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seribulan

Originally posted by getarsukma at 16-1-2006 05:58 PM
mat saleh: I say asian countries didn't develop because the ppl have no belief in what it takes to build a good strong society. Honesty, Accountability, Responsibility, Quality.
mat saleh: These are things that build a country
mat saleh: not your false religious values.

some of his arguments..u can't deny...but to me...religious values are
honesty, accountability, responsibility, quality and so on...if people doesn't
have those...then they didn't really follow truly on that path...you can always
give examples of the Japs...who don't put emphasis on religion, yet are very
well-develop...all in all, when they are deeply stressed, they can't handle life...
suicide r common...even for school children...we must have balance in life...
we just cannot let go our faith...it's not the values, actually...it's the belief...

[ Last edited by seribulan at 16-1-2006 06:30 PM ]

blackmore

Originally posted by getarsukma at 16-1-2006 05:58 PM
Hi forumers...

Saya nk minta pandangan untuk dikongsi... saya ada sorng kenalan mat saleh.. dah dkt 5 taun kenal tp yahoo msnger sja... ada jugak kuar sekali dua tp dia nih mmg rude lah.. suka c ...

...ok..honest opinion ek...ko jangan kecik hati tau...

...aku rasa ko nie memang tak tau nak berchatting...memang kelakuan ko pon macam budak2...just like what he said...that is not the way untuk balas dia nya points...walaupon ko rasa yang dia tu very rude...very stubborn and very bias...ko tak bley balas balik ngan tindakan yang sama...

...dalam one to one chatting nie...u have to be calm always...kalau rasa2 ko cannot take the heat...excuse yourself in a nice manner...cakap ko ada kerja ke apa dan akan sambung balik...and not losing your bearings and let him keep on putting u down like what he did...

...chatting ngan mat saleh nie memang different ngan chatting ngan orang yang sebangsa ngan kita...kita tak bley nak expect dia tu conform to our way of thinking...values and beliefs...u can disagree...but dont degrade or insult...and...it is very very normal for them to use 4 letter words nie semua...dah menjadi sebahagian dari vocab dorang...so...ko kena chill arr sikit...

...kalau ko maintain your cool and respect his views dan kalau cara ko lawan balik cakap2 dia tu baik...lambat laun dia akan berubah dan respect ko lebih...and believe me...he will automatically try to reduce the usage of those bad words when chatting ngan ko...:cak:

thamrong

Don't match his anger and rudeness. Use you intellect and wits to rebutt him. Fire aganinst fire is useless remember the Chinese saying 'water can cut stone'.

We cannot control him and the best recourse is to avoid him. At least we maintain our sanity. I am a lowly sailor and an excellant 'on-the-deck' material for abuse and mockery, however, through superior knowledge and readings I nailed them down.

getarsukma

Thanx seribulan, blackmore n thamrong...

He did it on purpose bec he knows dat I x like it... he enjoys pissing me off... but when we meet face to face, he's polite... only in chatroom he's rude... dats how our convrsatn's like d past 5 years.... quarrelling n reconciling... it happens again n again.. he keeps degrading asians n seems like never look at us positvely... n stimes its too much...

I agree that things he mentioned are common in third world country... corruption, etc.. i realize that... but he expect me to accept that his western ways r mostly rite... y would i tolerate with such person?? I x mind him hvg sex wth over 100 women, get drunk, eat pork, etc... its his culture.. i u.stand but watch his manner when talking to locals... hv some respect...  Im not one of those SPG or any mat saleh wannabe who just lick his ass only to be accepted in his circle... he's in our country making money easily n never know how to respect our culture.. i think he's x satisfied bec i was hard on him.. others might just agree with watever he says/does...

Greenbottle3

well;

hit me if you like... but you have been chatting with this kind of guy for FIVE years??!!
you must be a masochist.
and who is this guy?...his english doesn't sound too good to me...

my advice is...just drop this guy... go get yourself a real friend....

[ Last edited by Greenbottle3 at 17-1-2006 06:28 PM ]

getarsukma

Originally posted by Greenbottle3 at 17-1-2006 06:27 PM
well;

hit me if you like... but you have been chatting with this kind of guy for FIVE years??!!
you must be a masochist.
and who is this guy?...his english doesn't sound too good to me...

m ...

he's an aussie... mcm baguz... exploring biz in s.e.a region... been here almost 7 yrs.. ur rite.. but i wont be satisfied until he get sth fr me...

