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Dancer In The Dark - Revisited

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Post time 3-9-2006 12:13 PM | Show all posts |Read mode


okay aku dah takleh tahan dah...

ada sesape yang dah menonton filem ni dan menangis?

aku, seorang lelaki sejati yang sangat-sangat jarang menangis, aku even tak menangis kat funeral arrwah atuk nenek aku and yet aku menangis bila tengok Dancers In The Dark.

This film is so powerful that I cant bear myself to watch it again out of fear of killing myself. :cry:

bila aku cek forum filem ni kat imdb.com aku dapati bukan aku sorang jer rasa tertekan bila tengok Dancers In The Dark...

to be honest, aku bukanla tearjerker over a movie...aku TAK PERNAH nangis over a movie sebab aku tau the fact that they all just acting....well pernah la dulu time kecik2 tengok Toriton time dolphin dia mati tu..tapi tu tak kira la sebab kartun and aku baru 4 tahun...but then ini dalam konteks movie dan Bjork sangat real dalam filem nih...

so aku just nak tau la sape lagi orang Malaysia yang mengalirkan air mata bila tengok Dancers In The Dark...just to make me feel okay about myself hehe...ke aku sorang jer...

[ Last edited by  king_kong at 3-9-2006 12:27 PM ]
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Post time 3-9-2006 12:34 PM | Show all posts
...memang depressing.tapi bagi aku Dogville lebih depressing dan lebih kuat impak endingnya...bcoz Bjork's fate is more or less was already expected.
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 Author| Post time 3-9-2006 12:44 PM | Show all posts
aku dah menonton Dogville..tapi aku tak rasa impak tu sekuat DITD...aku tak rasa depressing, just agak marah ngan apa yang penduduk Dogville buat kat Grace..

and it just my personal opinion...aku tak rasa suffering Grace dalam Nicole Kidman...tak tau apesal......it sort of macam Nicole Kidman melakonkan watak Grace dengan professional tapi jauh ketinggalan kalau nak dicompare Bjork ialah Selma Jezkova..sungguh real....and maybe the whole chalk-line studio setting tu buat the whole movie experience rasa pelik sebab aku lebih banyak pay attention macamana Von Trier nak manage pelakon dalam line2 tu dari plotline tu sendiri hehehe...

btw...im looking forward to see Bryce plak sebagai Grace dlm Manderlay...Mandalay...mana2la...
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Post time 3-9-2006 07:28 PM | Show all posts
haha to each his own..mungkin sebab Dogville adalah dosej Lars Von Trier pertama aku.so agak 'culture shock' dgn approach yg dia amik.

Manderlay tak tgk lg.Breaking The Waves dah tengok?aku tak berapa suka yg ni...agak tak seimbang.ada part2 yg emotionally engaging,tapi ada jugak part2 yg just plain ridiculous.

nak tau opinion ko.

[ Last edited by  maberik at 3-9-2006 07:29 PM ]
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Post time 4-9-2006 01:15 AM | Show all posts
i watched it and yup, i cried. but then, i cried watching everything. so does that count? hehe
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Post time 4-9-2006 09:40 AM | Show all posts
the most depressing film i've ever seen.....
tapi there are others movies yang menitiskan air mata bagi aku but not this film. tapi this film, dia punya lump in my throat moment lingers hingga ke hari ini! something ,maybe one or more in a million cells in my body died as well.
bila Bjork meratap kematian dia beberapa minit lagi tu....cukuplah......


tapi lagu dia i've seen it all tu one of the best for a movie......

[ Last edited by  peacefrog at 4-9-2006 09:45 AM ]
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Post time 4-9-2006 02:32 PM | Show all posts
best ke citer ni..  rasa berminat nak tengok pulak..
setakat ni rasa tak penah lak nangis sebab tengok movie..
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 Author| Post time 4-9-2006 03:22 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by maberik at 3-9-2006 07:28 PM
haha to each his own..mungkin sebab Dogville adalah dosej Lars Von Trier pertama aku.so agak 'culture shock' dgn approach yg dia amik.

Manderlay tak tgk lg.Breaking The Waves dah tengok?aku tak  ...


aku tengah download breaking the waves...nak mencukupkan trilogy golden something2 (aku dah lupe actual title trilogy nih) yg sekali dgn dancer in the dark ngan the idiot...

seriously aku amik masa jugak nak familiarize dengan the whole Dogme95 concept yg Lars Von Trier agung2kan kan nih...aku start ngan The Idiot (Idioterne) ...bagi aku approach Dogme95 yg terlalu raw buat aku tak paham satu sen pun ape yang Lars Von Trier cube sampaikan dalam Idioterne...

so aku stop dengan Lars Von Trier punye filem sekali dengan Dogme2 nyer...until aku discovered Dancer In The Dark yg bagi aku still menggunakan approach Dogme95 tapi takde se "raw" Idioterne..

