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[Tempatan] Ramai Tak Tahu Islam Melarang Jual Beli Kucing – Fathul Bari

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Post time 25-2-2016 09:05 PM | Show all posts
Mary_jane posted on 25-2-2016 09:03 PM
Kesian kucing kalau tinggal sorang2 kat rumah takde sapa jaga. Letak luar kang jadi lauk dek anjing  ...

bela la sepasang..bagi dia kawan

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Post time 25-2-2016 09:05 PM | Show all posts
baulu replied at 25-2-2016 09:03 PM
1. Klu ikut fatwa Wilayah Persekutuan, depa ambik pendapat makruh.

2. Basically ulama ada 3 pen ...

okay Good Puan Baulu

macam ni la - ada ke link ke website mufti tu dan dinyatakan huraian ? good sharing



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Post time 25-2-2016 09:07 PM | Show all posts
baulu replied at 25-2-2016 09:03 PM
1. Klu ikut fatwa Wilayah Persekutuan, depa ambik pendapat makruh.

2. Basically ulama ada 3 pen ...

Moderator - please give her credits sebab

bukan datang untuk berbuat fasad tapi clarify dengan information dan bukan seperti sesetangah yg lain  tahu menangguk di air keruh dan mengecam islam

this is what you have in CI kan?

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Post time 25-2-2016 09:11 PM | Show all posts
pernah berapa kali pegi pasar tamu karat sect 13 shah alam pada hari ahad...
ada a few peniaga yang berniaga pet termasuk kucing  baka berkualiti...
cian meliat anak anak kucing tu ...
dah ler panas .... terkurung dalam sangkar kecil...
bebudak yang lalu asik menjolok jolok jari ... mencuit cuit anak kucing tue ...
anak anak kucing tu suma tampak stresss.... iols tak sampai hati nak meliatt...
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Post time 25-2-2016 09:12 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
mbhcsf replied at 25-2-2016 09:05 PM
okay Good Puan Baulu

macam ni la - ada ke link ke website mufti tu dan dinyatakan huraian ? go ...

http://www.muftiwp.gov.my/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=577:hukum-jual-beli-kucing&catid=67&Itemid=392
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Post time 25-2-2016 09:12 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
MeghanK replied at 25-2-2016 09:05 PM
bela la sepasang..bagi dia kawan

Berdua. Tapi masing2 tak reti jaga diri.
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Post time 25-2-2016 09:14 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Buying and selling Cats
Majority of scholars view it is permissible to sell cats and some scholars are of the view that it is forbidden to sell cats. The most correct view is that it is Haram to sell cats because of the following hadith

Abu’l-Zubayr  said: “I asked Jaabir about the price of dogs and cats. He said, ‘The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade that.’” (Narrated by Muslim, 1569).

Abu Dawood (3479) and al-Tirmidhi (1279) narrated that Jaabir ibn ‘Abd-Allaah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade the price of dogs and cats. Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood.

Some scholars are of the view that these ahaadeeth are da’eef (weak), but their view is to be rejected.

Al-Nawawi said in al-Majmoo’ (9/269): As for what as al-Khattaabi and Ibn al-Mundhir said about the hadeeth being weak, this is a mistake on their part, because the hadeeth in Saheeh Muslim has a saheeh isnaad. End quote.

Al-Shawkaani said in Nayl al-Awtaar (6/227), refuting the majority who interpret the prohibition in the hadeeth as meaning that it is makrooh and that selling cats is not a noble attitude or sign of chivalry: It is obvious that this is understanding the prohibition in a way that is contrary to its true meaning for no reason. End quote.

Al-Bayhaqi said in al-Sunan (6/18), also refuting the majority: Some scholars have interpreted it as referring to cats that are wild and cannot be caught. Some claim that this applied at the beginning of Islam when cats were ruled to be naajis (impure), but when it was ruled that their leftover food and water are taahir (pure), it became permissible to sell them. But there is no clear evidence for either of these two views. End quote.

Ibn al-Qayyim stated that it is definitely haraam to sell them in Zaad al-Ma’aad (5/773) where he said: This was stated in a ruling (fatwa) by Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) and it is the view of Tawoos, Mujaahid, Jaabir ibn Zayd and all the Zaahiri scholars, and it is one of the two views narrated from Ahmad. This is the correct view, because the ahaadeeth which state that are saheeh, and there is no evidence to the contrary, so this is the view that must be adopted. End quote.

