Truth.8 posted on 20-3-2013 09:09 PM
saya ckp general...agama membuat orang tutup semua bahagian anggota....mcm cult pula...
senan ...
kamu refer kepada agama apa?
Masih tiada jawapan. KALAU statement kamu itu general, sudah pasti kamu dapat memberi DUA ATAU TIGA CONTOH.
itu pendapat kamu. agama Kristian tidak berpaksikan di atas pendapat kamu. Kamu siapa, yang sampai pendapat kamu hendak di ambil kira sebagai ajaran agama?
gunblade712 posted on 20-3-2013 09:23 PM
Truth.8, kamu refer kepada ayat ini, kan?
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the ...
I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion. (Al-Ma'idah, 3). http://quran.com/5/3
there you are...it stated religion....the Bible from OT until NT...did not mention abt relgion rather stories on Prophets and incidents , spirituality and etc
gunblade712 posted on 20-3-2013 09:24 PM
kamu refer kepada agama apa?
Masih tiada jawapan. KALAU statement kamu itu general, sudah past ...
itulah kau...ckp besor....selalu hidup dlm temburung...cuba go out ...one example....in india...there cover everything until eyes can see....probably it is their cultural or religion...they are not muslim for your info
Truth.8 posted on 21-3-2013 12:08 AM
there you are...it stated religion....the Bible from OT until NT...did not mention abt relgion r ...
memang tak berubah eh perangai kau?
posting aku yang panjang2 ada menerangkan tentang kalimah "deen" yg digunakan, di mana orang slalu translate kepada "religion" walaupun translation itu tidak tepat.
baca sampai habis dulu, baru berhujah. kepala otak tu jangan dok pikir diri kau tu betul.
nak hentam islam, tapi satu kalimah arab pun haram tatau. lepas tu bila orang ajar, orang terangkan, takmo terima, hentam orang lain.
nasib baik kau mengaku kau tu bukan kristian, kalo tak kesian orang2 kristian dapat brothers-in-faith macam kau
Truth.8 posted on 21-3-2013 12:10 AM
itulah kau...ckp besor....selalu hidup dlm temburung...cuba go out ...one example....in india...th ...
bagilah example yang clear sikit. setakat nak cakap kat india ada, aku pun boleh cakap : kat Malaysia ada sorang mamat saiko yang pernah konon2 predict something will happen in December 2009 tapi haram tak jadi apa2 lepas tu dia perasan kekonon membawa mesej kebaikan dok 'preach' dalam forum sana-sini siap cakap belit-belit macam ular, lidah bercabang...
tapi kenelah sebut dengan terang dan jelas, golong apa, apa fahaman mereka, kan? kita kan sedang membincangkan agama, dan kau pulak sedang berbincang dengan orang Islam secara majoriti..
Truth.8 posted on 21-3-2013 12:08 AM
there you are...it stated religion....the Bible from OT until NT...did not mention abt relgion r ...
there you are...it stated religion....the Bible from OT until NT...did not mention abt relgion rather stories on Prophets and incidents , spirituality and etc -Truth.8
Atas nama si DIA, yg Maha Pencipta segala alam semesta....baca lah dalam Bible awal hingga akhir....tiada perkataan agama.... -Truth.8
If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless. 27 Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world. - James 1:26-27 (English Standard Version)
If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain. Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world. - James 1:26-27 (King James Version)
Truth.8 posted on 21-3-2013 10:54 AM
aiyooo skrg nak perang pula si mata sepet...tak abis...
sorry aku malas nak layan kau...
...
kau, dengan tiba2 panggil aku mulut longkang, lepas tu nak cerita pasal DIA?
kau ingat, DIA setuju ke bila kau panggil aku mulut longkang? Aku yakin DIA tak pernah endorse kalau orang panggil orang lain mulut longkang.
kepada pembaca, tengoklah perangai Truth.8, apabila di ajak berhadapan dia lari (tanda bacul), apabila diberi penerangan dia ignore dan lari daripada topik perbincangan (tanda buta hati).
