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Setuju Ke Sijil Nikah Ibu Bapa Pihak Lelaki Pun Perlu Dikemukakan?

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Post time 16-10-2021 04:26 PM | Show all posts
Aku harappp ko dapatt cucu anak luar nikah acik norlya supaya sedarr betapa jelikkk n kejinya kata2 ko pada mereka sebelum ni, supaya ko dapat merasa sedikittt betapa sukarrnya hidopp anak cucu ko diperlakukan dan supaya ko sedarrr betapa takburrrnya mulotttt ko menghina mereka sehingga bagi ko dorg perlu melalui hukuman sepanjangg hayatttt. Ko tunggu giliran ko acikkk norlya. Silap2 ko sendiri jantan mengayatttt skittt dah boleh mengangkang 180 derjahh lol kohkohkohhh
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Post time 16-10-2021 04:29 PM | Show all posts
Nanti dia masuklah dgn ayat sepoii acah2 gud dia tu lol kohkohkohhhh
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Post time 16-10-2021 04:38 PM | Show all posts
nolya replied at 14-10-2021 10:52 AM
Saya hanya Cuba sampaikn pendapat sedikit info dn ilmu yg saya pljari dri sekolah agama dulu. Dan  ...

Silap2 belakang ko ada ahli keluarga ko yg sedap2 melakukan persetubuhan sebelum kawin ko pun tak tahuuu acikk nolya oiiiii. Tapi aku harap biar ko dpt cucu anak luar nikahh supaya ko sedarrr diri macam maksommm sgtt keturunan dia tu phuiiii. Kan forum pun dulu abang sana sini dgn jantan lol klu kat luar tak tahulah mcm mana lol kohkohkohhhh
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Post time 16-10-2021 05:12 PM | Show all posts
Decaffeinated replied at 15-10-2021 05:31 PM
kisah benar

ada pengantin warga emas balu bertemu duda (~ 60's) nak kawin pejabat agama minta juga  ...

Kalau kejadian begini, ini memang lawak.  Patut kena cakap n tanya pej. kadhi, sekiranya makayah sudah di alam barzakh, tak boleh ke pindah wali atau berwali hakim?  Pej kadhi pasti ada jawapan.  
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Post time 16-10-2021 07:44 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
JohnyEnglish replied at 13-10-2021 06:54 PM
Aku rs yg paling penting skrg ni sijil vaksin 2 dose utk setiap family member kedua belah pihak.sbb  ...

Sepupu sepapat mandi lanje
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Post time 16-10-2021 08:20 PM | Show all posts
Edited by Redskin at 16-10-2021 08:36 PM

T.kasih bagi link tersebut.

Link yg diberi cuma mengenai firman Allah SWT tempoh susuan 2 tahun
dan tempoh hamil paling singkat 6 bulan.

Tidak ada satu pon ayat Al Quran atau Hadith mahupon pandangan ulamak2
terkenal dalam link yg diberikan bagitau pasal
SAH nikah sesama adik beradik seBapa?

Di para akhir itu cuma pendapat penulis yg membuat kesimpulan.
Bukan Mahram tak semestinya Boleh Berkahwin apatah lagi
kalau konfem adik beradik dari BAKA yg sama.

Nikah atau Tidak Nikah, anak yg dilahirkan TETAP
ada pertalian darah si Bapa dgn si Anak.

Apatah lagi skrg zaman teknologi mudah utk buat ujian DNA.

Sedangkan Ibu yg menyusukan anak orang lain 3X, automatik
menjadik anak susuan, inikan pula dari anak yg lahir
dari percantuman air mani lelaki dan telor wanita.

Ini dinamakan pertalian DARAH.


Aln bole nikah dgn adik beradik sebapa nye.

Nikah tu sah dr segi hukum Islam.


Keyword disini adalah ADIK BERADIK.

Terang2 dalam Al Quran mengatakan ianya HARAM.