Ibn al-Mundhir said: If it is proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade selling them, then such sales are invalid, otherwise they are permissible. End quote from al-Majmoo’, 9/269
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Post time 25-2-2016 09:20 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Maideen. replied at 25-2-2016 08:23 PM
Menurut ulamak ianya hanya boleh jika ada akad sahaja!
Wallahualam.


So boleh le kan maideen. Tapi jual kucing tak boleh. Wallahualam
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Post time 25-2-2016 09:20 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
So weak hadith is what most agree on. Takyah la argue2 on weak hadith. Dari argue baik bela stray cats. Janji dah dapat pahala. Nothing weak about that opinion.

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Post time 25-2-2016 09:21 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts

The Islamic Ruling on:
Buying and Selling Cats and Dogs
Shaykh 'Abdullaah al-Bassaam
Source: Tawdheeh al-Ahkaam min Buloogh al-Maraam (4/245-246)
Translated exclusively for www.bakkah.net by Abul-'Abbaas

[ In the Name of Allah, the All-Merciful... ]

667 - On the authority of Aboo az-Zubayr, who said: I asked Jaabir about (the ruling on) the revenue (from the sale) of cats and dogs. He replied, "The Prophet (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) strictly forbade (zajara) that." It was collected by Muslim and an-Nasaa'ee, who added: "Except for hunting dogs." [1]
The Authenticity of the Hadeeth:

Imaam Ahmad declared the additional phrase of an-Nasaa'ee to be dha'eef (unauthentic), and an-Nasaa'ee himself had declared it to be unauthentic and contradictory (munkar). Also, an-Nawawee and as-Suyootee called it dha'eef and relayed a consensus among the scholars of hadeeth regarding that.

What is Understood From the Hadeeth:

  1 - The hadeeth provides proof for the prohibition of buying and selling cats and the impermissibility of the revenue (from its sale), even while it is permissible to keep one without any real need, since:

  [a] There is no prohibition of it;

  [b] And due to what is in the two Saheehs (of al-Bukhaaree and Muslim) that a woman went to the Hellfire because of a cat that she kept inside, neither feeding it nor letting it out to eat from the insects of the land;

  [c] And since it is taahirah (clean, pure) as a living creature.

And this (the impermissibility of buying and selling cats) is the position of a group of the scholars, from them are the Hanbalees, since the legality of a sale is only for things considered to be "wealth", and cats are not considered wealth.

And the majority of the scholars held that the buying and selling (of cats) is permissible. They understood the hadeeth (#667 above) is to be understood as a deterrent (less than a prohibition) and something that indicates one's good character (that he does not buy or sell cats). They also stated that the people have always been giving them as gifts and loaning them (and these are kinds of transactions), being lenient in that.

However, this goes against the apparent meaning (of the hadeeth), since an order to refrain from something necessitates that thing being impermissible. And in this case there is a zajar (strict prohibition), which is stronger than an ordinary prohibition. The reason for the prohibition here would be the lack of any intended benefit from it (having a cat).

  2 - The hadeeth is also a proof for the prohibition of buying and selling dogs and the revenue made from their sales. This is supported by what is in the two Saheehs, from the hadeeth of Aboo Mas'ood, who said, "The Prophet (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) forbade the revenue made from the sale of dogs." And a text prohibiting the revenue of a sale logically includes a prohibition of the sale itself. This is because dogs are entirely impure (najas al-'ayn), and there is to be no benefit gained from them except when in need.

  3 - The hadeeth found in the two Saheehs is general (including all kinds of dogs), however there is an additional phrase collected by an-Nasaa'ee, the authenticity of which has been discussed, that it is dha'eef (weak, unauthentic): "Except for a hunting dog."

And due to this additional phrase the scholars have differed over the permissibility of buying and selling them (hunting dogs).

The position of the majority, from them are the two imaams: ash-Shaafi'ee and Ahmad, is that buying and selling them is not permissible, even if they are hunting dogs, or used for farming or as shepherds. To keep one for these reasons is permissible, but buying and selling them and the revenue from such sales remains impermissible, since the base ruling on a text that orders us to refrain from doing something is that the action is impermissible.

