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Author: greekgod

If Christian accepted OT, why worship idols?

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Post time 16-2-2005 08:13 AM | Show all posts

by nitelord

But do we actually worship the statues, we dont, like you, the inanimate object is just a point of focus or a reminder of our faith.
=ladies and gentlemen..we have a LIFTOFF
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Post time 16-2-2005 09:08 AM | Show all posts
sniper stuck already abt muslims worshipping black stone.
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Post time 16-2-2005 10:21 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Debmey at 15-2-2005 03:08 PM:
sniper stuck already abt muslims worshipping black stone.


nope..the black stone..HAJARUL ASWAD..


where in the quranic ayat or hadis does it ask us to worship the stone..kindly explain deb
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Post time 16-2-2005 11:43 AM | Show all posts
I have answered about the Green flag and the black stone.. Search the threads.
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 Author| Post time 16-2-2005 12:09 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Debmey at 15-2-2005 04:56 PM:
You are supposed to if yu are a true muslim.


funnily, somebody try to teach me islam!!!

hey other forummer, here is our new religious teacher!!!

haha.. deb.. if you do know nothing about islam, dont speak, it just showing your foolishness...

it is not necessited to wear like muhammad, what muhammad really taught is to wear properly, eat clean thing, and speak of the truth (in your knowledge)

sorry deb, probably you can try to teach this to somebody is islam, but do not know what is islam....
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Post time 16-2-2005 12:11 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by greekgod at 2005-2-16 12:09 PM:


funnily, somebody try to teach me islam!!!

hey other forummer, here is our new religious teacher!!!

haha.. deb.. if you do know nothing about islam, dont speak, it just showing your fooli ...


Debmey  just trying  to 'psycho' you... but the true big time PSYCHO  is him. ;).
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Originally posted by KENNKID at 16-2-2005 06:11 AM:


Debmey  just trying  to 'psycho' you... but the true big time PSYCHO  is him. ;).


sure kennkid, but it is not working!!!
poor deb, he met a wrong guy!
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Post time 16-2-2005 12:59 PM | Show all posts
kehkehkeh,,,deb never fails to make me laugh..
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Post time 16-2-2005 01:24 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by snipersnake at 16-2-2005 08:13 AM:
But do we actually worship the statues, we dont, like you, the inanimate object is just a point of focus or a reminder of our faith.
=ladies and gentlemen..we have a LIFTOFF


Does circling around it and kneeling and bowing at that direction of kaba signify "worship"?Like what i've been trying to mentioned earlier on..If you want to categorize the Chiristians as "worshipping" idols just because some of them  bow and kneel at it..What does make Muslim so much different from the Christians??

What's so special about Muslims??Why the hypocrisy??


The answer already known to Muslim since the beginning about why they must do so..but they fail to apply it to the Christians...That's what i can deduct from the numerous long posts pasted in THIS thread..

[ Last edited by Seraphim on 16-2-2005 at 01:26 PM ]
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Post time 16-2-2005 04:16 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Seraphim at 2005-2-16 01:24 PM:


Does circling around it and kneeling and bowing at that direction of kaba signify "worship"?Like what i've been trying to mentioned earlier on..If you want to categorize the Chiristia ...



Thus We have made you [true Muslims -- real believers of Islamic Monotheism, true followers of Prophet Muhammad  and his Sunna  (legal ways)], a just (and the best) nation, that you be witnesses over mankind and the Messenger (Muhammad ) be a witness over you.  And We made the Qiblah (prayer direction towards Jerusalem) which you used to face, only to test those who followed the Messenger (Muhammad ) from those who would turn on their heels (i.e. disobey the Messenger).  Indeed it was great (heavy) except for those whom Allah guided.  And Allah would never make your faith (prayers) to be lost (i.e. your prayers offered towards Jerusalem).  Truly, Allah is full of Kindness, the Most Merciful towards mankind.

Verily! We have seen the turning of your (Muhammad's ) face towards the heaven.  Surely, We shall turn you to a Qiblah (prayer direction) that shall please you, so turn your face in the direction of Al-Masjid-al-Haram (at Makka).  And wheresoever you people are, turn your faces (in prayer) in that direction.  Certainly, the people who were given the Scriptures (i.e. Jews and the Christians) know well that, that (your turning towards the direction of the Ka'ba at Makka in prayers) is the truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do.

And even if you were to bring to the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) all the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.), they would not follow your Qiblah (prayer direction), nor are you going to follow their Qiblah (prayer direction).
  


The Noble Qur'an: Al-Baqara 2:143-145  


Now, Pls read intelligently word for word what is in the link below. Don't just criticize without knowledge.


http://muttaqun.com/salahframes.html

[ Last edited by KENNKID on 16-2-2005 at 04:17 PM ]
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Post time 16-2-2005 04:50 PM | Show all posts
Incidentally, I also found this in the link above:


PRAYING IN A CHURCH

Fiqh-us-Sunnah 2.75

Abu Musa al-Ash'ari and 'Umar ibn 'Abdulaziz prayed in a church. Ash-Sh'abiy, 'Ata, and Ibn Sireen did not see anything wrong with praying in a church [if one happened to be in a church at the time of salah]. Al-Bukhari says: "Ibn 'Abbas would pray in churches [under unusual circumstances] except for those with statues or sculptures." The Muslims of Najran wrote to 'Umar saying that they found no place cleaner or better to pray in than a church. 'Umar wrote to them: "Sprinkle it with water and leaves and pray therein."
According to the Hanafi and Shaf'i schools, it is disliked to pray in such places in general.

