Is the Bible God's Word ? by Ahmed Deedat

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What They Say

CHRISTIANS CONFESS
Dr. W. Graham Scroggie of the MOODY BIBLE INSTITUTE, Chicago, one of the most prestigious Christian Evangelical Mission in the world, answering the question - "Is the Bible the Word of God?" (also the title of his book), under the heading: IT IS HUMAN, YET DIVINE. He says on page 17:

"Yes, the Bible is human, though some, out of a zeal which is not according to knowledge,1 have denied this. Those books2 have passed through the minds of men, are written in the language of men, were penned by the hands of men, and bear in their style the characteristics of men." (Underlinings are mine).

Another erudite Christian scholar, Kenneth Cragg, the Anglican Bishop of Jerusalem, says on page 277 of his book, "The Call of the Minaret":

"Not so the New Testament3 ... There is condensation and editing;1 there is choice, reproduction and witness. The Gospels have come through the mind of the Church behind the authors. They represent experience and history."2


If words have any meaning, do we need to add another word of comment to prove our case? No! But the professional propagandists, after letting the cat out of the bag, still have the face to try to make their readers believe that they have proved beyond the shadow of any doubt that the Bible is the "irrefragable3 Word of God." Their semantic gymnastics - equivocating, and playing with words - is amazing!

Both these Doctors of Religion are telling us in the clearest language humanly possible that the Bible is the handiwork of man, all the while pretending that they are proving to the contrary. An old Arab saying goes: "IF SUCH ARE THE PRIESTS, GOD BLESS THE CONGREGATION."

With this sort of drivel, the hot-gospeller and the Bible-thumper is "inspired" to harry the "heathen."4A theological student - a not-yet-qualified young evangelist - from the University of Witswatersrand, became a frequent visitor to the Newtown Mosque in Johannesburg, with the "noble" thought of "witnessing"5 to the members of its congregation. When I was introduced to him, (and having learnt his purpose), I invited him to lunch at my brother's residence - a stone's throw from the Mosque. While discussing the authenticity of the Bible over the dinner table and sensing his stubborn dogmatism, I put out a feeler: "Your Professor Geyser, (The Head of the Department of Theology) does not believe the Bible to be the Word of God." Without the slightest surprise he answered, "I know." Now I personally had no knowledge of the Professor's conviction about the bible. I had only assumed so from a controversy which raged around him about the "Divinity of Christ."6 He had taken issue with the orthodox believers on this point some years ago. I continued further, saying, "Your lecturer does not believe the Bible as being God's Word." The young evangelist responded again, "I know," but he continued this time with the words, "but I believe that it is the Word of God!" There is no real remedy for such people. Even Jesus bewailed this sickness:
"...seeing they see not; hearing they hear not, neither do they understand." (Matthew 13:13)


These pages are now addressed to those sincerely humble souls, who are genuinely interested in seeking the Light of God, and who wish to be guided by it. As for the other, with a sickness in their souls, the facts presented herein can only increase the disease of their hearts.

[ Last edited by zy on 12-1-2005 at 01:05 AM ]

Originally posted by zy at 2005-1-11 00:14:
What They Say

CHRISTIANS CONFESS
Dr. W. Graham Scroggie of the MOODY BIBLE INSTITUTE, Chicago, one of the most prestigious Christian Evangelical Mission in the world, answering the question - & ...

It's imitation!!

No originality!!!

What is the real language of the Bible?


p/s ~ tell me lah!

snipersnake

ahh the question of our lives...







ps- the vcd of shiekh ahmad deedad in debate with christian priest are avaliable in saba islamic centre in setiawangsa!!

nightlord

God I wish you will just increase their IQ just a tad bit.

YOU THINK ALLAH TOOK A PEN AND WROTE THE QURAN OUT AND PASSED IT TO MUHAMMAD.

Every sentence in the Quran was written by Man.

Every Quran you use is "interpreted" by Man, as no one actually understood what the first few scribes wrote down.

READ UP FIRST BEFORE YOU START A THREAD.

snipersnake

so how did god gave bible to jesus??

nightlord

God didnt give the bible to Jesus - dummy

Jesus is God in the flesh

snipersnake

than y god yelled ' my god!! why have you forsaken me'?

then, why did 'god' just scream when the jews were kickin his ass??

furthermore, which god are we talkin here? the father?the mother? the son? so many??


if the fatjer was watchin, why did he allowed his 'son' to be tortured?isnt that child abuse?or is he a sadist??

Debmey

its easy, Jesus was quoting Bible prophecy in fulfilment and making it known.

nightlord

Coz he was man made of flesh, and emotions but God in spirit.

