8-2007 11:20 AM
hmmm.. fenin gakk nihh tp mmg lah kalau baca sekali x leh tp kena gak buat byk rujukan ekkk!!!!!

anyway, tenkiu pd sumer yg involve dlm hal ni........

memang penin kalau dah banyak sangat involve dalam forum.  kengkadang ada manusia ni sanggup main-main bahan rujukan, kemudian datang orang lain copy paste sampai 7 keturunan.

kalau dulu-dulu masa tak involve dalam bahas-bahas macam forum ni, tak kisah pun riwayat sahih tak sahih.  main ikut jer ustad cakap.  nak pertikai ustad tak berani.

so, kita tengok-tengok lah macamana.  sebab rujukan-rujukan sahih dah senang dapat sekarang ni.  kita guna yang sahih jer dulu, yang penin-penin tu tak yah ler kita pk.

indah1285 · Post time 9-8-2007 11:48 AM

dlm bukhari muslim mmg ada, keluaran th 70an... In benar2 mmbacanya tp masa tu xdelah terniat nk wat

catatan utk perbincangan forum, sekadar utk diri sendiri saja...

zamnie · Post time 9-8-2007 02:38 PM

kalau mcm tu baik kita ambik rujukan dari ustaz2 yg terkenal jek ekk mcm ustaz Ismail Kamus, Ustaz Harun Din dll yg blh dipercayai sumber dorang kan...

mnm77 · Post time 9-8-2007 05:18 PM

Originally posted by indah1285 at 9-8-2007 10:53 AM

Maryambinti Imran disebut AS... atas dasar apa gelaran ini diberi...?sedangkan Fatimah as terang2an disebut Rasul seorang pemuka syurga

Benar. Maryam wanita suci yang disebut dalam Al Quran.

Fatimah RA adalah wanita yang akan jadi ketua wanita dalam syurga.

Sebenarnya kalau nak guna AS (Alaiha Salam) pada Fatimah adalah tak salah dari segi bahasa, kerana bermaksud Salam ke atasnya. Cuma 'title' itu telah diguna pakai Ulama silam ahli sunnah untuk Para2 Anbi dan wanita suci sahaja.

Ada pihak yang percaya kemaksuman ahlul bait tertentu berdasarkan tafsir ayat2 Al Quran yang berbeza maka dengan sebab itu mereka menggunaka AS seumpama menyamakan dengan para Nabi yang maksum, dan ini melibatkan hal aqidah. Jika kita tidak percaya kemaksuman ahlul bait itu maka tidaklah ia menjadi kesalahan kalau nak sebut AS tu.

Wallahu a'lam

mnm77 · Post time 9-8-2007 07:03 PM

[quote]Originally posted by indah1285 at 9-8-2007 10:53 AM

揝ungguhtiada lain Allah berkehendak memelihara kamu daridosa-dosa hai Ahlulbait dan mensucikan kamu dengan sesuci-sucinya.

ibnur · Post time 9-8-2007 09:59 PM

okay... rilek dulu... topik siapa ahlul bait ada di sub bod. alaihissalam ada kat salah satu thread kat san juga.

kita balik ke topik untuk muslimah.

mnm77 · Post time 9-8-2007 10:55 PM

tu la...rasa macam tak sesuai bersoal jawab kat sini...sorry tuan umah...

sambung balik topik muslimah... hadith dari sahih Muslim:

Aisyah r.a katanya: Sebelas orang wanita telah bersepakat dan berjanji untuk menceritakan perihal suami mereka.

Wanita pertama berkata: Suamiku seperti daging unta yang busuk yang berada di puncak bukit yang tinggi yang tidak dapat untuk didaki. Beliau tidak berlemak dan mudah untuk bergerak.

Wanita kedua berkata: Aku tidak boleh menceritakan mengenai suamiku. Aku takut dan aku tidak boleh memberitahu mengenainya. Sekiranya aku memberitahu mengenainya, bermakna aku membuka aibnya.

