[MERGED]-Debmey: SHOW PROOF THAT PROPHET MOHAMMAD IS A PAEDOPHILE?

Fuzzman

C'mon Debmey don't flatter yourself with false pretences and ludacrises. If I was the definate loser in here, how is it that you're not progressing anywhere with your brand of rebuttal? LOL

To the point, you even have time to hallucinate Fuzzman having nicks? I must really be working you over really hard, with one mother of a headache on the paedo charge, til your eyes don't read right? LOL

Take my advice Debmey. Leave the Christian faith like I did. I did it because I couldn't find the rebuttal for the 2:23, the paedo charge, Trinity and more more more of it. The worst of the lot was trying to convince myself, over others of the difficulty and stupidity of Trinity.

You quoted Tabari, in which was clearly stated in the conversation with Kaulah, the prophet of Islam chose a maiden over a non-maiden? So what do you understand of that? How old can a maiden be?

Let me clue you in aight! When Jacob was was having a hard-on for Rachel, she was just a little girl, mind you at a very young age of 7. Do you approve? Shucks I thought not! Rachel was not considered a maiden at that time. That's the cue and clue.

You  have to now deny the paedo charge for Jacob because [dig this] the end product of the paedo unnification of Jacob and Rachel led to Mary, [yeah gotcha there Debbo!!] the mother of Jesus. Now you're at a stalemate because if you finger Mohammad [when you don't know the actual age of marriage to Aishah] ,then you are as good as fingering Jacob [aww, we know Rachel's definately 7 years old] for the same paedo charge!!!

Let's get all dirty mate. Let's talk Jubair!

You wanna go down that road dawg?

ARI FUZZMAN

[ Last edited by  Fuzzman at 20-7-2007 02:20 PM ]

Debmey

Really? prove it here. chapter and verse please.

Fuzzman

Originally posted by Debmey at 20-7-2007 03:21 PM
Really? prove it here. chapter and verse please.

How old was Jacob when he kissed Rachel the first time he saw her? At the moment of the kiss in Genesis 29:11, how old was Jacob and Rachel? Let me clue you in. Jacob was in Middle to Old Age and Rachel was a very young girl. So how old would you take a "young girl" to be? The source states Rachel to be a "girl" - not maiden or lady!

You will say that the Bible never mentions the age of Rachel. You have to because it is neccessary to protect your biased interests aight? Let me help you some more. In Genesis 29:9, Rachel was a shepherdess for the sheep herd of her father's. Young children were tasked with chores to reflect their simple lifes.  

Surely, children in Bible times had a lot to do. As they grew, boys were given practical training by their fathers in agriculture or in a trade, such as carpentry. (Genesis 37:2; 1 Samuel 16:11) While at home, girls were taught by their mothers the domestic arts that would be of value in adult life. Rachel, Jacob's wife, was a shepherdess when she was a young girl. (Genesis 29:6-9) Young women worked in the fields during the grain harvest and in the vineyards. (Ruth 2:5-9; Song of Solomon 1:6)* Such work was generally done under loving parental supervision and was combined with education.

At the same time, young children in Israel knew the joy of relaxation and amusements. The prophet Zechariah spoke of 'public squares of the city being filled with boys and girls playing.' (Zechariah 8:5) And Jesus Christ mentioned young children sitting in the marketplaces who played the flute and danced. (Matthew 11:16, 17) What was behind such dignified treatment of children?
[ The source: http://www.watchtower.org/e/19990522/article_01.htm ]

So does that make Jacob a paedophile too? Hahahaha.

Since we're on a role on the subject of paedophilia, why is it that you make a lot of noise over an accusation you cannot prove while you overlook paedophilia that's rampant in the Church system today? Beats me Debmey but I'm glad I left the Church and Christianity. You should do the same too you know! Hahahaha.

While we wait for you to answer, here's a juicy behinder read sent to me by my Moslem convert brother, a Church pastor from Scotland. Enjoy the read Debmey. It's got your name on it. Hahaahaha.

The juicy link sent by ex-pastor Muhammad Nor McFernie : http://www.freechurch.org/issues/2002/april02.htm
[Juicy excerpts highlighted by Fuzzman.]

Priests, Paedophiles and Protestants
David Robertson

1) Most American churches being accused of child sexual abuse are Protestant. Over the past ten years an average of 70 churches per week have been accused of child abuse.