So that he may pass on the message of God and in dying and his resurrection to show the world that God cared even for the weakest and to work towards the salvation of unbelievers like yourself.

zy

THE MUSLIMS' STANDPOINT

PRESUMPTUOUS CHRISTIANS
Whether Catholic, Protestant or a "Cultist," of the thousand - and - one - sects - and - denominations-of-Christianity, never will you find a missionary who will not prima facie, presuppose that his potential convert accepts his "Holy Bible" as the book of final authority on every religious opinion? The only answer the prospective proselyte has is to quote verses from the Bible which are contradictory to the missionary's or debate their interpretations.

THE DOGGED QUESTION
When the Muslim proves his point from the Christian's own Scripture, and when the professional priest, parson or predikant cannot refute the arguments - the inevitable Christian evasion is - "DO YOU ACCEPT THE BIBLE AS GOD'S WORD?" On the face of it, the question seems to be an easy one, but a simple "Yes" or "No" cannot be given as an answer. You see, one has first to explain one's position. But the Christian will not give one the opportunity. He gets impatient. "Answer - 'Yes or No!'" he insists. The Jews did the same to Jesus two thousand years ago, except that surprisingly he was not straitjacketed, as is the fashion today!

The reader will readily agree that things are not always either BLACK or WHITE. Between these two extremes there are various shades of GREY. If you say "Yes" to his question then it would mean that you are prepared to swallow everything HOOK, LINE and SINKER, from Genesis to Revelation from his Bible. If you respond with a "No" he quickly unhooks himself from the facts he has presented, and rallies support from his co-religionists in the audience with: You see, this man does not believe in the Bible! What right has he to expound his case from our Book?" With this hydra-like somersault he rests content that he has safely evaded the issue. What is the Muballigh to do? He has to explain his position vis-

zy

The bulk of the Bible is a witnessing of this THIRD kind. These are the words of a third person. Note the underlined pronouns. They are not the Words of God or of His prophet, but the WORDS OF A HISTORIAN.

For the Muslim it is quite easy to distinguish the above types of evidence, because he also has them in his own faith. But of the followers of the different religions, he is the most fortunate in this that his various records are contained in separate Books!
ONE:        The first kind - THE WORD OF GOD - is found in a book called The Holy Quŕ-醤.
TWO:        The second kind - THE WORDS OF THE PROPHET OF GOD, (Muhammad, may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) are recorded in the books of Tradition called The Hadith.
THREE:        Evidence of the third kind abounds in different volume of Islamic history, written by some of high integrity and learning, and others of less trustworthiness, but the Muslim advisedly keeps his Books in separate volumes!

The Muslim keeps the above three types of evidence jealously apart, in their proper gradations of authority. He never equates them. On the other hand, the "Holy Bible" contains a motley type of literature, which composes the embarrassing kind, the sordid, and the obscene - all under the same cover - A Christian is forced to concede equal spiritual import and authority to all, and is thus unfortunate in this regard.

nightlord

So are you saying the Quran was not written by a third party?

GOD DID NOT REACHED DOWN AND WROTE THE QURAN.

MUHAMMAD YOU SAY IS AN ILLITERATE SO IT CANT BE HIM.

THEN WHO DID?

WAS HE A MAN, OF COURSE.

70 years after the death of Mo.

ashna

Originally posted by nightlord at 11-1-2005 11:01 PM:
God didnt give the bible to Jesus - dummy

Jesus is God in the flesh

oooh how misleading you can be. what about buddha? isn't he's a god in flesh as well? :lol

snipersnake

Originally posted by Debmey at 11-1-2005 05:27 AM:
its easy, Jesus was quoting Bible prophecy in fulfilment and making it known.

so jesus was a victim of child abuse and some prophecy??


so y did he complained??

Debmey

he didn't complain. he was quoting psalm 22 in fulfilment of propehcy.

its amazing how psalm 22 which was written 1000 years earlier matched his crucifixion on the cross.

snipersnake

so in the propehcy he was supposed to complain???

Debmey

he didn't complain, he was crying out in anguish from the seperation for the Father when he took on the sins of the world upon himself.

snipersnake

then why must he say

'why have u forsaken me?'

Originally posted by Debmey at 12-1-2005 01:22 PM:
he didn't complain, he was crying out in anguish from the seperation for the Father when he took on the sins of the world upon himself.

I thought Jesus said if he did not go, the Helper will not come.?  Also before that he already said that he will pray to the Father to send another Helper.

John 14:30 I will not speak with you much longer, for the prince of this world is coming.

Debmey

Originally posted by snipersnake at 2005-1-12 02:14 PM:
then why must he say

'why have u forsaken me?'

its was a quotation of psalm 22, not a complain. The context of psalm 22 is very clear, the man in the psalm was not ignorant of the separation from God.
if it was a genuine complain, Jesus would have shouted in Aramaic instead of Hebrew.