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Post time 25-2-2014 12:59 PM | Show all posts
crazecousa posted on 25-2-2014 12:28 PM
hehehe balik keje kang kena download la jawabnye... x seram sgt kan?

tak seram la..biasa2 je
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Post time 25-2-2014 12:59 PM | Show all posts
lucky_peace posted on 25-2-2014 12:32 PM
cam bez je, cume tak berani nak tgk sesorang....

tak seram mne pon..
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Post time 25-2-2014 01:05 PM | Show all posts
niceghost2005 posted on 25-2-2014 11:09 AM
Tabiat ni dah lama wujud.

Kat negara Arab...jaman Rasulullah saw.............ada satu kes mcm nie ...

Yang nih?

رقم الحديث: 208
(حديث مرفوع) أَخْبَرَنَا أَحْمَدُ بْنُ عَبْدِ الْغَفَّارِ ، أنا أَبُو بَكْرِ بْنُ أَبِي نَصْرٍ ، نا أَبُو الشَّيْخِ ، نا عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ عَبْدِ الْكَرِيمِ ، نا أَبُو يُوسُفَ الْقُلُوسِيُّ ، نامُعَاذُ بْنُ هَانِئٍ أَبُو هَانِئٍ السُّكَّرِيُّ ، نا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ عُبَيْدِ بْنِ عُمَيْرٍ ، عَنِ ابْنِ أَبِي مُلَيْكَةَ ، عَنِ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ قَالَ : قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ : " حَوْضِي مَسِيرَةُ شَهْرٍ مَا بَيْنَ زَوَايَاهُ سَوَاءٌ ، كِيزَانُهُ كَنُجُومِ السَّمَاءِ ، مَاؤُهُ أَبْيَضُ مِنَ الْوَرِقِ وَأَحْلَى مِنَ الْعَسَلِ ، وَرِيحُهُ أَطْيَبُ مِنَ الْمِسْكِ ، مَنْ شَرِبَ مِنْهُ لَمْ يَظْمَأْ بَعْدَهُ أَبَدًا " . .






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Post time 25-2-2014 01:07 PM | Show all posts
niceghost2005 posted on 25-2-2014 11:09 AM
Tabiat ni dah lama wujud.

Kat negara Arab...jaman Rasulullah saw.............ada satu kes mcm nie ...

Saya rasa kamu silap tafsir hadis :-
The False Allegation of Muhammad having sex with a dead body
The allegation is that Muhammad had sex with Fatima bint Asad when she was dead.

It is a nonsensical and a malicious claim which is gaining some popularity amongst the aberrations on the internet

The simplest way to disprove this allegation is to go to Islamic Jurisprudence.

As the charge is that of necrophilia (sex with a dead body) we can look into Islamic theology. If the allegation is true then the act of necrophilia would be allowed in Islam. So what does the expert (Ibn Hajar Haytami) say?

Well, he includes necrophilia in his list of sins [1]. Thus we can realise necrophilia is not allowed in Islam and the Prophet did not engage in such a deed.

In fact if we consult Fiqh we realise “it is unlawful to look at the nakedness of the deceased or touch it” [2].Thus further showing sex with the deceased (dead) cannot possibly be allowed. This further shows the Prophet did not engage in such a deed as if he did then the practice of necrophilia would have been allowed in Islam.

Now we know the claim of necrophilia against Prophet Muhammad is incorrect we can analyse the methodology used by the claimant (Zakaria Botros) and the narration he uses. This course of action will suffice for us to be fully conversant with this claim and able to explain why the claims are erroneous (false).

It is important to be able to explain it as there is a growing number of willing propagators of such falsehood, thus this false claim will only become popular if good people sit on their hands.

Analysing the Allegation: Authentic?

The narration which is used is from a book named Kanza ul Amal. This book contains fabricated and weak narrations, thus is not recognised as an authoritative source (individual narrations need to be checked).

Regardless of the authenticity let’s still look at the narration and context to gain understanding so we can realise the actual meaning of such a narration (regardless of authenticity)

The Narration

Narrated by Ibn Abbas:

"I (Muhammad) put on her my shirt that she may wear the clothes of heaven, and I SLEPT with her in her coffin (grave) that I may lessen the pressure of the grave. She was the best of Allah's creatures to me after Abu Talib"... The prophet was referring to Fatima, the mother of Ali.

Looking at the narration alone one would not cry “necrophilia” or any wrong doing as “sex” is not mentioned. However, simply looking at the narration’s English translation one would find it odd. Sleeping with somebody in a coffin (grave) is an odd occurrence indeed. However, once the context is given we realise what actually happened.