Fellow forumers, keep your distance from Truth.8. Dia bukan nak berbincang, dia cuma nak paksa orang terima pendapat dia dan menghentam orang/menghina orang/personal attack sesiapa yang tidak bersetuju dengan dia.
Nasib baik saudara2 Kristian aku terselamat daripada mempunyai brothers-in-faith macam Truth.8....
gunblade712 posted on 21-3-2013 02:09 AM
If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, th ...
If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless. 27 Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world. - James 1:26-27 (English Standard Version)
If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain. Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world. - James 1:26-27 (King James Version)
did you read the word religion is vain?? what does it mean for pure religion? you understand??? pure religion not 'agama taksub"
rejecting everything, practise things which not according to God commandment, sects or so many denomination include in christians and islam which suni and shia
when religion become vain....u are lose come with many denomination...that why Christ says " I am the way, truth and life......if one can apply this simple way of life, we won't lost ......
Back to Basics: Practicing Truth... This brings us to a crucial question. What were Jesus Christ's expectations for those who would make up that body of people—that Church—that He promised to build? His promise was, "... I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it" (Matthew 16:18
). He also promised, "Therefore by their fruits you will know them" (Matthew 7:20
). Are the fruits of the Christian religion today all that Jesus had in mind?
Truth.8 posted on 21-3-2013 11:06 AM
did you read the word religion is vain?? what does it mean for pure religion? you understand??? ...
tengoklah wahai para pembaca..
Truth.8 sendiri kata :
there you are...it stated religion....the Bible from OT until NT...did not mention abt relgion rather stories on Prophets and incidents , spirituality and etc -Truth.8
tapi bila dah kantoi Bible memang ada sebut religion dan menceritakan tentang religion, tiba2 dia nak pusing kata, nak bagi explanation panjang..
Habis tu, bila aku terangkan pasal perkataan 'ad-din' yang translation kurang tepatnya adalah 'religion' (rujuk post #80), Truth.8 ignore semua penerangan dan cuma menjawab :
there you are...it stated religion....the Bible from OT until NT...did not mention abt relgion rather stories on Prophets and incidents , spirituality and etc
Nampak sangat Truth.8 tak baca post #80 aku, dia IGNORE keterangan yang menerangkan tentang salah faham dia terhadap Islam.
Tapi bila bab dia, PUNYA PANJANG LEBAR DIA PUSING BELIT STATEMENT SEBAB NAK COVER STATEMENT DIA YANG CONTRADICT..
Makhluk macam ni, korang ingat DIA akan restu ke? I don't think so. No religion endorse what Truth.8 have done here.
gunblade712 posted on 21-3-2013 11:18 AM
tengoklah wahai para pembaca..
Truth.8 sendiri kata :
tapi bila dah kantoi Bible memang ada sebut religion dan menceritakan tentang religion, tiba2 dia nak pusing kata, nak bagi explanation panjang..
kantoi? mungkin mulut longkan macam kau fikir mcm itu....
Habis tu, bila aku terangkan pasal perkataan 'ad-din' yang translation kurang tepatnya adalah 'religion' (rujuk post #80), Truth.8 ignore semua penerangan dan cuma menjawab :
hakikatnya, Yesus kata I am the w ay, truth and life...
saya pegang dengan statment itu...bukan agama yg vain
Nampak sangat Truth.8 tak baca post #80 aku, dia IGNORE keterangan yang menerangkan tentang salah faham dia terhadap Islam.
agama yg taksub tetap salah....i am talking in general...kalau terasa....nak buat macam mana
Tapi bila bab dia, PUNYA PANJANG LEBAR DIA PUSING BELIT STATEMENT SEBAB NAK COVER STATEMENT DIA YANG CONTRADICT..
tak belit pun...mungkin otak kau yg kurang paham
Makhluk macam ni, korang ingat DIA akan restu ke? I don't think so. No religion endorse what Truth.8 have done here.
abis itu...makluk yg tutup semua badan lepas masuk bomb dlm badan itu lepas bom utk musnahkan ciptaan si DIA....dpt restu kah? atau mulut longkang mcm kau dapt restu kah???