Greenbottle3

getarsukma...

ooo aussie...saya dok di aussie selama 6 tahun!....ada banyak yang bagus2 orang nya...ada banyak juga yang mungkin tak bagus...

kawan anda ni...tak tau la...
orang aussie ni macam2...kalau di thailand sana mereka lah kuat buka go go bars dan karaoke..di bali pun kalau di kuta tu mereka juga jadi kepala angin...

so hati hati le ye kawan dng mereka ni... saya dah banyak kali dah terserempak dengan mat salleh tua bangka atas flight bawa gadis thailand, filipina dan juga indonesia entah nak pergi  kemana...

mat salleh ada banyak yang pandang hina pada asian... ape ke tak nye kalau aussie tu orang greek dan itali pun di pandang hina apatah lagi asian....saya tau benar perangai kebanyakan mereka... yang nampak bagus pun rata2 punyai 'patronizing attitude' pada kita ....

getarsukma

Greenbottle3...

Tq... mmg perasan bagus pun.. tp baik gak actly cuma laser x kena tempat.. once in a while he'll sms/call me.. tp depan2 he's very polite.. cuma dlm chatroom.. tu yg x paham...

Anyway, i got nothing to lose.. dia sangka semua asians boleh dicucuk hidung... silap besar la.. he'll learn more..

Greenbottle3

weeeeelll; hati2 le ye getarsokmo...or is it getarsukma?...
anyway lelaki dalam forum ni pun hensem hensem belaka... ritchie blackmore tu misal nye ngko kawan le dgn dia...dia tu miang bole tahan jugak...selalu nak cium saya dalam alam maya ni.... dia tak perasan aku pun lelaki macam dia jugak....

thamrong

Aussia ni bukan semuanya bigot. Tapi yang di Sydney tu munkin sebab keturunan kriminal.
Anyway anybody has seen my Sheila?

[ Last edited by thamrong at 20-1-2006 07:17 PM ]

blackmore

Originally posted by Greenbottle3 at 20-1-2006 05:00 PM
weeeeelll; hati2 le ye getarsokmo...or is it getarsukma?...
anyway lelaki dalam forum ni pun hensem hensem belaka... ritchie blackmore tu misal nye ngko kawan le dgn dia...dia tu miang bole tahan  ...

...hehehe...miang2 aku...aku cuma miang ngan ko sorang jer greenie...

mysara

tak sangka getarsukma bertahan dgn si aussie tuh sampai 5 tahun :bgrin:
sara punya chat uncle dari Italy... tu pun suka bincang isu agama...
dia mcm nak psiko sara ttg kebaikan agamanya..
tapi sara mmg elak sbb sara pun bukan terrer agama sgt... takat penegtahuan asas jer..
dia punya knowledge.. fuiyooo.. siap quote tafsir alquran lagi..
tapi bestnya uncle maya sara tuh.. dia gentleman dan tak memaki :bgrin:
ada ke dia nak matchkan sara ngan anak teruna dia :lol
adeyyyyyyy... mcm2 fe'el manusia..

sara rasa, getarsukma dah kenal dia lama, dah kenal stail dia menulis,
jadi cuba elakkan kontroversi kalu getarsukma tak leh handle..
lagi satu, byk2 le membaca apa yg dia suka provoke awak tuh..
so, lain kali awak leh bersedia utk 'bertempur' ngan dia..

dulu, masa habis spm, mmg sara gila2 chatting kat YM atau MSN, tapi skrg dah kurang..
mmg hangat le jugak..
sara lebih suka berbicara ttg budaya, geografi... cuma ngan uncle maya sara tuh... :lol
mmg tak leh elak kalu dia nak chat hal agama...

thamrong

Mat Salleh  memang ada attitude 'white supremist'. Naturally they have contemp against other races( black, oriential or middle-eastern). They even believe that god is whiteman. So what the fuss..We don't have to kow tow them and hang around at the bar counter expecting free drink. I personnaly don't talk to them unless he/she is my personal friend( which I have..) or business associates.
To  be fair to ourself, we have our fair share of weakness and defects which are obvious to strangers and unseen to us.

redsinner

to me....mat saleh nih ada byk spesis dia...kalo yg baik tu, beradab betul..kalo yg jahat tuh, tak dpt di describe kan lah.

their sentiments towards us asians, especially muslims has risen since the 9/11 incident. mmg la bukan salah kite, but in a way boleh influence judgements dia to us. mcm la diaorg tu bagus sgt.

better if yg muslims tuh, amik yg baik je dari diaorg, ikut gaya idup islam yg betul. kalo dia tu kuwang ajo, tinggalkan jer. cari kawan dari europe lak. aussie tu mungkin yg tak besh nyer. yelah ingat island diaorg je beso. heheheheh...jokin jek.

