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[MERGED]-Debmey: SHOW PROOF THAT PROPHET MOHAMMAD IS A PAEDOPHILE?

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Post time 5-7-2007 10:57 AM | Show all posts
Another from Webster

Definition of Consummate
Con`sum磎ate   Pronunciation: kǒn`sŭm磎鉻
a. 1. Carried to the utmost extent or degree; of the highest quality; complete; perfect.
The little band held the post with consummate tenacity.
- Motley
v. t. 1. To bring to completion; to raise to the highest point or degree; to complete; to finish; to perfect; to achieve.
[imp. & p. p. Consummated (kǒn"sŭm*mā`tĕd); p. pr. & vb. n. Consummating (kǒn"sŭm*mā`tĭng).]

http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition/Consummate
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Post time 5-7-2007 11:01 AM | Show all posts
DEFINITION OF THE WORD TRANSLATED AS "CONSUMMATE"

In Sahih Bukhari, vol. 7, #64, the root word used is "dakhala".  From the Hans-Wehr Arabic-English Dictionary p273, it means "to enter, to pierce, to penetrate, to consummate the marriage, cohabit, sleep with a woman".

When we go back to the Arabic, the meaning is very clear. There can be no other meaning other than sex in this context.

[ Last edited by  Debmey at 5-7-2007 11:02 AM ]
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Post time 5-7-2007 02:57 PM | Show all posts
1. The full hadith translation :

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65 Narrated 'Aisha that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)."

This hadith clearly say about the subject matter of time frame when was Aishah RA begin to live together with the Prophet, ie from she was 9 years old and remained for 9 years. It is less logical to assume the hadith refers to sexual intercouse and then mention how long she remained with the prophet. It is more logical if we see it as the beginning of living together and remain for 9 years.

Try replacing the phrase "consummate the marriage" with "sexual intercourse", like this :

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65 Narrated 'Aisha that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he has sexual intercourse when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)."

It does not make sense and the subject matter is broken in the middle, not related at all, ie first there is a mention of having sex and then how long she remain with the prophet. It is logical if it refers to when Aisha started to living together with the prophet and remained for 9 years.

2. The word dakhala has many meanings but you choose the onet hat suit your bad thought.

[ Last edited by  Oreng at 5-7-2007 02:58 PM ]
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Post time 5-7-2007 03:55 PM | Show all posts
it made perfect sense.
I asked and Arab, the hadith meant mohd had sex with aisha when she was 9 years old.
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Post time 5-7-2007 04:30 PM | Show all posts
You asked what kind of Arab.
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Post time 5-7-2007 10:44 PM | Show all posts
native arab.
You asked who? muslim apologist that dunno arab?
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Post time 6-7-2007 09:01 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Debmey at 5-7-2007 10:44 PM
native arab.
How come that native arab dont know the various meanings of that particular arabic word ?
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Post time 6-7-2007 12:49 PM | Show all posts

Reply #1874 Oreng's post

He might have asked from MEMRI or a christian arab.
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Post time 6-7-2007 01:15 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Oreng at 3-7-2007 09:30 AM
No sex mentioned. At 6 years old, after the marriage, the prophet did not stay together with Aishah. Only at 9 then only both live in the same house, when only then the marriage is considered com ...



Why did he marry her in the first place?
Wht is wrong if they have/had sex,..they are lawfully wedded husband n wife mah!
53 years old man married to a 6 years old.  Those lawless/uncivilized centuries, 6, 9, 46, widow, slaves, child/minor all are permissable...man considered to be saving these people lives from dont know what...

You do this in today's world...6,9,12,...Paedophile, 15..is a crime=rape even with consent...huhu..dont  knw wht  i am blabbering here abt..but this curious mind of mine cant just simply be tamed!
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Post time 6-7-2007 02:41 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by oceana at 6-7-2007 01:15 PM
Why did he marry her in the first place?
You mean the marriage is for sex ? The marriage between the prophet at 25 with Khadijah's 40 for sex ? The marriage of the prophet with other wives for sex ? Everybody get married because of sex ? The prophet had advised muslim man to approach sex with cautious. So, if at 9 years old, Aisha is not suitable for sex, the prophet would not do it. Nobody knows because the matter is not for us to know and for them to reveal. And the hadiths are not mentioning sex.
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Post time 6-7-2007 10:24 PM | Show all posts
marriage won't be complete w/o sex would it? You mean mohd never had sex with his many wives?
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Post time 6-7-2007 10:27 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Debmey at 6-7-2007 10:24 PM
marriage won't be complete w/o sex would it? You mean mohd never had sex with his many wives?


debmey

If you were PM what say you
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Post time 6-7-2007 11:01 PM | Show all posts
PM? What PM?
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Post time 6-7-2007 11:04 PM | Show all posts

PM? What PM?

Prophet Mohamad
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Post time 6-7-2007 11:09 PM | Show all posts
oh I thot prime minister.

I won't be mohd, too immoral.
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Post time 7-7-2007 09:25 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Debmey at 6-7-2007 10:24 PM
marriage won't be complete w/o sex would it? You mean mohd never had sex with his many wives?
Yes, marriage is not complete without sex, but not sex alone. Marriage without living together is also considered not complete. marriage without lost of love is also considered not complete. But the point is it is not necessarily a couple immediately have sex upon marriage. The same with love, some couple develope full love for each other only after years of marriage. For us outsider of any couple, knowing the couple live together happily and lovingly and having children  is enough to consider the marriage complete. We dont have to know whether they have sex or not. It is not our business, unless to persons who are obsessed with sex like you dumbmey.
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Post time 7-7-2007 01:24 PM | Show all posts
so marriage does involve sex then.
Good. point proven.
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Post time 7-7-2007 01:28 PM | Show all posts

Reply #1884 Debmey's post

Of course,

Then your parents didn't have sex together when they got married?.Then, how come you existed?
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Post time 7-7-2007 03:51 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by eastrun at 7-7-2007 01:28 PM
Of course,

Then your parents didn't have sex together when they got married?.Then, how come you existed?


debmey mean............

marriage involve sex.........

mohamad marry the girl.....

marry=sex then mohamad have sex with the girl which you all say no...

then debmey ask why is there a contradiction?
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Post time 8-7-2007 09:44 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Debmey at 6-7-2007 11:09 PM
oh I thot prime minister.

I won't be mohd, too immoral.


U moron, ur bible full of filthy immoral stories!! U havent proved aisya's age yet. Im waiting.
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