Wanita ketiga berkata: Suamiku telah membuat syarat, sekiranya aku bercerita, aku akan diceraikan dan sekiranya aku diam, aku akan dikasihi.

Wanita ke empat berkata: Suamiku seperti cuaca di Negeri Tihamah, tidak panas dan tidak sejuk (sederhana), tidak menakutkan dan tidak menjemukan.

Wanita kelima berkata: Suamiku, ketika memasuki rumah seperti seekor harimau bintang (kerana banyak tidur dan malas bertanya), tetapi apabila beliau keluar seperti seekor singa. Beliau tidak akan bertanya perkara-perkara yang bukan urusannya.

Wanita keenam berkata: Suamiku apabila makan, beliau akan menghabiskan makanannya. Sekiranya beliau minum, beliau akan menghabiskan minumannya. Sekiranya beliau tidur, beliau akan berselimut dan tidak memasukkan telapak tangannya kerana beliau tahu akan kesusahannya.

Wanita ketujuh berkata: Suamiku adalah seorang yang lemah syahwat. Walaupun telah berubat tetapi belum juga sembuh. Di samping itu beliau mudah menjatuhkan tangannya.

Wanita kelapan berkata: Suamiku berbau seperti bau Zarnab (sejenis bauan) dan sentuhannya selembut sentuhan seekor arnab.

Wanita kesembilan berkata: Suamiku berkedudukan tinggi, seorang yang berjaya, dermawan dan rumahnya berhampiran dengan tempat permainan.

Wanita kesepuluh berkata: Suamiku seorang pembesar dan banyak memiliki harta, sebahagian dari hartanya, beliau memiliki banyak unta. Sebahagian besar unta-untanya pula dibiarkan di halaman rumah, kerana itulah untanya yang hamil sedikit sahaja. Sekiranya unta-unta itu mendengar tiupan seruling mereka mengetahui bahawa mereka akan disembelih.

Wanita kesebelas berkata: Suamiku bernama Abu Zar'in. Tahukah kamu siapakah Abu Zar'in? Beliaulah yang memberikan aku anting-anting pada sepasang telingaku. Beliaulah yang memberiku makanan-makanan berzat sehingga aku kelihatan sihat. beliau suka memuji aku, beliau mengambil aku dari keluarga susah dan menjadikan aku salah seorang anggota keluarga yang kaya. Beliau tidak pernah mencaci aku, sehinggakan aku dapat tidur dengan nyenyak sampai ke pagi dan aku dapat minum dengan tenang.

Selepas itu bagaimana pula Ummu Abu Zar'in. Tahukah kamu siapa Ummu Abu Zar'in? Beliau memiliki harta simpanan dan rumahnya sangat luas. Maka bagaimana pula Ibnu Abu Zar'in. Tahukah kamu siapakah Ibnu Abu Zar'in. Tempat tidurnya seperti pelepah tamar. Beliau merasa kenyang dengan makan sebelah kaki kambing. Maka bagaimana pula Anak perempuan Abu Zar'in. Tahukah kamu siapakah anak perempuan Abu Zar'in beliau sangat mentaati kedua orang tuanya. Tubuhnya montel dan sering menasihati jirannya. Maka bagaimana pula Jariah Abu Zar'in, tahukah kamu siapakah Jariah Abu Zar'in? Beliau tidak pernah menyebarkan rahsia kami dan sangat jujur sekalipun dalam soal makanan. Beliau Tidak pernah membiarkan rumahku kotor. Setelah itu beliau berkata: Satu hari Abu Zar'in keluar dengan membawa satu bekas daripada kulit yang diisi dengan susu. Beliau bertemu dengan seorang wanita yang mempunyai dua orang anak. Kedua anaknya itu seperti dua ekor harimau kumbang. Mereka bermain dengan dua biji buah delima di bawah pinggang ibunya. Maka beliau menceraikan aku dan mengahwini wanita itu. Setelah itu aku berkahwin dengan seorang lelaki yang baik dan kaya. Tunggangannya adalah seekor kuda terpilih. Beliau membawa aku ke kandang yang penuh dengan binatang ternakan. Kemudian dia berkata: Makanlah wahai Ummu Zar'in dan berehatlah supaya hilang penat lelah. Beliau berkata: Sekiranya aku kumpulkan pemberiannya dengan pemberian Abu Zar'in, nescaya pemberiannya tidak akan sama dengan pemberian Abu Zar'in yang paling sedikit. Aisyah r.a berkata: Rasulullah s.a.w bersabda kepadaku: Perhubungan aku denganmu seperti Abu Zar'in dengan Ummu Zar'in