to me, i buat dono je...takyah nak kenakan dia balik....tunjukkan islam nih lagi elok. mmg la ape yg dia ckp tu betul..tapi jgn la dgn tindakan kita seolah2 mengiyakan tuduhan dia tu

mysara

sara ada seorg kawan maya dari Bosnia... lebih spesifik lagi dari pristiena
kami sering bertukar2 maklumat dan perbincangan ttg agama
dia begitu dahagakan info agama Islam
sbb dia mmg asalnya dulu adalah islam
tapi lama kelamaan hanyut mcm rakyat negara komunis yg lain,
namun, natijah drpd perang Bosnia.. dia ingin mendalami agama Islam
sara ada syorkan beberapa laman web ttg Islam di malaysia
dan dia mengikutinya
English dia tidak lah baik mana
tetapi, sara mmg selesa berbincang dgnnya
selain uncle italian maya... Dren Betja adalah kawan maya sara yg sara rasa akrab..
lagipun wajahnya seiras Yazer AF3... mmg kiut

blackmore

Originally posted by getarsukma at 20-1-2006 01:02 PM
Greenbottle3...

Tq... mmg perasan bagus pun.. tp baik gak actly cuma laser x kena tempat.. once in a while he'll sms/call me.. tp depan2 he's very polite.. cuma dlm chatroom.. tu yg x paham...
...

...getarsukma...di sinilah terletaknya kelemahan ko...sifat ko nak mengajar dia dan nak 'menundukkan' dia...believe me...if u are all geared up just for this showdown...then it will only backfire kat ko balik...

...instead...aku suggest kat ko...bila korang chatting nie...kalau dia dah mula berlaku biadap dan mode kutuk dia dah on...let him ventilate apa dia nak cakap...let him kutuk seberapa yang dia nak...in the meantime...ko dengarkan ajer...relax...walaupon rasa marah ketika itu...ko cuba bawak bertenang dan bendung perasaan marah ko......take down atau note the things yang dia kutuk2 tu...from those points...ko cuba figure out what his real problem is...then do some homework or research to back u up bila ko get the chance to rebut him back...

...apa2 pon sis...u have to control your emotions and anger bila berdepan dengan rude and idiotic specimens like this guy in cyber...one way of doing this is by reminding yourself that this guy is actually a sweet guy in person (like u said)...but just nak show off jer kat cyber...heh...

...ive had few experiences myself chatting with mat salehs nie...some are ok...some are extremely nice...and there are a few yang downright vulgar...and i even had those yang appear to be nice tapi ada udang disebalik batu...hehehehe...

...the ones yang vulgar nie...eerr...ada 3 actually...2 lelaki lagik satu pompan...dalam msg dorang mesti ada the word fuch...shiit...bullshiit...without fail mesti ada...ayat2 yang happy pon mesti ada selit one of these words...hehehe...kelakar kan??..hehehe...but...dah dekat 2 tahun and we still keep in touch...walaupon dah jarang sebab aku dah lama tak masuk chat room...yang satu tu...dia ada affair ngan isteri orang...and he said the girl is a muslim lady...but not happy with the husband...and they had been sleeping together..so tanya macam2 pasal hukum adultery in islam...the last time i heard from him was in november last year...dia kata they wanted to get married...tapi dia takmo convert...cakap2 pasal dia rindu plak aku ngan dia...hehehe...vulgar..but he was a sweet guy..hehehe...

...u noe...sometimes...the things that pple do in cyber...never fail to amaze me..heh...

Greenbottle3

biasa nye kalu dah rude dalam chatroom tu..tu lah personality dia sebenar nye...waktu jumpa dia polite...ni buat2 saja...macam kucing dengan ikan depan tuan nye...bila ada peluang dia ngap juga..

so..what i say is hati2 la..but if you like it that way..well..it's a free world....

maaf, sara tertekan salah button

[ Last edited by mysara at 31-1-2006 02:39 PM ]

blackmore

Originally posted by Greenbottle3 at 23-1-2006 07:23 PM
biasa nye kalu dah rude dalam chatroom tu..tu lah personality dia sebenar nye...waktu jumpa dia polite...ni buat2 saja...macam kucing dengan ikan depan tuan nye...bila ada peluang dia ngap juga..
...

...uuwwweee???....so macam nie kira aku kat luar pon miang bley tahan jugak lerrrr???...hehehehe...cute lah hang nie greenie...makin aku sayang kat hang...:cak:

Greenbottle3

there you are...what did I tell you!....getarsokmo...you tolong la ambil  blackmore ni buat kawan ...buang saja mat salleh aussie tu....at least you can get blackmore off my back ! ha ha...

but another thought...why don't you ask your aussie guy to come into this forum...kita pakat balun dia...on any issue....