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Post time 16-10-2021 08:34 PM | Show all posts
Decaffeinated replied at 15-10-2021 04:57 PM
dilarang berzina untuk mengelakkan benda2 yang menyusahkan dikemudian hari?

First, prosedur yang  ...

First, prosedur yang menyusahkan tu siapa yang buat? manusia kan. Second, yang berzina tu mak bapak, yang tanggung akibat anak. Fair?


Apa pulok susahnya, kalau takde, susah nak carik...Wali Hakim kan ada.

Bilamasa pulok Islam diskriminasi anak luar nikah?

Tujuan Jabatan Agama hendakkan Surat Nikah parents utk mengesahkan WALI
SEBENAR which is syarat wajib dalam Rukun Nikah.

Hadith Rasulullah JELAS mengatakan TANPA WALI pihak perempuan,
pernikahan itu Tidak SAH.

Walaupon si Bapa dah lama berpisah atau tidak memberi nafkah, Ia
TETAP juga WALI darah daging keturunan si perempuan.

Mungkin perpisahan disebabkan kesalahan si Ibu, time anak nak Nikah carik la Bapa
supaya merapatkan balik hubungan Anak dan Ayah...T

Tujuannya utk merapatkan silaturrahim kembali.



Second, yang berzina tu mak bapak, yang tanggung akibat anak. Fair?



Ko nak cakap pasal FAIR. Ooooo...dosa mak bapak tanggung, pandai pulok.

Habis tu yg org Kisteaa tanggung dosa Adam...konsep Original Sin.
Baby yg baru lahir pong ada DOSA....apehal ?


Jesus pulok boleh tanggung dosa2 oranglain !!


Kisteaa sebenarnya yg mendiskriminasi Anak Luar Nikah
sampai 10 keturunan bawak sial !!  


Deuteronomy 23:2


A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his
tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

No one born of a forbidden union may enter the assembly of the Lord. Even to the tenth generation,
none of his descendants may enter the assembly of the Lord.




A child born out of wedlock, use the pejorative "bastard", and not only that, insist that the all loving,
omnipotent, sentient, invisible sky-king would damn not only that poor innocent child,
which had nothing to do with being in the circumstances it finds itself in,
but a further TEN generations of its offspring are damned also.



Sooo...siapa sebenarnya yg menghina Anak Luar Nikah ??


Isle = 1, Kisteaa = 0


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Post time 16-10-2021 09:00 PM | Show all posts
nolya replied at 16-10-2021 05:12 PM
Kalau kejadian begini, ini memang lawak.  Patut kena cakap n tanya pej. kadhi, sekiranya makayah s ...

wali dah ada, saudara lelaki pengantin (pengantin ka?) yg juga seorang warga emas
and this is her THIRD marriage


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Post time 16-10-2021 09:15 PM | Show all posts
Decaffeinated replied at 16-10-2021 09:00 PM
wali dah ada, saudara lelaki pengantin (pengantin ka?) yg juga seorang warga emas
and this is ...

Wah! murah rezeki pengantin ye, sudah warga emas masih ada yg sudi membela  nasib. Kalau semua persyaratan dh cukup, cuma surat nikah makayah je yg tak ade, memang mintak hentak meja nampaknya orang2 di pejabat kadhi tu. Ini baru betul2 menyusahkan. Pihak kadhi nak ape lagi sebenarnya. Perkara mcm tu  boleh dibawa/diadu ke sultan lah jawabnya. Baru dan2 tu kadhi setuju luluskan pernikahan.
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Post time 16-10-2021 09:43 PM | Show all posts
nolya replied at 16-10-2021 09:15 PM
Wah! murah rezeki pengantin ye, sudah warga emas masih ada yg sudi membela  nasib. Kalau semua per ...

