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War on Christmas 2.0: ‘Jesus Never Existed’
by THOMAS D. WILLIAMS, PH.D.21 Dec 20161,428



Anti-Christmas grinches have upped the ante in the annual war on Christmas, moving beyond opposition to Nativity scenes and Wise Men to denying the very existence of Jesus.
A new article in Big Think claims that more and more, historians and bloggers alike are questioning whether the actual man called Jesus existed.”

Trendy atheists like Richard Dawkins and the late Christopher Hitchens also dabbled in the denial of the historical Jesus, with Dawkins asserting that it is possible “to mount a serious, though not widely supported, historical case that Jesus never lived at all, and Hitchens averring that Jesus’ existence is “highly questionable.”

Many of the writings we do have are “tainted,” Philip Perry now pronounces in Big Think, and historical sources are few. Even in the bible, Perry writes, “whole chunks of his life are missing. Jesus goes from age 12 to 30, without any word of what happened in-between.”

“What we do have are lots of sources completed several decades after the fact, by authors of the gospels who wanted to promote the faith,” he writes.

Moreover, the “gospels themselves are contradictory,” he adds, with “competing Easter stories” and no real names attached to many of them, “but rather an apostle’s who ‘signing off’ on the manuscript.” There is also “evidence that the gospels were heavily edited over the years.”

Perry does acknowledge that Roman historians Josephus and Tacitus do make “a few, scant remarks about his life,” but that was a century after Jesus’s time, he says, and their testimony could have been tampered with by Christians.

While holding that “the historical record itself is thin,” meaning that there are “no birth records, no trial transcripts, no death certificates,” Perry fails to note the very obvious fact that we actually have very little evidence for anyone in the ancient world, especially if the person wasn’t an emperor, general or aristocrat.

As one more sensible atheist has written, we possess “about as much evidence for Jesus as we have for other, analogous preachers and prophets of his time. In fact, we have slightly more for him than most.”

Atheist scholar Tim O’Neill notes that almost all non-Christian scholars fully accept evidence from Tacitus and Josephus, “as being evidence that Jesus was, in fact, a historical figure.”

“The mentions of him by those writers are exactly what would we expect if someone like Jesus existed,” he observes.

Or as Dr. James Kennedy, himself a Christian, has written: “The evidence is all on Christianity’s side. Let’s take a tally: twenty seven books of the New Testament, nineteen pagan writers, and three Jewish writers testify to Jesus Christ’s historical reality.”

In point of fact, we “know” Jesus of Nazareth really existed just as far as we can know any historical fact. That is to say, none of us was present on the earth two thousand years ago to empirically verify Jesus’ existence, so we must rely on the historical record. But the historical record is as conclusive as we could possibly hope for, and much better than the record of many people whose existence no one doubts.

As Theodore Dalrymple noted some years ago in The City Journal: “If I questioned whether George Washington died in 1799, I could spend a lifetime trying to prove it and find myself still, at the end of my efforts, having to make a leap, or perhaps several leaps, of faith in order to believe the rather banal fact that I had set out to prove.”

In other words, when it comes to history, what you believe depends on what you are willing to believe.

Christians may take some consolation in the fact that more than 2,000 years after his birth, Jesus Christ continues to stir up debate and controversy.

Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/12/21/war-christmas-2-0-jesus-never-existed/


semoga tohang zoit melaknat mereka semua kerana menafikan kewujudan nabi isa  

since nabi isa tak wujud, siapa akan bunuh babi & patahkan salib apb kiamat?  
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Post time 21-12-2016 10:21 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Satu perkongsian ilmu yg menarik.. diharap arest menjadi miderator
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hijrah8 replied at 21-12-2016 10:21 PM
Satu perkongsian ilmu yg menarik.. diharap arest menjadi miderator

nampaknya ada yg sudah panas....... apasal tak mengadu pada tohang zoit?  
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Atheist..1 replied at 21-12-2016 10:22 PM
nampaknya ada yg sudah panas....... apasal tak mengadu pada tohang zoit?

Panas simbolnya inikan
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A Growing Number of Scholars Are Questioning the Historic Existence of Jesus
December 20, 2016  by PHILIP PERRY


An Orthodox Church in Belarus during Easter. Getty Images.
Christmas is a time of year where people are supposed to put aside their differences and come together to celebrate in peace, love, and understanding. Though few question the traditions of the season, many of them predate Christianity in Europe. A lot was borrowed from the Norse tradition of Yule—the celebration of the winter solstice. Others originate with the Roman festival of Saturnalia. Ancient pagans brought pine branches into their houses, lit up the night with bonfires and candles, gave gifts, and burned the yule log.  