aku ade dengar byk gak komplain pasal Breaking The Waves..ramai yg cakap pendekatan yg Von Trier guna tak balance..kejap emotional, kejap ntah ape2...aku tak tau lagi sebab aku tak tengok..but then watching is believeing hehehe...maybe la sebab Von Trier cube nak masukkan essence Scottish culture and lower-class social structure dlm Breaking The Waves yg membuatkan audience rasa confuse ...

but then aku rasa Lars Von Trier berjaya hidupkan suasana Washington state tahun 1964 walaupun shooting dibuat di Sweden dan almost 90% para pelakon Dancer In The Dark terdiri daripada pelakon European (kecuali David Morse dan Siobhan Fallon - guard pompuan)...

Dancer In The Dark is not your average sad film...kalau anda biasa dengan conventional style filmmaking...maybe anda tak terasa dan maybe anda rasa Dancer In The Dark ni mengarut...susah gak la nak paham the whole Dogme95 concept ni actually...tapi bila anda dah paham pendekatan filmmaking yg Lars Von Trier gunakan..Dancer In The Dark is one of the most beautiful film you'll ever seen...
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Post time 4-9-2006 04:53 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by king_kong at 4-9-2006 03:22 PM


aku ade dengar byk gak komplain pasal Breaking The Waves..ramai yg cakap pendekatan yg Von Trier guna tak balance..kejap emotional, kejap ntah ape2...aku tak tau lagi sebab aku tak tengok..but then watching is believeing hehehe...maybe la sebab Von Trier cube nak masukkan essence Scottish culture and lower-class social structure dlm Breaking The Waves yg membuatkan audience rasa confuse ...


...dlm Breaking The Waves,aku rasa Von Trier cuba 'imbue' stail 'Felliniesque'(betul ke eja ni?stail Federico Fellini), dgn scene2/imej2 yg agak 'out of this world/fantasi' sebagai metaphor kpd apa2 yg dia nak sampaikan. tapi agak tak ada 'kesatuan' dgn ceritanya.ditambah lg dgn stail Dogme95-nya tu(penggambaran ala-dokumentari), mmg tak berapa masuk lah. The main character portrayed by Emily Watson is less 'believable' than Bjork's or Kidman's character.bukan sbb lakonan Watson tak bagus,dia amat bagus,tapi plot points-nya yg mencacatkan watak tu.

[ Last edited by  maberik at 4-9-2006 04:55 PM ]
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Post time 4-9-2006 05:02 PM | Show all posts
selalu tengok video muzik dari ost filem ni je. yg bjork nyanyi kt ketapi tu kn?
tp belum tngok lagi filemnya.
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 Author| Post time 4-9-2006 06:59 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by maberik at 4-9-2006 04:53 PM


...dlm Breaking The Waves,aku rasa Von Trier cuba 'imbue' stail 'Felliniesque'(betul ke eja ni?stail Federico Fellini), dgn scene2/imej2 yg agak 'out of this world/fantasi' sebagai metaphor kpd ...



i am yet to watch Fellini movies...tak berkesempatan lagi so aku tak berape familiar dengan Fellini punye style...disebabkan filem2 French New Wave (Godard, Truffaut dll) lagi senang nak carik kat torrent so aku lagi familiar dgn French New Wave punye style (which i think somewhere familiar with Dogme95 punya style..correct me if i'm wrong).

btw aku just nak tau...style Fellini dgn Tarkovsky lebih kurang ke? banyak guna metafora dan sebagainya?

anyway...aku rasa cam menarik plak penerangan ko pasal "penggabungan" yang ko terangkan pasal Breaking The Waves...aku mmg tau perangai si Von Trier yg suka juxtapose antara realiti ngan fantasi/avant-garde etc...macam scene realiti dan musical numbers Selma dlm Dancer In The Dark...begitu juga dengan Dogville yang menggabungkan reality drama dengan avant-garde style setting (chalk-line studio setting)...

tapi tu la masalahnye...agak susah nak blend raw style macam Dogme dengan idea2 psiko si Von Trier nih...macam musical number dalam Dancer In The Dark...rasa kekok gile the dance sequence dari perspektif ala2 CCTV hehehe...tapi editing style si Von Trier memang power ah...nampak smooth walaupun shooting mmg raw gile...

yeap...ni filem yg ade bjork nyanyi kat tepi keretapi tu...u should watch lah..very......sad...hehe
member aku cakap (the one who introduced me to Dancer In The Dark) even if you're a Terminator, you'll show some emotion after watching it..
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Post time 4-9-2006 08:21 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by king_kong at 4-9-2006 06:59 PM

btw aku just nak tau...style Fellini dgn Tarkovsky lebih kurang ke? banyak guna metafora dan sebagainya?