Amboiiii baru ko nak mengaku pejabat agama ada buat benda menyusahkan urusan org, klu tidak cakap apa pun ko tetap kata dorg takde niat nak menyusahkan itu ini dorg buat sebab bla bla bla ala2 sokong membawa rebahh ko punya mentaliti, bila dah kena maki hamun barulahh ko nak soften skittt statement ko tu, ko ni memang fake makcik nolya oiiiiii kohkohkohhhh
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Post time 16-10-2021 09:43 PM | Show all posts
nolya replied at 16-10-2021 09:15 PM
Wah! murah rezeki pengantin ye, sudah warga emas masih ada yg sudi membela  nasib. Kalau semua per ...

tak tau lah siapa yang murah rezeki pengantin pompuan ka lelaki sebab dia sorang dari enam calon yang mencuba nasib koh koh koh...

since ko mcm berminat dgn citer ni meh la aku fast fwd endingnya dorang tu selamat diijab kabulkan zaman kobid walau pun tanpa surat nikah mak ayah pengantin perempuan.

jgn minta tak tengok gambo pulak ya


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Post time 16-10-2021 09:54 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Redskin replied at 16-10-2021 08:20 PM
T.kasih bagi link tersebut.

Link yg diberi cuma mengenai firman Allah SWT tempoh susuan 2 tahun

Xthu la u
I pn ckp setakat I thu

Maybe I salah.
Kne tnye yg lebih pakar.
Maaf ye klo confusing..


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Post time 16-10-2021 09:56 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
MsOren replied at 16-10-2021 09:43 PM
Amboiiii baru ko nak mengaku pejabat agama ada buat benda menyusahkan urusan org, klu tidak cakap  ...

Actually ade sestgh kerani @pegawai pjbat agama mmg suke jgk remehkn perkara mudah.

Pengalaman I sendiri
Tp nsb bek sscond time I pg dpt pegawai lain n urusan dipermudahkan.
Tp mmg mencabar kesabaran...
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Post time 16-10-2021 10:08 PM | Show all posts
missyL replied at 16-10-2021 09:56 PM
Actually ade sestgh kerani @pegawai pjbat agama mmg suke jgk remehkn perkara mudah.

Pengalaman I  ...

Ye samalah aku pun pnh experienced dulu masa nak kawin, lain pegawai yg kita bercakal lain procedure walaupun dr pejabat agama yg sama. Naik pening aku sampai menangiss lol. Bayangkan pejabat yg sama procedure sendiri pun tak seragam, benda2 simple ni bukannya rocket science punn. Tu cuma psl procedure nak kawin dgn foreigner yg dorg dah deal selalu, dorg sendiri pun bodoh lepas tu menyusahkan org.
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Post time 16-10-2021 10:53 PM | Show all posts
Decaffeinated replied at 16-10-2021 09:43 PM
tak tau lah siapa yang murah rezeki pengantin pompuan ka lelaki sebab dia sorang dari enam calon y ...

Menikah tu sunat hukumnya.  Seumpama mendirikan masjid dn menghalalkan hubungan antara lelaki pompuan, juga selari mencontohi sunnah Rasulullah. Umur tak harus jadi penghalang bagi yg mau  menikah, sementara jodoh mereka adalah dipertemukan dn dizin Allah swt. Alhamdulillah bila mereka selamat diijabkabulkan dgn selamatnya, maka mereka saling berteman secara halal. Sangat cantik Allah aturkan begitu.
Kita tak perlu rasa sinis mencurigai siapa yg lebih beruntung sedangkan menikah itu sendiri adalah keberuntungan, rahmat/rezeki anugerah Ilahi. Murah rezekinya yg dpt menikah berkali2 sedangkan ada lelaki lain yg sukar nemu jodohnya. Kalau ada foto, itu satu bonus tapi bila tak ade, it's OK. Berita mereka bahagia sudah memadai.


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Post time 17-10-2021 10:38 AM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
MsOren replied at 16-10-2021 10:08 PM
Ye samalah aku pun pnh experienced dulu masa nak kawin, lain pegawai yg kita bercakal lain procedu ...