The Context and Explanation

Firstly the translation of “I slept” does not best convey the meaning based on the context, the Arabic word translated as “I Slept” is Idtaja’ (اضطجع ). This word can either mean:
lie down, lie, recline, repose [3].

I hope you have noticed within the list of definitions (lie down, lie, recline, repose) the word “sleep” (or “sex”) does not appear. Lane’s Lexicon does indicate it can refer to sleeping too:

lay upon his side; or] he laid his side upon the
ground; [and simply he lay; and he slept [4]

Though the word can refer to sleep, I have seen NO indication in Lane’s Lexicon nor the other dictionary which indicates the word means sex. (I will elaborate on this later on in this paper whilst discussing Father Zakaria’s bizarre and fallacious interpretation of the narration)

So we are left with the question: did Muhammad sleep or lie in the grave?

The context explains it all, as it was a grave we realise the word cannot possibly mean “sleep” but rather it means “lie/lay in the grave”.

This actually makes sense with the other bits of context we have at our disposal; “When the grave was prepared Muhammad himself examined it and placed her into the grave” [5].

Thus, it is reasonable to think the examination procedure also involved Muhammad lying in the grave. This would not have been at length in terms of duration (time). Therefore we realize Muhammad simply laid in the grave to make sure it was comfortable for his deceased foster mother as well as to honour the lady as it would be seen as a fabulous honor to be resting in a place where a Prophet of God had previously laid.

Did Muhammad Lie with his Foster Mother (Fatima Bint Asad) in the Grave?

It does not appear so as the process of investigating/examining the grave would have been PRIOR (before) lowering Fatima Bint Asad into the grave. Therefore Muhammad would have reclined (lied) in the grave in order to check the grave before Fatima was placed in the grave, thus he would not have lied with her. Furthermore, there were two types of graves in vogue at the time of the Prophet which were Lahd and Shaqq (shiq) [6], [7].

The Shaqq type of grave is characterized by a niche within the grave for the dead body to be placed within. So it is impossible to lie with the body due to the niche. [8]
The Lahd form of grave is characterized by a lateral hollow which is dug into the side of the base of the grave for the body to be placed [8]. This type of grave makes lying with the deceased body risky as the earth could cave in on top of the body and the one who is lying with the deceased.

Thus, it seems the laying in the grave for examination purposes was done prior to Fatima being lowered into her resting place. This is despite the Arabic phraseology used literally denoting “with”:

اضطجعت معها في قبرها

However, even if one takes it literally it does not mean wrong doing took place and it certainly does not refer to sex.

If Muhammad did lie with his foster mother whilst she was in the grave in order to check for comfort and honor her before the companions filled the grave it would only have been for a short time and this would have been witnessed by other people too. There is nothing wrong with lying in the grave to ensure comfort for your foster mother and honor; in fact it was an act of great compassion.

Having established all the above we can move on to discuss and deconstruct the misdirection of Father Zakaria (the one who initially made this fallacious claim)



This seems to be a transcript of Father Zakaria’s explanation to the narration:


The Arabic scholar Demetrius explains: "The Arabic word used here for "slept" is "Id'tajat," and literally means "lay down" with her. It is often used to mean, "lay down to have sex." Muhammad is understood as saying that because he slept with her she has become like a wife to him so she will be considered like a "mother of the believers." This will supposedly prevent her from being tormented in the grave, since Muslims believed that as people wait for the Judgment Day they will be tormented in the grave. "Reduce the pressure" here means that the torment won't be as much because she is now a "mother of the believers" after Muhammad slept with her and "consummated" the union."

Firstly, who is “Demetrius”? Zakaria gives no introduction to this scholar. Why? I have had a look at Lane’s Lexicon and I did not get the inference the word meant sex. However, this is a smaller point in the deconstruction of Zakaria’s claim.

We will look at Father Zakaria’s unauthorised interpretation of the event and show the holes within his reasoning.

Have Sex with Her in Order to give her a Special Status?

Zakaria states:

“Muhammad is understood as saying that because he slept with her she has become like a wife to him so she will be considered like a "mother of the believers””

Zakaria’s premise is that Muhammad had sex with Fatima because he wanted her to attain special status as the “mother of the believers”. Well, Zakaria’s premise falls flat on its face because Fatima bint Asad already had the special status of being Muhammad’s foster mother. [5]

In the transcript this information has been withheld (i.e. nobody is told of her special status as the foster mother of Muhammad). Why is this information not relayed to us in the transcript which is circulating the internet? It is because Zakaria’s premise is thrown into doubt immediately if we are told she already has a special status. Thus if she already had a special status then there would be no need for her to be given the special status of being “like a wife to him” as she was already like a mother to him (Muhammad).

