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Jakim again reminds Muslims to protect the use of ‘Allah’
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pakweneelofa posted on 3-3-2014 09:43 AM 
lol...kantoikan diorang ni rob
thread dgn tajuk yg provokasi,mencarut kalau depa bukak stay macam tu je bajet pakai MN org tak perasan
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Rasenye x de la plak aku ckp yang bertelagah cam lembu
Ayat aku ckp 'thread ni dah jadi tempat menghina'
but its ok, to everyone their opinion.
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mashimaru83 posted on 3-3-2014 03:02 PM
Yes, people can say they are False, but I'm interested on what basis the claim is being made?
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Just asking ANY CHANCE. If you think NO CHANCE, then no chancelah. OK with me.
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BotakChinPeng posted on 3-3-2014 06:42 PM
berapa nilai jualan setiap syarikat ini ? berapa orang pula pemegang kepentingan ? perlu diingat ...
Sebab tu lah saya malas nak komen lebih tentang benda yang tidak diketahui kita. Banyak lagi syarikat Bumiputra unlisted yang besar seperti Sani Corp, sebuah syarikat bas express terbesar di negara...... begitu juga banyak lagi syarikat unlisted milik Cinapek yang besar dan kaya macam Lee Rubber, See Hoy Chan, SenQ dan White Horse Ceramics.
Konsep saya mudah saja, saya tak kisah siapa yang kaya, Cina kah, Melayu kah, India kah..... sebab yang kaya bukan kita berdua. Ko ingat kita boleh dapat syer kalau pujaan ko kaya? Robert Kuok ataupun Syed Mokthar kaya, ada ko kisah? Saya tak kisah, yang saya kisah ialah macam mana saya nak cari pendapatan untuk mengikat perut saya dan keluarga. Last edited by spiderman80 on 4-3-2014 01:55 AM
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mende pulok dok cerita pasal sarikat sapa lagi besar ni.........LOL.....halliburton dengan baker hughes merupakan org melayu punya sarikat..troololololo |
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andygila posted on 3-3-2014 10:49 PM
Just asking ANY CHANCE. If you think NO CHANCE, then no chancelah. OK with me.
As one who believe in the existence of God, my answer would be there is no chance that Islam is false. My answer here is on Islam only but not other religions.
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mashimaru83 posted on 4-3-2014 07:40 AM
As one who believe in the existence of God, my answer would be there is no chance that Islam is fa ...
As an atheist, I think all religion have no chance of true. Show me the god!!! 
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gogo2 posted on 4-3-2014 07:41 AM
As an atheist, I think all religion have no chance of true. Show me the god!!!
Your 'true' criteria is based on what you see. Are you implying that anything that you cannot see is 'false'?
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mashimaru83 posted on 4-3-2014 07:48 AM
Your 'true' criteria is based on what you see. Are you implying that anything that you cannot see ...
True is based on empirical evidence. Example, eventhough we don't see the air around us, there's empirical evidence to show that air does exist. God does not have empirical evidence that it exist. Thus, god has no chance to be true.
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gogo2 posted on 4-3-2014 07:51 AM
True is based on empirical evidence. Example, eventhough we don't see the air around us, there's e ...
Empirical evidence according to Wiki is a source of knowledge acquired by means of observation or experimentation.
The proof of God existence I put it as beyond the empirical evidence. Human by nature CANNOT think of something that they CANNOT think of. It is impossible for someone to come out with 'God' if He doesn't not exist. We cannot think of object that does not exist unless that object is a byproduct of existing objects or until we see that object ourselves. Thus, God exist!
The experiment is easy: Think of new object that does not exist, can you?
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mashimaru83 posted on 4-3-2014 08:12 AM
Empirical evidence according to Wiki is a source of knowledge acquired by means of observation or ...
Wow, u need to research the word empirical before replying to me. LOL.
Anyway, there's a lot of flaws in your argument.
Since you say there's no empirical evidence that god exist, you cannot say it exist. Unless you want to use god to control people. In the old days, government create religion so that they can control their people.
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gogo2 posted on 4-3-2014 08:22 AM
Wow, u need to research the word empirical before replying to me. LOL.
Anyway, there's a lot of ... gogo2
Since you say there's no empirical evidence that god exist, you cannot say it exist. Unless you want to use god to control people. In the old days, government create religion so that they can control their people.
When you say "In the old days, government create religion so that they can control their people", is there any empirical evidence for this?
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mashimaru83 posted on 4-3-2014 09:23 AM
Apparently you are wrong. Empirical evidence is something that is obtained through experiment. I p ...
Experiment to think of new object that does not exist?
People in the olden days think about god in stone. God in trees. God in patung berhala. They manage to think it up.
Conclusion from the experiment:-
Human are able to think up god in many ways. But god is not exist.
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gogo2 posted on 4-3-2014 09:26 AM
Experiment to think of new object that does not exist?
People in the olden days think about go ... gogo2
People in the olden days think about god in stone. God in trees. God in patung berhala. They manage to think it up.