2) It is not just Roman Catholic clergy who are involved in this. For example the Episcopal Church in the US has the same proportion of child sex scandals as the Catholic - yet it allows its priests to be married and to have children. Furthermore, according to Leadership Journal, there a number of prominent Protestant churches in the Midwest and South who are currently facing accusations of criminal sexual conduct.

If you detest paedophilia, make known now your sickening despair of it unless ye be one thyself!

Now back to business. Kaulah made mention of a young girl or maiden in the conversation to Prophet Mohammad? In return, Prophet Mohammad asked about the maiden? That asked of Prophet Mohammad be a young girl or maiden?

ARI FUZZMAN

Debmey

Really?
Let us examine Genesis 29:6-9 shall we?     


6 Then Jacob asked them, "Is he well?"
      "Yes, he is," they said, "and here comes his daughter Rachel with the sheep."

    7 "Look," he said, "the sun is still high; it is not time for the flocks to be gathered. Water the sheep and take them back to pasture."

    8 "We can't," they replied, "until all the flocks are gathered and the stone has been rolled away from the mouth of the well. Then we will water the sheep."

    9 While he was still talking with them, Rachel came with her father's sheep, for she was a shepherdess.

Where does it say that Rachel was a little girl like Aisha? Where Fuzzy?
No wonder you never posted the verses here.

cheers

Fuzzman

Don't worry Debmey. I'm not like you in that if things don't sound right I agree. That's the chasm between you and me that all who follow will see. You are right when you say Rachel's age was never mentioned. The irony of it. Rachel is young at the time Jacob kissed her and the stragest part is that Rachel's age was never mentioned. Not once. Strange? on the other hand, Aishah's age is mentioned all over the place but the time chronology is inaacurate because her time with her first suitor named Jubair was never put on record? Rachel's age is erased to delete paedophilia while Aishah's purported age is repetitive to suggest paedophilia.

Since Rachle's age was never revealed at all [very strange indeed!], we have to make do with the nearest source that could shed light on this subject.

Unlike you I provide many avenues of similiar proofs and below is another to depict the likely age of Rachel at the time of Jacob's first kiss with her.

I'm sure you would be comfortable with a Christian source that for you would sooth your rumblings of suspicion and dispairity. I now give you DCL ,acronymn for  Digital Christian Library. I hope you will not or never say that this source is not worthy of consideration.

The link: http://www.thedcl.org/

The article's link: http://www.thedcl.org/christia/h/harrisev/lkwoftb/chap01.html

Highlights from that link are:
LEAH THE UNWANTED WIFE WHO BECAME THE MOTHER OF ISRAEL'S TRIBES.

Do you know Laban the son of Nahor?" inquired the stranger. "We know him well, and here comes his daughter Rachel with his sheep," said the shepherds. Down the road, dressed in gay Oriental colors, appeared a young girl, the spring sunshine encircling her head, promise of real beauty in her radiant face. Quickly the traveler walked to meet her, and bowed to the ground in greeting. "I am Jacob, son of Isaac and his wife Rebekah, your father's sister; my mother has sent me to visit your father."

Now if you read on you will be surprising similiarities in the marriage celebrations and traditions that mirrors those of the Prophet Mohammad and Aishah.

ARI FUZZMAN

Debmey

where? where is the proof fuzzy? no proof again?

Fuzzman

Originally posted by Debmey at 23-7-2007 01:24 AM
where? where is the proof fuzzy? no proof again?

Are you calling the Digital Christian Library a fraud outfit? Debmey's so screwed up to the point he doesn't even trust Christian sources now. Cheers!!! Ahahahaha.

ARI FUZZMAN

Debmey

did i say that? nope?

where did the DCL mention anything about Rachel's age? please show us.

Fuzzman

Originally posted by Debmey at 23-7-2007 01:44 AM
did i say that? nope?
where did the DCL mention anything about Rachel's age? please show us.

Matter of fact they did mention "something" about Rachel's age Debmey. They sorta focused that age into an age quardrant for us. Dig this debmey. DCL said Rachel was a very pretty young girl returning with her father's flock of sheep. For me that's proof enough she's a young girl. As far as we know, young girls should be in the age range of say perhaps 3 years to 9 years old. It was a traditional practice then for children to tend to the family's animals. And on another note, Rachel definately had to be a young girl because after she got peckered by Jacob, she ran all the way back home to tell daddy about her getting peckered on the way back from tendeing the flock.