[ Last edited by KENNKID on 16-2-2005 at 04:52 PM ]
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 Author| Post time 16-2-2005 08:14 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Seraphim at 16-2-2005 07:24 AM:


Does circling around it and kneeling and bowing at that direction of kaba signify "worship"?Like what i've been trying to mentioned earlier on..If you want to categorize the Chiristia ...


but, we did not believe kaaba is represent god!

unlike to christian.. who worship idols (be it statues or images), they tend to think they are worshipping god in front of them!

here, i made differentiate between what we think about kaaba, and what christian think about the idols infront of them...
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Post time 16-2-2005 11:45 PM | Show all posts
Well Greeky, from all your posts you definitely are not admitting that muslims attached A LOT OF SIGNIFICANCE TO THE KAABA AND THE BLACK STONE.

When muslim fanatics bomb or set fire to churches, do you see christians running around bombing or burning mosques?

It is because we do not think the building or the statues are GODS, it is just a place of worship, we can always build another one.

TRY BURNING A MOSQUE OR GOD FORBID DESTROYING THE KAABA AND THE BLACK STONE, MUSLIMS WILL MOST PROBABLY GRIND YOUR BONES TO DUST.

OUR LORD IS IN OUR HEARTS, YOUR FOCUS IS IN AN INANIMATE OBJECT/S AND YOUR MOSQUES.

I remember how muslims rejoice that their mosque still stand in banda Acheh, as if the death of 200,000 muslims mean nothing.

Whether a church stands or not is unimportant to us as THE CHURCH IS THE PEOPLE MAKING UP THE BELIEVERS NOT THE INANIMATE BUILDING.

[ Last edited by nightlord on 16-2-2005 at 11:49 PM ]
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Post time 17-2-2005 12:13 PM | Show all posts
Oh, is it? Then what will fellow Christians do if The Nativity Church was bombed? Build another one?

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Yes, the circling of Ka'aba synifies worship. This was commanded by God and (in practice) shown by Muhammad himself. Well, doing God 's commandment signifies worship, right? I have posted, in various threads, over and over that the direction, the praying towards Ka''aba was given by God.

Then, if we, as the faithfuls are not to follow, who else?
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 Author| Post time 17-2-2005 12:27 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by nightlord at 16-2-2005 05:45 PM:
Well Greeky, from all your posts you definitely are not admitting that muslims attached A LOT OF SIGNIFICANCE TO THE KAABA AND THE BLACK STONE.

When muslim fanatics bomb or set fire to churches, ...


when you dont worship statues, doesnt mean that we have to justify you (singular you) to represent other christian who worship statue made of hand!

many people in greece belief in that statue.. praying, asking for many thing.. bow, and kneel! for what? some even cry in front of that statue.. for what.. i say, FOR NOTHING!
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Post time 17-2-2005 10:57 PM | Show all posts
Well Kaiser you are  so wrong, do some reading first.

The circling of the Kaaba was not invented by Mohd, it exist before Mohd and was a way of worshipping pagan gods.

I think you should forget Kaaba as it has pagan links like Valentines day.
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Post time 18-2-2005 10:28 AM | Show all posts
Oh, really? Perhaps you do not know that their paganistic ritualhas nothing to do with Ka'aba. Around the Ka'aba is some 300 idols. They are worshipping that idols, not praying to Ka'aba whatsoever. Their circling of Ka'aba is not praying, but rather because of orgiastic feast and dancing!

Got the facts?
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 Author| Post time 18-2-2005 10:55 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by KaiserPheonix at 18-2-2005 04:28 AM:
Oh, really? Perhaps you do not know that their paganistic ritualhas nothing to do with Ka'aba. Around the Ka'aba is some 300 idols. They are worshipping that idols, not praying to Ka'aba whatsoever ...


kaiser, you have to tell him too,
that Vacitan City that their grand master of christian stay was built on
a spot of old roman pagan temple!
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Post time 18-2-2005 11:22 PM | Show all posts
have any of you muslim ever go to church???

like i said earlier...if you never go to church, then try it just once, then observe...

then come back to this forum and tell us what you see...
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Post time 19-2-2005 12:36 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by me at 2005-2-18 11:22 PM:
have any of you muslim ever go to church???

like i said earlier...if you never go to church, then try it just once, then observe...

then come back to this forum and tell us what you see...


I see idolatry in all forms. BUT The worst idolatry of all is when your minister or preacher states this:

"He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew  him not.  Jesus is the Creator.   God created all things alone and by himself yet now we find Jesus iis the Creator.  The only thing this could mean is that Jesus alone is God.  Jesus alone is Creator.  He had no other helpers."

That is the greatest idolatry of all idolatries, the greatest loss of all losses, the greatest lie of all lies, the greatest paganism of all paganisms.

Here are the words of your lost so-called 'men of God'. The greatest insult to God, ever:


:devil:http://www.jigministries.com/

[ Last edited by KENNKID on 19-2-2005 at 12:37 PM ]
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