Paul invented his own religion

hERICtic_algon

See, here is the rub. We deal with Christians who read their Bibles literally to understand literally what Bible God wants them to know about His plan for their lives here on the surface of the planet earth. These Christians insist that if there is one error in the Bible then the whole entire Bible must be discarded as unreliable. That is why they fight hook line and sinker each time we provide an error. It means the whole Bible has to be thrown away.   LOL LOL LOL

Debmey

Really? Where did we say that? Please show us.

hERICtic_algon

The problems were clear to me when I had nothing but the Bible to read, and when I was a teenager. No biased or deceptive minds to be found within fifty miles of the church. Isn't it just as strange to you that ONLY certain kinds of material written or sermons given by Paul would survive and make it into the modern Bible? Doesn't it amaze you that Paul doesn't speak of a physical, flesh-and-blood Jesus who went there and did that and said this and ate bread and drank wine like the Jesus we read about in the Gospels? You couldn't make much of a movie about the Pauline Jesus, could you? It seems VERY odd to me.

Debmey

Sure muslim boy.
Problem is, you can't fool anyone here that you were an ex Christian.

cheers

hERICtic_algon

I already proof enough. I already read the hold bible.
And I can challenge you to question me anything from the bible.
And I will refute you every single question.

Debmey

I don't think so, i have proven that you have not even read the Bible before.
You don't even know the basic beliefs and you take things deliberately out of context muslim boy.

cheers

hERICtic_algon

Originally posted by Debmey at 25-1-2007 09:10 AM
I don't think so, i have proven that you have not even read the Bible before.
You don't even know the basic beliefs and you take things deliberately out of context muslim boy.

cheers

Well I see you dare not to take up my challenge then I presume you chicken out.

Ok then I believe no christian dare to take my challenge. Debmey already raising the WHITE flag.

Any other pious christian out there dare to take my challenge.

Debmey

You dare not take any of my challenge, why shld anyone take yours? ahahahahahahhaha..........

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Debmey, why not you tell me, why Tertullian who was Paul follower left trinity and create his own religion.

Debmey

What do you mean by follower? Tertullian never knew Paul nor met him.
You don't even knowwhat you are talking about mr.iman.

Can you tell me why there were corruption in the narrations of Muhamad by his followers and Uthman had to collate the Quran?

This is about the trinity thing. At first it was Paul, later by others such as him the early christians. thats what I meant, why he left RC, can you tell me?


Oooh, this subject about Quran can be debated in other threads ( as though not being discussed many times )

Debmey

You said Tertullian was a follower of Paul, what the hell are you talking about?

Yeah, it was Paul who invented trinity, Tertullian was then the believer, after that he left. So, I want to know why he left RC.

Debmey

Well Tertullian never knew Paul, even if he did so what? Islam has it deviants and heretics too.
The words of Muhamad was alledgely corrupted even while he was alive.

He was no ordinary man but a biblical scholar, that Tertullian, correct me if Im wrong.

Debmey

Really? Was he a Bible schorlar? How schorlarly was he?

Originally posted by hERICtic_algon at 26-1-2007 12:06 AM



Well I see you dare not to take up my challenge then I presume you chicken out.

Ok then I believe no christian dare to take my challenge. Debmey already raising the WHITE flag.

Any ...

Eric, when I became a Christian, I accepted unconditionally that God is perfect and incapable oferror. Since the Bible does contain some errors, I knew that God didn't committhem, so how did they get there?

hERICtic_algon

Originally posted by Jonathan at 26-1-2007 03:15 PM


Eric, when I became a Christian, I accepted unconditionally that God is perfect and incapable oferror. Since the Bible does contain some errors, I knew that God didn't committhem, so how did  ...

There it is. You accepted something unconditionally that you had no proof or evidence for. I am very interested in what it is in you that allows you to do that.

Now that you are admitting to errors, some obvious errors, how can you be sure that something else isn't in error which isn't so obvious?

And how do you know that God [allegedly] didn't put the errors in the earliest copies? If there was a God, and he wrote a book, he may have had a reason, a very good reason, to but something in his alleged book, wrong. How do you know? Maybe God [tee hee] made one person write 22 and another write 42? How can you possibly know for sure? Do you really want to keep guessing?

tommy_mylex

Many Christians tend to forget that Paul/Saul was not known for being honorable or trustworthy. He changed allegiances as regularly as most of us brush our teeth! Paul/Saul went with which ever direction the wind was blowing at the time.

There has also been speculation that Paul/Saul and Josephus, the "historian" were one and the same. If you compare the stories and incidences that have occurred in their lives they are pretty much exact matches.

Paul/Saul was a seeker of fame and adulation. He most definitely was NOT working in the best interest of Jesus and his followers. If anything he was doing his best to undermine the teachings of Jesus.

Originally posted by tommy_mylex at 27-1-2007 02:25 PM
Many Christians tend to forget that Paul/Saul was not known for being honorable or trustworthy. He changed allegiances as regularly as most of us brush our teeth! Paul/Saul went with which ever d ...

True, Paul never met Jesus in the flesh, but I don't think you can demonstrate the latter claim.  While Paul tells us the Jesus was "born of the flesh," the human Jesus was of little importance to Paul because his emphasis was on the risen Christ.  And, of course, Paul did know people who had known the man Jesus.  I suspect that some of those people, the ones who held to kashrut and circumcision, turned him over to the Roman authorities in Jerusalem.  Funny, I can't imagine any other than a carnal Jesus in the minds of those who practiced Kashrut and circumcision.