Al-Khattaabee said, "The permissibility of making use of something in times of necessity is not something that proves the permissibility of its sale. This is like the meat of dead animals (not killed according to Islamic laws), it is permissible for someone to eat it under necessity, while its sale remains impermissible. And Aboo Haneefah held that it is permissible to sell it in general, whether or not it is permissible to make use of it."

And 'Ataa' ibn Abee Ribaah and Ibraaheem an-Nakha'ee said that when it is permissible to have dogs, then buying and selling them is permissible; and when having them is not permissible, then buying and selling them is not permissible.
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Post time 25-2-2016 09:21 PM | Show all posts
baulu replied at 25-2-2016 09:03 PM
1. Klu ikut fatwa Wilayah Persekutuan, depa ambik pendapat makruh.

2. Basically ulama ada 3 pen ...

ada ke? bagi la mana fatwa tu

kalau ada pon, yela, hak ekslusif untuk cherry pick hanya ada pada lobai dan lobainita sahaja

kalau orang lain cherry picking, haram dan jatuh kafir
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Post time 25-2-2016 09:24 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
abangbikerz replied at 25-2-2016 06:41 PM
Jual hamba abdi boleh kan????

Betul betul betul. Jual hamba abdi utk dijadikan hamba kat estet
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Post time 25-2-2016 09:24 PM | Show all posts
ustaz fathul bari taknak ulas panjang lebar isu pemerdagangan manusia dari segi islam dan undang2 antarabangsa? ke takut bos marah?
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Post time 25-2-2016 09:25 PM | Show all posts
cherub replied at 25-2-2016 09:20 PM
So weak hadith is what most agree on. Takyah la argue2 on weak hadith. Dari argue baik bela stray ca ...

hadis lemah?

lemah dari segi ape?

sape yang kata hadis ni lemah
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Post time 25-2-2016 09:33 PM | Show all posts
oh gosh

hadith lemah?
hadith sahih?
hadith 50-50?
hadith bapak kucing?
hadith bukhari

nanti kita dengar radio "isim" ulas
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Post time 25-2-2016 09:34 PM | Show all posts
abangbikerz replied at 25-2-2016 09:20 PM
So boleh le kan maideen. Tapi jual kucing tak boleh. Wallahualam

Benerrrr....... jual beli manusia hamba abdi memang halal tapi jual beli kucing harom! Hahahahaha

Nak buat camna biker.....dah hukom Allah!

Takbirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
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Post time 25-2-2016 09:34 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Memandangkan ada yg tanya pasal binatang2 lain ada lagi sikit:

1. Hukum jual beli diqiyaskan pada binatang peliharaan lain.
2. Kecuali binatang2 kurban.
3. Haram jual beli binatang2 yg haram dimakan. Seperti iguana, burmese python etc.
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Post time 25-2-2016 09:36 PM | Show all posts
MissNigga replied at 25-2-2016 09:11 PM
pernah berapa kali pegi pasar tamu karat sect 13 shah alam pada hari ahad...
ada a few peniaga yang ...

Itulah sebabnya...cuba bayangkan kalau Nabi yang lalu tengok keadaan kucing macam tuh. Nak2nya Nabi pulak jenis 'cat lover'. Kita yang tengok pun tak sampai hati inikan Nabi...

Tak mustahil Nabi keluarkan hadis dalam situasi macam tuh....terus dia keluarkan hukum haram jual beli kucing. Bukannya sebab apa pun...tapi sebab dia nampak macam zalim pulak kurung kucing tuh macam tuh.

Boleh fahamlah Nabi tuh pun manusia juga ada rasa...lagi pun bukan ayat Quran pun tapi hadis maknanya hukum datang dari dia bukan dari Allah.
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Post time 25-2-2016 09:38 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Fieza-mira replied at 25-2-2016 09:36 PM
Itulah sebabnya...cuba bayangkan kalau Nabi yang lalu tengok keadaan kucing macam tuh. Nak2nya Nab ...

Tapi jual beli manusia boleh
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Post time 25-2-2016 09:40 PM | Show all posts
Fieza-mira replied at 25-2-2016 09:36 PM
Itulah sebabnya...cuba bayangkan kalau Nabi yang lalu tengok keadaan kucing macam tuh. Nak2nya Nab ...

lawak gile korang ni
kalau sesuatu hukum tu terkena batang hidung korang, meroyan tak cukup tanah korang bantah

siap buat andaian, tafsiran sendiri

kalau orang lain yang bantah, dah lama dah kena cop kafir
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