tengok? kamu kata saya belit, Truth.8? SAYA QUOTE STATEMENT KAMU, BUKANNYA SAYA KELUARKAN STATEMENT SAYA SENDIRI..
kamu sendiri yang claim, dari OT sampai ke NT, tiada sebut tentang religion, bila saya jumpa, saya quote, saya minta penjelasan, kamu tuduh saya belit pula... saya cuma quote statement kamu, nampak sangat kamu indirectly mengaku yang kamu belit...
agama yg taksub tetap salah....i am talking in general...kalau terasa....nak buat macam mana
SEMUA AGAMA, apabila ada orang taksub, maka ORANG ITU SALAH, BUKAN AGAMANYA... ini fakta yang sangat simple, majority orang daripada mana2 agama akan setuju, kecuali orang yang claim agama dia way of life tapi takde agama sebenarnya.
abis itu...makluk yg tutup semua badan lepas masuk bomb dlm badan itu lepas bom utk musnahkan ciptaan si DIA....dpt restu kah? atau mulut longkang mcm kau dapt restu kah???
kamu cerita tentang siapa? c'mon, grow same pair of balls and mention the faith-in-discussion. kalau setakat cakap general statement, saya pun boleh cakap general statement, orang bodoh bahalol yang claim dia tak percaya trinity tapi percaya bible lepas tu dia claim buat satu prophesy selepas tsunami ini merendahkan kaum kristian (sebab dia claim dia ikut bible). orang bodoh bahalul macam ni memang patut di abaikan sebab Tuhan pasti akan benci orang yang belit, membuat prophesy sesuka hati dan tidak mahu berbincang secara ilmiah. not to mention, orang ini BODOH dan BANGANG, lagi bangang dari anjing dan babi kerana anjing dan babi tahu tugas mereka, orang ini bdoh tak tahu tugas dia. perasan dia hebat.
tak belit pun...mungkin otak kau yg kurang paham
manada manusia boleh faham statement belit kau tu. kejap kata "religion" takde dalam OT dan NT. bila terbukti ada, tukar statement pulak. dari dulu, tak berubah pun sifat belit kau tu.. sedih..
anyway, back to the discussion.
penerangan tentang "Ad-Din" dan quote daripada surah Al-Ma'idah telah diberi penerangan. siapa yang mahu teruskan perbincangan tentang way of life yang di ajar di dalam Islam, boleh teruskan. saya juga ingin tahu way of life yang di ajar di dalam agama lain. ignore je Truth.8 ni. dia bukannya mahu bincang. dia golong yang tidak bertanggungjawab yang hanya lari daripada defend statement dia sendiri. Aku yakin MANA2 AGAMA PUN AKAN REJECT ORANG MACAM TRUTH.8. Last edited by gunblade712 on 21-3-2013 12:38 PM
Truth.8 posted on 21-3-2013 02:38 PM
Religion are man made. I would use spirituality in order we get closer to GOD...
"religion are man made"
so, are you claiming that you don't have any religion? You can post tonnes of Youtube vids but one thing for sure, those vids aren't made by you, Truth.8. Why beat around the bush? Attacking religion means you're attacking Christianity and Islam and Hindu and Buddhism and other religion across the globe.
To be called a 'religion', one must fulfill the requirement; it must believes in the Supreme Being (The Creator), it must have a set of guidelines (usually written, sometimes oral traditions), it must have a system, it must teaches moral ethics that doesn't destroy it's follower's physical and spiritual.
To say that "religion are man-made", you're rejecting the believe in The Creator and the system He have bestowed upon mankind. You're becoming an "Agnostic".
I believe, even Jesus Christ himself would reject such beliefs.
gunblade712 posted on 21-3-2013 03:30 PM
"religion are man made"
so, are you claiming that you don't have any religion? You can post ton ...
well, i belived and trust Jesus because Jesuse did not promot religion..
i m sure peoples do agreed that religion made the world unstable:
1. killing each other- killing other human souls- bomb here and there
2. mental block- reject improving themselves - economy growth
3. covering the whole body
4. emotion ( one example is Gb the mulut longkang)
5. like grouping themselves or amoung their faith followers because of religion
6. feels discomfort if they were to mix other faith or other religion
7. tendency of anger
8. kind of cult
9. look nice in surface - but kind touch of poision
10. awlays in argueable with others...( one example is gb ...suka sangat cari pasal aja)
and list goes on...