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mnm77 · Post time 9-8-2007 11:03 PM

Hadith Ummi Zar抋. This is the second hadith of this chapter. Due to this story being lengthy and famous, special books have been written on it. Imaam Tirmizi has also given it a little prominence. This hadith has other names too, but is well known by this name. Due to the story being lengthy, every woman抯 story is mentioned separately with its commentaries.)
Aisha radiyallahu anha reports, 揙nce eleven women assembled and made an agreement, that each of them would describe the true state of their husbands, without hiding any fact.

mnm77 · Post time 9-8-2007 11:04 PM

THE NINTH WOMAN said: "My husband is of high status, generous, hospitable, owner of a high dwelling. He has a lot of ashes. He is tall built. His home is near the majlis and Daarul Mashwarah (House of Counsel)'.

Commentary
This woman has mentioned many praises. The first is that her house is very high. If a big mansion is meant here, then it shall mean wealth and leadership, because a high mansion can only be built by a wealthy person. If by high dwelling it is meant that the house is built on a raised ground, like it was common amonst 'Arabs for generous and hospitable people to buils there houses non raised places, so that strangers and travellers could see it and come to it. In this case it will mean he is generous and hospitable. Some 'ulama state that by a high dwelling, it is meant that he descended from a high and noble family.
The second praise is of his hospitality, due to this it is natural that there will be a lot of ashes in the house, because a lot of food is cooked for visitors.
The third praise is his height. To be tall, provided that it does not exceed that which is deemed moderate, is laudable and praiseworthy for a man. By this big house near the majlis (assembly) means that he is wise and a man of counsel. There is always someone who comes to seek his advice. The opinion of this humble servant, is that it is possible that this may also mean that he keeps the Daarul Mashwarah (House of Counsel) near his house, so that he will not say in humbleness etc. to those who gather there, that my house is a distance away. He keeps his home near, so that a long time is not spent in preparations for hospitality, and because of it an occasion for an excuse may not arise.

THE TENTH WOMAN said: "My husband is Maalik, and what can I describe about Maalik. He is more generous than all those who have been praised, or he is more praiseworthy than all the praises I may shower on him. He owns many herds of camels, which are kept near the house. They are seldom taken out for grazing. When the camels hear the sound of the mizhar, they are sure that their end is near".

Commentary
It is said that the name of this woman is Kabshah bint Maalik. She praised the generosity of her husband, which is explained thus, if the camels go out to graze in the fields, then at the time of hospitality and attending to the guests, time is wasted in herding them back. There are allways visitors at his home. The camels are not sent out to graze but fed in their pans, so that when a visitor arrives a camel could be slaughtered immediately. Some have translated the sounding of the mizhar as, that whenever a visitor arrives, in happiness and in the visitors honour, this instrument is sounded. By hearing the sound, the camels know that the time of their slaughter is near, as a visitor has arrived. According to 'Arab custom this meaning seems more appropriate, that when a visitor he is immediately entertained by being served drinks, tid-bits, music etc. By the sound of the music the camels know that meal times are near, and for its preparations, the time for their slaughter is near.