Tula.
Lain pejabat agama pn lain jgk kerenah nye.

Mase second pg mase tgu no i mmg zikir n doa byk2 xdpt pegawai same.
Syukur sgt dpt pegawai lain

Mase tu I xde la nk nangis cume nk marah haha.
Klo i dok kg xpe. Ni balik n cuti semata n siapkn borang.
Syukur la second pegawai urusan I dipermudahkn..
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Post time 17-10-2021 06:47 PM | Show all posts
Edited by Redskin at 17-10-2021 07:09 PM
missyL replied at 16-10-2021 09:54 PM
Xthu la u
I pn ckp setakat I thu

Tak tahu, tak mengapa. Red suka orang yg berterus terang.

Aln bole nikah dgn adik beradik sebapa nye.

Nikah tu sah dr segi hukum Islam.

Pencerahan kpd statements diatas which is NOT TRUE.

Ibn Qudaamah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

It is haraam for a man to marry his illegitimate daughter, or his illegitimate sister,
or his (illegitimate) son’s daughter, or his daughter’s daughter, or his brother’s daughter,
or his sister who is illegitimate. This is the view of most of the fuqaha’. End quote.


Al-Mughni (7/485).

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about an illegitimate daughter –
can she marry her father?

He replied:  

The view of the majority of scholars is that it is not permissible to marry her.
This is definitely the correct view. End quote.


Majmoo’ al-Fataawa (32/134).

It says in al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah (36/210):

It is haraam for a man to marry his illegitimate daughter, because of the clear meaning of the verse
(interpretation of the meaning):

Ibn Abi Hatim recorded that Ibn `Abbas said, "(Allah said) I have prohibited for you seven types of relatives by blood
and seven by marriage.'' Ibn `Abbas then recited the Ayah,

At-Tabari recorded that Ibn `Abbas said, "Seven degrees of blood relation and seven degrees of marriage relation are prohibited (for marriage).'' He then recited the Ayah,



[Surah An-Nisa’ 4:23]

Forbidden to you (for marriage) are: your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your father's sisters,
your mother's sisters, your brother's daughters, your sister's daughters, your foster mother who gave you suck,
your foster milk suckling sisters, your wives' mothers, your step daughters under your guardianship,
born of your wives to whom you have gone in - but there is no sin on you if you have not gone in them
(to marry their daughters), - the wives of your sons who (spring) from your own loins,
and two sisters in wedlock at the same time, except for what has already passed;
verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.






Because she is his daughter in a real sense and in linguistic terms and she was created from his water (i.e. sperm),
so the illegitimate son is forbidden (in marriage) to his mother.


Fourthly:

Based on the above, it is not permissible for this illegitimate son of yours to marry your daughters,
so they are his like sisters. The same applies to your wife.


But that does not mean that he is a mahram for them in the sense that they may be alone with him
and take off their hijab in his presence.

Prohibition of marriage does not always mean that one is a mahram in the sense that it is
permissible to be alone with the person etc. This is an additional ruling which applies
only to the shar’i mahrams, so attention must be paid to that.







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Post time 17-10-2021 06:51 PM | Show all posts




Video penerangan dari Dr Yaseer Qadhi lebih terperinci dan kesimpulannya
pernikahan sesama Anak Luar Nikah dari Bapa atau Ibu yg sama adalah Haram
disebabkan Blood Related.


Berdasarkan Al Quran dalam ayat Surah An Nisa 4:23 jelas diterangkan.

Video menarik tapi agak lama, kalo malas nak dengar semua, go to min 18:30.







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Post time 17-10-2021 07:26 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Redskin replied at 17-10-2021 06:47 PM
Tak tahu, tak mengapa. Red suka orang yg berterus terang.



Haruslah x thu I ckp xthu u hahah

I blaja x abes lah nie hahaha.
Thank u pencerahan u..
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