Conclusion from the experiment:-
Human are able to think up god in many ways. But god is not exist.
My experiment is on how one can establish the 'God' without Him being exist. Technically the object has to come first before the name is given. This is how our thinking work or designed.
If you are not able to think of new object that does not exist, so do the people back then. I'm not talking about whether the tree is God or the patung berhala is God. My question is how the word 'God' is established? Can we establish any word to represent something that does not exist? Can you give an example?
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mashimaru83 posted on 4-3-2014 10:10 AM
That is not correct. When you say 'God' is something (trees, berhala, etc), you already establishe ...
I didn't say tree is god. I didn't say stone is god. I'm saying people in olden days think there's god in the trees. God in the patung. Understand? Do you have English problem?
Let me do this is Malay.
Org dulu2 kata ada tuhan dlm patung. Ada tuhan dlm batu. 
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gogo2 posted on 4-3-2014 10:19 AM
I didn't say tree is god. I didn't say stone is god. I'm saying people in olden days think there's ... gogo2
Org dulu2 kata ada tuhan dlm patung. Ada tuhan dlm batu.
Again, my point still stand: no one on the face of the earth can think of object that does not exist unless that object is a byproduct of existing objects or that object can be seen/accessed by them. No one can come up with 'God' unless God himself exists. Thus, God exist.
To refute me you just have answer this simple question: Think of new object that does not exist, can you?
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mashimaru83 posted on 4-3-2014 11:23 AM
I am not sure why you are so excited but I think you failed to understand the issue. I'm not quest ...
I already told you. In the olden days when the human is still dumb, they think of god inside a stone. They already think of something not exist.
Or in Bahasa Melayu:-
Org zaman dulu2 yg agama politheistic sembah batu dan benda2 berhala. Mereka ini fikirkan adalah tuhan dalam batu2 tersebut. Mereka ini boleh mengilhamkan benda2 yg tak wujud.
Ada paham? Sebelum kedatangan agama kitab seperti Kristian, sudah ada ilham pasal tuhan oleh Manusia sebab mereka tidak dapat berfikir dengan betul masa tuh. Dorang tak paham benda2 yg berlaku di sekitar mereka seperti hujan, matahari dan sebagainya. Dorang pun sembahlah matahari dan sebagainya.
Selepas berzaman2 sembah matahari, tetiba ada manusia terfikir nak sembah satu tuhan. Maka wujudlah tuhan Ra di Mesir iaitu Firaun dan sebagainya.
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gogo2 posted on 4-3-2014 11:38 AM
I already told you. In the olden days when the human is still dumb, they think of god inside a sto ...
tak berapa tepat tu gogo. konsep penyembahan dlm konteks ritual tidak ujud sebelum kedatangan agama samawi. di era antikuti masyarakat sudah menerima konsep keujudan tuhan. tetapi tuhan tidak diambil sebagai entiti utk disembah. sebaliknya masyarakat tamadun lama percaya bagaimana alam persekitaran mempunyai hubung kait dan pengaruh dlm kehidupan mahkluk didunia ini. objek2 alam semulajadi seperti matahari, bulan, planet, gunung, hutan, sungai etc pada asalnya bukan disembah tetapi adalah objek yg disanjung/veneration/reverence kerana sumbangan dan kesan yg diberi kpd kehidupan. |
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M5 posted on 4-3-2014 12:10 PM
tak berapa tepat tu gogo. konsep penyembahan dlm konteks ritual tidak ujud sebelum kedatangan agam ...
oh iyer ke? Tapi tuhan Ra disembah kan? Yg Firaun2 tuh kan anak tuhan? Pakat sembah2 kan? Tolong betulkan kalau silap ya.
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1) Agama dicipta oleh manusia untuk mempengaruhi pemikiran manusia..... seperti Atheism.
2) Zaman dulu, ramai yang terlalu mempercayai Tuhan berada di sekeliling mereka seperti bulan, matahari, batu ataupun patung berhala.
3) Agama dicipta untuk menakutkan orang ramai supaya jangan buat kesalahan otherwise korang akan dihukum oleh Tuhan.
4) Agama adalah seperti politik untuk zaman moden. Kita cuma akan mendengar dan menyokong entiti yang kita rasa kita mahu percaya. Sebab tu lah ada parti Buddha, Kristian, Islam, Hindu dan lain-lain. Kalau korang tanya Buddha, adakah wujud agama lain, maka ia seperti isu kafir dalam Islam.
5) Adakah Tuhan wujud, setiap agama akan terhegeh-hegeh syok-sendiri claim agama masing-masing paling logik, suci, mulia dan benar. Macam parti politik di negara kita, BN vs PR.
6) Adakah Tuhan wujud, kalau ko percaya wujud, maka ia wujudlah walaupun tak dapat berikan bukti kukuh.
7) Macam mana semua hidupan di dunia ini wujud kalau tak ada Tuhan, maka saya nak tanyakan soalan yang sama, siapakah pencipta Tuhan? |
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