Even Santa Claus comes from a variety of sources. Of course one of them is St. Nicolaus of Turkey. But earlier renditions look far more like the iconography associated with Odin or the Anglo-Saxon god, Woden. Ancient proselytizers when converting the continent found it was much easier if people could keep their traditions, and merely put a Christian stamp on them. And that’s how these were incorporated into the season. Some even question whether or not Jesus was born on December 25. The Orthodox Church for example celebrates Christmas on January seventh, as according to the Julian calendar which predates the Gregorian, a date they claim is more accurate.  

Today more and more, historians and bloggers alike are questioning whether the actual man called Jesus existed. Unfortunately, many of the writings we do have are tainted, the authors being religious scholars or atheists with an axe to grind. One important point is the lack of historical sources. In the bible, whole chunks of his life are missing. Jesus goes from age 12 to 30, without any word of what happened in-between.  

Historians have measures in terms of a burden of proof. If an author for instance is writing about a subject more than 100 years after it occurred, it isn’t considered valid. Another important metric is the validity of authorship. If the author cannot be clearly established, it makes the record far less reliable.

What we do have are lots of sources completed several decades after the fact, by authors of the gospels who wanted to promote the faith. The gospels themselves are contradictory. For instance, they tell competing Easter stories. Another problem, there aren’t any real names attached to many of them, but rather an apostle’s who “signing off” on the manuscript. There is also evidence that the gospels were heavily edited over the years.


Some accounts of the Christmas story have no mention of the star or even the three wise men.

St. Paul is the only one to write about events chronologically. Even then, few facts about Jesus are divulged. Paul’s Epistles rest on the “Heavenly Jesus,” but never mention the living man. For such an important revolutionary and religious figure, there are surprisingly no eyewitness counts. And the writings we do have are biased. Roman historians Josephus and Tacitus do make a few, scant remarks about his life. But that was a century after Jesus’s time. So they may have garnered their information from early Christians. And those threadbare accounts are controversial too, since the manuscripts had been altered over time by Christian scribes whose job it was to preserve them.

Today, several books approach the subject, including Zealot by Reza Aslan, Nailed: Ten Christian Myths That Show Jesus Never Existed at All by David Fitzgerald, and How Jesus Became God by Bart Ehrman. Historian Richard Carrier in his 600 page monograph: On the Historicity of Jesus, writes that the story may have derived from earlier semi-divine beings from Near East myth who were murdered by demons in the celestial realm. This would develop over time into the gospels, he said. Another theory is that Jesus was a historical figure who become mythicized later on.

Carrier believes the pieces added to the work of Josephus were done by Christian scribes. In one particular passage, Carrier says that the execution by Pilate of Jesus was obviously lifted from the Gospel of Luke. Similar problems such as miscopying and misrepresentations are found throughout Tacitus. So where do all the stories in the New Testament derive? According to Carrier, Jesus may be as much a mythical figure as Hercules or Oedipus.

Ehrman focuses on the lack of witnesses. “What sorts of things do pagan authors from the time of Jesus have to say about him? Nothing. As odd as it may seem, there is no mention of Jesus at all by any of his pagan contemporaries. There are no birth records, no trial transcripts, no death certificates; there are no expressions of interest, no heated slanders, no passing references – nothing.”


According to universal archetypes, dying on a hill is a prerequisite for becoming a mythic hero.

The Rank-Raglan Mythotype is a set of traits that heroes across cultures share. There are 22 of them including a virgin birth, the audience knowing little to nothing about his childhood, being the son of god, dying on a hilltop, and the mysterious disappearance of his remains. Jesus meets 20 of the traits total. In fact, no one else meets the hero archetype quite as well.

One biblical scholar holds an even more radical idea, that Jesus story was an early form of psychological warfare to help quell a violent insurgency. The Great Revolt against Rome occurred in 66 BCE. Fierce Jewish warriors known as the Zealots won two decisive victories early on. But Rome returned with 60,000 heavily armed troops. What resulted was a bloody war of attrition that raged for three decades.

Atwill contends that the Zealots were awaiting the arrival of a warrior messiah to throw off the interlopers. Knowing this, the Roman court under Titus Flavius decided created their own, competing messiah who promoted pacifism amongst the populous. According to Atwill, the story of Jesus was taken from many sources, including the campaigns of a previous Caesar.     