Tarkovsky punya work aku tak tengok lagi...yeap aku rasa Fellini ngan Von Trier ni hampir sama.Fellini ada jugak selitkan 'musical number' ala-Dancer In The Dark dalam filemnya.dan metafora2 yg dia pakai mmg fantasy-like(e.g. scene layang2 manusia dlm 8 1/2)

tapi tu la masalahnye...agak susah nak blend raw style macam Dogme dengan idea2 psiko si Von Trier nih...macam musical number dalam Dancer In The Dark...rasa kekok gile the dance sequence dari perspektif ala2 CCTV hehehe...tapi editing style si Von Trier memang power ah...nampak smooth walaupun shooting mmg raw gile...


...utk Dancer In The Dark,dance/musical sequence tu memang 'kena' dengan mood filem tu. macam satu penyampaian 'emosi' watak Bjork(yang guna muzik sebagai escapism,kontra kpd kesusahannya.).lagu2nya stail happy,tapi mood filem 'depressing'.memang awal2 rasa agak kekok,tapi aku tak nafikan mmg sesuai utk filem ni.
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 Author| Post time 4-9-2006 10:03 PM | Show all posts
kalau ko rasa musical sequence dalam Dancer In The Dark sebagai cara penyampaian emosi (which is memang betul, menggambarkan escapism Selma dari penderitaan di dunia realiti)..tapi bagi aku, musical sequence tu adalah satu bentuk "penyeksaan psikologi" Lars Von Trier kepada audence...

ini kerana sudah semacam pattern dimana musical sequence seolah mcm satu bentuk "hint" yang selepas segala nyanyian, tarian berakhir maka bermulalah scene yg depressing.

aku dah sampai tahap silent-begging yg jgnlah ade  musical number sequence lagi sbb aku x sanggup dah nak tahan huge lump kat tekak..silap aribulan bole tercekik..

btw...the way Lars Von Trier manipulatekan happy-mood dlm musical numbers tu membuatkan audience off-guard with what gonna happen next....tu yg ramai jump off their seat tuh haha...to be honest...it took me quite some time to watch the final scene...couldnt bare myself watching thru the final scene all in one go...still terngiang2 lagi Selma meraung2 "i can't breathe!" kat telinga aku...psiko sungguh...

btw..can see that u'd watched Barton Fink? how was it?...aku pun sort of dalam proses kumpul filem2 yg penah menang Palm D'Or....serious aku x sangka Coen brothers yg buat filem cliche Intolerable Cruelty (sori kalau ko suke) tu penah menang P'alme D'Or haha...

[ Last edited by  king_kong at 4-9-2006 10:17 PM ]
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Post time 4-9-2006 10:15 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by king_kong at 4-9-2006 10:03 PM
btw..can see that u'd watched Barton Fink? how was it?...aku pun sort of dalam proses kumpul filem2 yg penah menang Palm D'Or....serious aku x sangka Coen brothers yg buat filem cliche Intolerable Cruelty (sori kalau ko suke) tu penah menang P'alme D'Or haha...



The Coen brothers' recent films (Intolerable Cruelty,The Ladykillers) doesnt even begin to do justice to their excellent, excellent filmography---->Fargo, Miller's Crossing, Raising Arizona, Blood Simple, The Big Lebowski, and yours truly Barton Fink.
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 Author| Post time 5-9-2006 07:51 PM | Show all posts
aku just tgk big lebowski ngan fargo jer hasil kerja tangan adik beradik Coen nih...

skrg ni aku lagi prefer Farrelly brothers punye film dari Coen's ....
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Post time 5-9-2006 10:37 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by king_kong at 5-9-2006 07:51 PM
aku just tgk big lebowski ngan fargo jer hasil kerja tangan adik beradik Coen nih...

skrg ni aku lagi prefer Farrelly brothers punye film dari Coen's ....


huh?kau tak suka ke Fargo?dan kau lg suka Farrelly brothers?this comes as a surprise, coming from you.

ermm try Miller's Crossing atau Blood Simple.if they didnt change your mind,well....i give up.heh
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 Author| Post time 6-9-2006 05:16 PM | Show all posts
eh mane ade aku kate aku x suke fargo ngan big lebowski...fargo membuatkan aku tgk almost famous (aku x berape suka filem2 cameron crowe btw) disebabkan ade frances mcdormand...

aku just relate yg how coen brothers sort of losing their touch skrg ni (with intolerable cruelty ngan ladykillers) compare dgn farrely brothers's...yeah.aku mmg peminat filem lawak2 slapstik/spastik macam filem2 arah farrelly brothers hahaha...nak kate guilty pleasure pun...bole laa..guilty pleasure pun guilty pleasure laa hahaha...

am yet to watch the movies that u mentioned...maybe aku akan go for Barton Fink dulu
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