You're the expert on ages of young girls aren't you? Why the difficulty in nailing home the approximate age of Rachel then? Hahaha. I like it when you start stalling, it shows you're putting on the FMB Syndrome. I know you cannot accept paedophilia when it comes to knock on someone from your Bible. To make matters worse that paedophile spawned the lineage right up to Mother Mary, the mother of [you got it!] Jesus. I trust this Christian source don't you? It's the DIGITAL CHRISTIAN LIBRARY for crying out loud in the wilderness!! hahahaha. Cheers dawg!

ARI FUZZMAN

Oreng

The way Debmey responds, look like he is a sissy !

Debmey

Originally posted by Fuzzman at 23-7-2007 08:59 AM

Matter of fact they did mention "something" about Rachel's age Debmey. They sorta focused that age into an age quardrant for us. Dig this debmey. DCL said Rachel was a very pretty young girl re ...

Young girl can be 12 years old. In Hebrew tradition, girls are of marriageable age over over 12, no younger.

Fuzzman

You can't be flip-flopping whenever and however you choose to be Debmey. DCL's legit and they precisely said that Rachel was a "very pretty young girl". You pack an oversized brain for a minimum wage skull, so you tell me my dubious fren. How old can a "very pretty young girl" be?

ARI FUZZMAN

Debmey

There is a huge difference between a 9 and 12 year old girls.
Mohd is paedophile alright for marrying a 6 year old Aisha and having sex with her when she was only 9 years old.

Fuzzman

Originally posted by Debmey at 2-10-2007 10:27 AM
There is a huge difference between a 9 and 12 year old girls. Mohd is paedophile alright for marrying a 6 year old Aisha and having sex with her when she was only 9 years old.

You're boring us all to death with your dready old same songs from your gramophone's blast-from-the-past Debmey. Can't you try something new? If you say there's a huge difference between a maiden and a non-maiden, then only we've got something to chew on, but trying to draw the definitive line between a close-call of ages before twelve years old for young girls is a feat to be defeated. Bottom line says that there just ain't no difference between ages before the onset of puberty.

So again how old is a pretty young girl made out to be?

ARI FUZZMN

Obersliutenant

actually i dont think you should go any further to explain your stance to a publicly 'braindead person Fuzzman. You dont learn or gain anything from arguing with this egghead.  If he enjoys bathing in crap, doesnt mean you have to take his invitation...

You deserve a more higher quality of discussion Fuzzman.

Fuzzman

Thanks LT for the thoughts. You can see very clearly that Debmey CANNOT AND WILL NOT be able to prove that Prophet Mohammad is a paedophile as presumably accused. If Debmey could we wouldn't be on page 78 would we? That's a definate "ONE DOWNER" for the Christian effort of running down the Prophet of Islam.

ARI FUZZMAN

barney50

Frankly speaking as a prophet of GOD Mohammed showed a bad example for some Muslims in the 21st century. Old Muslims as old as 70 plus are raping their own grand daughters as young as 6 years old. This is happening in our own country what more about other Muslim countries which do not hear but that does not mean it is not happening. Just some moths ago a religious teacher was arrested for raping and molesting young girls and boys under his care. Please do be offended but that is the truth. If you question them they would turn around and say if the prophet had done why can't they? It is like following the sunnah of their prophet so can you blame them?

Fuzzman

Rest assured I'm not offended nor do I take parley in your discern. As a Moslem, I feel I must allow you to voice your distaste and consequent disdain on anything Islam. However I'd prefer you don't post for the sake of posting. The prophet of Islam is much more than what you take him to be face value. You're not Moslem as I a ex-Christian am now, so I do not expect you to know him for his true worth.

I asked Debmey for answers on the issue of the age chasm between Rachel and Jacob but was given the cold case treatment [as usual] by dear Debmey. It is not that I do not have respect for Jacob for after all Jacob is in Quran too! Let me recycle that question that I put to Debmey in another light. When Jesus asked them men who wanted to stone Mary Magdalene for being a whore, to cast their stones if they be without sin, does that make Jesus a whore lover?

ARI FUZZMAN

Debmey

Age chasm between Jacob and Rachel? Really? What chasm?
You mean you have given up on defending Mohd's paedophilia by having sex with a 9 year old aisha? You gave uo so easily?

Fuzzman

Originally posted by Debmey at 8-10-2007 03:15 AM
Age chasm between Jacob and Rachel? Really? What chasm?
You mean you have given up on defending Mohd's paedophilia by having sex with a 9 year old aisha? You gave uo so easily?

To you I only need to know this: How old do you think a "pretty young girl" would probably be by today's standards?

ARI FUZZMAN