Peoples who believed in way of life:
1. Sprituality (balance)
2. able to adap and get along with others regardless their gender, race, faith and etc
3. like improve themselve and contribute the economy growth.
4. alwas active - gym, senaman-positive mind-
5. obeying commandment of si DIA
6. less argueable with others.
7. rather more silent than talking big
8. avoid practing vain ritual such slauthering animals on yearly - fasting seeking moon for answer , circling an object or kissing any object and etc(talking in general, anyone feels hurt..consider 'siapa makan petai-dia rasa bau kencing nya)
9.tolerant -repect to other human souls and all living things include pigs-dogs and etc
10. dress in moderate without exposing aurat or sexy garment...head need not to cover with cloth as I believe one should be gratefuly and thanks to Si DIA for giving such wonderful hair. Hair can be comb tide neat..for places of worshipped, surly can cover the head with scraft and dress neatly without exposing the aurat..
11. awalys happy go lucky...
also ....I dont think there is word religion in holy book Hindusim or Buddhism...
Truth.8 posted on 21-3-2013 03:42 PM
well, i belived and trust Jesus because Jesuse did not promot religion..
i m sure peoples do a ...
aku, dan majoriti orang yang baca, pasti tidak akan setuju dengan statement kau; kau menyalahkan agama di atas kesalahan minority. ianya sama seperti menyalahkan Kristian secara total kerana kekejaman Hitler. TAK MASUK AKAL!
orang yang sihat akalnya pasti mengetahui bahawa kesilapan manusia itu adalah datang daripada kejahilan manusia. Semua agama pasti akan setuju; agama mereka perfect, penganut mereka tidak perfect.
Namun, sebagai Muslim yg cuba untuk hidup dengan cara hidup Islam (KERANA ISLAM MENGAJAR WAY OF LIFE, NOT JUST A RELIGION), aku setuju dengan statement kau yang pasal way of life.. memang semua ini ada dalam diri Muslim yang hidup berlandaskan Islam :
1. Sprituality (balance)
Yup. Kami di ajar untuk spiritually balance. Kami di larang berpuasa sepanjang tahun, di larang bersolat sampai mengabaikan tanggungjawab dunia. Kami di ajar wasatiah.
2. able to adap and get along with others regardless their gender, race, faith and etc
Yes. Islam tidak pernah mengajar racism. Allah menerangkan di dalam Quran bahawa Dia mencipta manusia berbilang kaum supaya kita dapat saling kenal mengenal. Ayat yang di gunakan adalah "ta'aruf", the very same word that we use masa kita nak kenal bakal isteri kita. Bermakna, Allah cipta berbilang kaum supaya kita dapat berta'aruf (saling kenal mengenali supaya dapat mencintai mereka) dengan mereka.
3. like improve themselve and contribute the economy growth.
Yes. betul. Di dalam Quran, Allah seringkali menyebut "dirikanlah solat dan tunaikanlah zakat". Solat itu adalah ibadah spiritual, hubungan antara Allah dan manusia yang akan di ambil kira di hari akhirat, manakala zakat itu adalah ibadah yang di lakukan untuk membantu saudara seagama. Untuk bayar zakat, seseorang itu haruslah bekerja dan haruslah mempunyai kewangan yang kukuh. Perintah solat dan zakat di nyatakan oleh Allah dalam pairing, bermakna Allah mahu Muslim berusaha untuk harta dunia sehingga mereka yang mengeluarkan zakat, bukan yang menerima zakat.
4. alwas active - gym, senaman-positive mind-
Yes. Ini juga di ajar oleh Islam. Baginda s.a.w sering berjalan kaki untuk ke sesuatu tempat. Sunnah baginda. Baginda s.a.w. pernah bersabda yang maksudnya memberitahu kita supaya kita mendidik anak kita berenang, memanah dan menunggang kuda. Kesemua ini adalah riadah; mustahil seseorang itu dapat berenang/memanah/menaiki kuda jika mereka tidak sihat.