THE ELEVENTH WOMAN Umm Zar-a, said: "My husband was Abu Zar-a', and how can I praise Abu Zar-a'? He made my ears bow with jewels. He made my sides (by feeding) full of fat. He kept me so happy and contented, that due to self admiration and haughtiness I thought I was virtuous. He found me from such a poor home, that lived with hardship, owning only a few goats for a living. From there he brought me into such a prosperous family who owned horses, camel oxen for ploughing, and gardeners (and possessed all types of wealth. Besides all this he was so good natured) that he did not criticise me scold me for anything. I slept till late in the morning, and no one was allowed to wake me up. Food was so abundant that after filling myself I just left it (and it never got finished). The mother of Abu Zar-a' ( mother-in-law), in what manner can I praise her? Her huge utensils were always full. Her house was very spacious (She was very rich, and according to the habit of women, was not a miser. By the vastness of the house it is meant that many visitors were entertained). The son of Abu Zar-a', in what manner can I praise him? He was also a light upon light. He was so thin and skinny, the sleeping part of his body (ribs etc. was thin like a branch, or a sword. A side of a lamb was enough to fill his stomach. (i.e. There was no great formalities for a brave one to sleep like a soldier he slept a little in a small place. In the same manner he ate simple food, but befitting a warrior. Two or three pieces of meat was his food). The daughter of Abu Zar-a', how can she be praised? She obeys her mother and father. She is fat and healthy, and a jealousy for the second wife (The second wife feels jealous on her excellence. Among the 'Arabs it is desirable that a man be thin and tall, and a woman fat a healthy). And how can I praise the slave girl of Abu Zar-a'? She never gossiped about our house affairs to anyone. She did not even use foodstuffs without permission. She did not let the house become dirty and untidy, but kept it clean. (The days passed wonderfully). One morning whilst the utensils of milk were being churned Abu Zara went out of the house. He found a woman, with two cheetah like children playing with pomegranates. (The similarity of cheetah is with playing, and the pomegranates are either in reality pomegranates which the children were spinning and playing with, or breasts of the women are intended here). He loved her so much, that he divorced me, a married her. (I was divorced because as a second wife, she would become heartsore, and by divorcing me the new wife would have greater regard for him). In one narration it is mentioned that he married her. He then divorced me. Subsequently I married another chief and noble man, who was a prince and soldier. He showered on me many gifts. And from each type of animal i.e. camel, cow, goat, etc. etc., he presented me a pair and said to me, 'Eat as much as you want yourself, send to your parents as much as you wish'. The fact is this, if I add up all his good qualities etc. then too he will not excel the little thing that abu Zar-a' bestowed upon me". Sayyiditina 'Aayeshah Radiyallahu 'Anha says: "After Sayyidina Rasulullah Sallallahu 'Alayhi Wasallain completed this story, he said to me. 'I am also to you as Abu Zar-a, had been to Umm Zar-a'

Commentary
In another hadith it is stated that Sayyidina Rasulullah Sallallahu 'Alayhi Wasallam also thereafter said: 'I will not divorce you'. It has been mentioned in Tabraani that Sayyiditina 'Aayeshah Radiyallahu 'Anha replied: 'O Messenger of Allah, what truth is there about Abu Zar-a'. May my mother and father be sacrificed on you. You are much more to me than him'. May Allah Ta'aala grant every Muslim husband and wife the following of the footsteps of Sayyidina Rasulullah Sallallahu 'Alayhi Wasallam on this subject, because this is the result of chastity. Aameen. Some 'ulama are of the opinion that those women who criticised their husbands committed backbiting, and this was narrated in the assembly of Sayyidina Rasulullah Sallallahu 'Alayhi Wasallam. If Sayyidina Rasulullah Sallallahu 'Alayhi Wasallam related this story himself, then there is even a greater perplexity. But the fact is, that this is not entering the boundaries of backbiting. To discuss something about a person whose name or other details are not known to the people, certainly cannot be included in the category of backbiting.

(Shamaa'il Tirmidhi)