Of course, there may very well have been a Rabbi Yeshua ben Yosef (as would have been Jesus’s real name) who gathered a flock around his teachings in the first century. Most antiquarians believe a real man existed and became mythicized. But the historical record itself is thin.

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http://bigthink.com/philip-perry ... -existence-of-jesus


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Atheist..1 replied at 21-12-2016 10:28 PM
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Islam pon mengiktiraf kewujudan Nabi Isa....
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IS THIS THE FIRST PICTURE OF CHRIST? Experts say 2,000-year-old lead tablets containing portrait of Jesus found in remote cave are genuine
Incredibly, experts say the tablets date from within a few years of Jesus' ministry

BY SAM WEBB  30th November 2016, 4:21 pm

AN ancient set of lead tablets showing the earliest portrait of Jesus Christ have proved to be around 2,000 years old, according to experts.

The metal “pages”, held together like a ring binder, were found in Jordan in around 2008 and make reference to Christ and his disciples.


New testament… An ancient set of lead tablets show the earliest portrait of Jesus Christ

The portrait of Jesus. The metal ‘pages’ are held together like a ring binder and were found in Jordan in 2008

The lead has been analysed and the words and symbols translated and experts say the tablets date from within a few years of Jesus’ ministry.

And what they reveal could be enlightening not only for Christians, but also Jews and Muslims – the other ‘Abrahamic faiths’.

The tablets suggest that Christ was not starting his own religion, but restoring a thousand year old tradition from the time of King David.

And the God he worshipped was both male and female.


Experts say the document is 2,000 years old

Central to the books is the idea that Christ promoted worship in Solomon’s Temple where the very face of God was believed to be seen – and this is where the episode with the moneylenders in the Bible came from.

One of the books bears resemblance to how the Book of Revelations is described as it has seven seals.

The books are known as codices – types of bound manuscripts distinct from scrolls – and among them is an image of Jesus himself.

Authors David and Jennifer Elkington have been campaigning since 2009 for the codices to be recognised and protected but say evangelical Christians are trying to brand them fakes.

They were apparently discovered by Hassan Saeda, an Israeli Bedouin, who according to some reports was given them by his grandfather, and by others that he discovered them in a flood.

David Elkington, 54, of Gloucestershire, says he is now trying to prevent the codices from being sold on the black market.

In 2011 Elkington announced their discovery on BBC News and the world’s press followed it up. But a number of scholars came forward to brand them fakes, most without ever seeing the codices.

But now high-tech tests conducted by Prof Roger Webb and Prof Chris Jeynes at the University of Surrey’s Nodus Laboratory at the Ion Beam Centre, confirm that a codex, lent to the Elkingtons by the Department of Antiquities in Amman for testing, is compatible with a comparative sample of ancient Roman lead unearthed from an excavation site in Dorset.


Game changer… It is the earliest known paleo-hebrew mention of Jesus

Further crystallisation analysis indicates that the codex is likely to be between 1800-2000 years old.

Elkington said: “Jesus was seeking to restore the Temple. To put back that which had been lost in the reforms that came before his time.”

Dr Hugh Schonfield, one of the most eminent authorities ever to work on the Dead Sea Scrolls, predicted that a metal book would be found: as he recognised that one had been described in a scroll called The Damascus Document – a description that fits precisely one of the codices.

His conclusion was that Christianity was based within the Hebrew Temple. Dr Schonfield, who was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize, also described himself as a Jewish-Christian, a view that he held because of his work on the scrolls.

WHY IS THIS FIND SO IMPORTANT?
Although Christ is referred to outside of the Gospels, for example by the Roman writer Tacitus, these would be the earliest and only Hebrew-Christian documents in existence - and linguistic and metallurgical analysis now suggests they are.

Analysis of the script by scholars has confirmed that the language of the codices is Paleo-Hebrew. The codices are covered in eight-pointed stars, symbolic of the coming of the messiah, and they mention the name of Jesus.
They also contain the names of apostles James, Peter and John.
According to the Elkingtons the books suggest Christ was part of a Hebrew sect dating back 1,000 years to King David, who worshipped in the Temple of Solomon and believed in a male-female God.
In the Bible Jesus is referred to as a ‘tekton’ which is usually translated as ‘carpenter’ but actually means a skilled craftsman and could refer to the skill of producing such works in metal.
In traditional Christian icons he is often shown carrying a sealed book – a codex.