Positive mind juga di ajar oleh baginda s.a.w, semasa pembukaan Mekah, semasa Baginda s.a.w was in power, semasa Baginda s.a.w boleh menghukum kembali mereka yang memijak baginda, baginda cuma berkata kepada mereka : ""No blame and no reproach be upon you today, may Allah forgive you for He is the most Merciful of all those that show mercy" (Surah Yusuf : 92).
Sebelum kau menghentam statement di atas dengan kecetekkan akal kau, perlu aku terangkan bahawa, ketika baginda di tanya "Apa yang kamu akan buat terhadap kami?", baginda Muhammad s.a.w. bersabda yang maksudnya "Aku perkatakan kepada kamu apa yang telah saudara ku Yusuf a.s. telah katakan kepada adik-beradik dia, bahawasanya..." kemudian sambung ayat yang aku quote di atas.
5. obeying commandment of si DIA
Tak perlu di terangkan lagi. Islam mempunyai satu rukun Islam yang wajib di ikuti oleh Muslim. Memang ada yang tak ikut 100%, ini di sebabkan kelemahan sendiri, bukan kelemahan Islam.
6. less argueable with others.
Baginda Muhammad s.a.w mengajar kita supaya tidak bergaduh. Banyak hadith baginda s.a.w yang melarang.
btw, less arguable with others, tapi from the looks of it, kau dah berapa tahun dok meroyan kat forum ni, Truth.8?
7. rather more silent than talking big
"Sesiapa yang mempercayai Allah dan Hari Qiamah, hendaklah dia berkata-kata yang baik, atau diam sahaja." - maksud hadith baginda Muhammad s.a.w. Need I say more?
8. avoid practing vain ritual such slauthering animals on yearly - fasting seeking moon for answer and etc
Islam tidak melihat ibadah korban sebagai 'vain', daging itu di agih2kan kepada orang miskin. AT LEAST mereka dapat makan daging setahun sekali. (trust me, there are people, even in KL, that is so poor they can't afford to buy meat. ).
We fast because Allah orders us AND it's good for our body. Even orang yang nak operation pun, perlu berpuasa sehari sebelum. So, ibadah puasa bukanlah 'vain'.
Of course, kami tak pernah "seek the moon". Quran clearly bagitau : "They ask you about the waxing and waning phases of the crescent moons, say they are to mark fixed times for mankind and Hajj." (Quran 2:189) http://quran.com/2/189
9.tolerant -repect to other human souls and all living things include pigs-dogs and etc
respect memang ditekankan sangat2 di dalam Islam. "Do not hurt others so that others may not hurt you". This was an exceprts of the translation of the Prophet's last sermon. We respect pigs/dogs. Kita di ajar untuk menjauhi babi kerana nature babi itu kotor. Anjing pula terdapat banyak percanggahan pendapat, tapi majority TIDAK MENGHARAMKAN MUSLIM MEMBELA ANJING, cuma tatacara untuk membela anjing itu sahaja yang ada syarat yang berbeza menurut pendapat imam-imam terdahulu.
10. awalys happy go lucky...
Abu Yahya Suhaib bin Sinan (radi Allahu anhu) reported that the Messenger of Allah (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) said: “How wonderful is the case of a believer; there is good for him in everything and this applies only to a believer. If prosperity befalls him, he expresses gratitude to Allah and that is good for him; and if adversity befalls him, he endures it patiently and that is good for him.” [Sahih Muslim].
So there you go. 10 of your personal 'way of life' punya syarat telahpun ada di dalam Islam.
Truth.8 posted on 21-3-2013 03:42 PM
well, i belived and trust Jesus because Jesuse did not promot religion..
i m sure peoples do a ...
also ....I dont think there is word religion in holy book Hindusim or Buddhism...
tak payah nak pegi jauh2 kat Kitab suci Hindu atau Buddhism. Tak perlu libatkan mereka. Kau sendiri dah terbukti silap; kau kata dalam OT sampai NT takde perkataan religion tapi aku jumpa perkataan tu. Explain this first, or apologize for slandering the Bible!
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