“A part of the older tradition of the Temple was the Divine Feminine – known to Christians as the Holy Spirit. Jesus had women involved in his ministry.

“At the height of his ministry, the gospels tell us that Jesus challenged the moneychangers in the temple. The codices appear to reveal what happened afterwards – a chapter missing from the gospels.

It would appear that Christianity was founded upon what Jesus did in the temple: a place where many Jews believed God actually resided. Jesus went into the Temple to renew a covenant with God.”

If the codices are genuine, as the metal and writing suggests they are, they provide new insight into the life of Christ.

While the codices do not contradict any of the established narrative they place greater emphasis on the physical temple, of the belief in the divine feminine and in Christ's role in protecting a lineage of Hebrews rather than being the founder of his own movement.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2298142/first-ever-written-mention-of-jesus-confirmed-as-experts-say-2000-year-old-lead-tablets-found-in-remote-cave-are-genuine/





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Post time 21-12-2016 10:52 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Skuau replied at 21-12-2016 10:49 PM
Islam pon mengiktiraf kewujudan Nabi Isa....

Ilmu yg acong berikan sungguh bernilai.. mod
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Atheist..1 replied at 21-12-2016 10:52 PM
IS THIS THE FIRST PICTURE OF CHRIST? Experts say 2,000-year-old lead tablets containing portrait of  ...

Jadi geologist mencari bukti.. terharu sungguh
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Skuau replied at 21-12-2016 10:49 PM
Islam pon mengiktiraf kewujudan Nabi Isa....

apakah bukti nabi isa wujud?   
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Atheist..1 replied at 21-12-2016 11:00 PM
apakah bukti nabi isa wujud?

Kiten kerun melin selep ireng medei medei yunno
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Acong bila kita boleh bercengkarama.. aku sayang pdmu.. aku mahu kau melahirkan anakku..
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The Flood of Noah and the Flood of Gilgamesh

http://www.icr.org/article/noah-flood-gilgamesh/


apakah kitab bible disadur aka cetak rompak dari Epic Gilgamesh?

COMPARISON OF GENESIS AND GILGAMESH
         
                                        GENESIS                                GILGAMESH
Extent of flood                  Global                                    Global
Cause                               Man's wickedness                  Man's sins
Intended for whom?          All mankind                            One city & all mankind
Sender                             Yahweh                                   Assembly of "gods"
Name of hero                   Noah                                       Utnapishtim
Hero's character               Righteous                                Righteous
Means of announcement   Direct from God                       In a dream
Ordered to build boat?      Yes                                          Yes
Did hero complain?           Yes                                          Yes
Height of boat                   Several stories (3)                   Several stories (6)
Compartments inside?        Many                                      Many
Doors                                One                                         One
Windows                           At least one                             At least one
Outside coating                 Pitch                                        Pitch
Shape of boat                    Rectangular                             Square
Human passengers            Family members only               Family & few others
Other passengers              All species of animals               All species of animals
Means of flood                   Ground water & heavy rain       Heavy rain
Duration of flood                Long (40 days & nights plus)    Short (6 days & nights)
Test to find land                 Release of birds                        Release of birds
Types of birds                    Raven & three doves                 Dove, swallow, raven
Ark landing spot                Mountain -- Mt. Ararat                Mountain -- Mt. Nisir
Sacrificed after flood?        Yes, by Noah                              Yes, by Utnapishtim
Blessed after flood?            Yes                                            Yes
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Atheist..1 replied at 21-12-2016 11:31 PM
The Flood of Noah and the Flood of Gilgamesh

http://www.icr.org/article/noah-flood-gilgamesh/

Engkau sungguh pandai.. sudahlah wajah mu subgguh jelita aku jatuh cinta padamu.
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Post time 21-12-2016 11:36 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Idiots. Isa was a carpenter before he began preaching
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b!natang replied at 21-12-2016 11:36 PM
Idiots. Isa was a carpenter before he began preaching

Nanti nak ajak acong sopping kat kedai bundle beli spenda byk byk.. kat kedainsabbath shallom kedai bundle
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Post time 21-12-2016 11:40 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Marilah kita memadu kasih sayangku acong
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Post time 22-12-2016 12:29 AM | Show all posts
Pengkaji atheis bongok bongok semua. Hahahaha

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