So Father Zakaria’s reasoning is flawed from the start. However, it gets worse for the Zakaria.

“She has become like a wife to him”

Father Zakaria is trying to fool us. He is claiming Muhammad had sex with Fatima in order for her to have a status of a wife of Muhammad and thus the title of “mother of the believers”.

Zakaria is either ignorant or dishonest.

Muhammad could NOT possibly have taken Fatima Bint Asad as a wife as Islamic Law dictates consent be given by BOTH parties in a marriage; of course marrying a dead person would not be allowed simply based on this injunction. Father Zakaria knows this but continues with his fanciful claim because it suits his agenda to besmirch the reputation of the Prophet Muhammad

So the point here is that Fatima could never have become his wife through such an act, despite Father Zakaria’s nonsensical pleadings. Thus Father Zakaria is looking even more foolish in his claim. It gets more embarrassing for Father Zakaria

“Muhammad did this to save her from the torment of the grave”?

Father Zakaria is showing signs of a fertile imagination and utter ignorance.

If we consult Ahadith literature we will realise Muhammad’s PRAYER made the grave a better abode for people (Hadith) through the grace of God. This shows us if Muhammad seriously felt Fatima Bint Asad was in danger of the punishment of the grave he would have simply PRAYED for her grave to be a better dwelling. [9]

Thus we realise Zakaria’s debauched idea that sex (or marriage) is required to save a person from the punishment of the grave is warped and fallacious to say the least. It gets worse for Father Zakaria.


“Muslims believed that as people wait for the Judgment Day they will be tormented in the grave”

Zakaria is showing signs of clear ignorance. Muslims of course believe in the punishment of the grave but those whom Allah is pleased with are NOT punished. Fatima Bint Asad is considered a saintly woman thus Muslims do not believe she is subjected to the punishment of the grave.

In fact the Muslim belief concerning pious people (such as Fatima Bint Asad) is that their graves will reflect Paradise and will be very comfortable and blissful indeed.

'The grave is a garden of paradise or a pit of hell." (Mishkat)

Rasulullah said, 'The grave is a garden of paradise or a pit of hell.' (Mishkat).
Concerning the pious people (such as Fatima Bint Asad) “A believer will answer all three questions and he will be honored with the clothing of Jannah. The window of Jannah will be opened for him and he will enjoy the sight of Jannah” (Mishkat) (appendix 1)

Thus we realise the grave of a saintly woman (i.e. Fatima Bint Asad) would not be one of torment but of splendour, peace and bliss. She will also see Jannah (Paradise).

This just illustrates Father Zakaria’s ignorance and shows his crackpot idea of Muhammad having sex with his foster mother in order to save her from torment is unadulterated nonsense and a product of a very strange mind indeed.


Father Zakaria’s Hypocrisy

The one making this odd claim is a Christian and it just goes to reveal his hypocritical nature because the same word (a construct of Idtaja) is used in the Arabic Bible and it is not translated as sex but is translated as “LAID”. Does Father Zakaria want to be consistent now and withdraw his silly claims?

Please also bear in mind the dictionary references (given earlier) which disprove Father Zakaria’s malicious claims, well the Bible is now disproving hm.

The same Arabic word is used in the Bible (2Kings 4:32) and it is translated as “laid” and not sex or anything of that nature:

وَدَخَلَ أَلِيشَعُ الْبَيْتَ وَإِذَا بِالصَّبِيِّ مَيْتٌ وَمُضْطَجعٌ عَلَى سَرِيرِهِ.

English Translation: And when Elisha was come into the house, behold, the child was dead, and laid upon his bed. (KJV)

This along with the dictionary references shown earlier just further indicates the narration in question has nothing to do with sex.

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Post time 25-2-2014 01:17 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Keranda kecik ke badan tu besau
Saiko punya olang
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Cane kalo pancut dalam pastu mayat tu termengandung.. Nnti kuar baby hantu.. Hahaha
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Scary nye..
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Pondan bersepah ade...aduyaiii
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Post time 25-2-2014 02:16 PM | Show all posts
gogo2 posted on 25-2-2014 01:07 PM
Saya rasa kamu silap tafsir hadis :-
The False Allegation of Muhammad having sex with a dead body ...

Hang yg SILAP tafsir aku.

Aku kata.............di jaman Rasulullah saw sudah ada kes seperti ini.
BUKAN Rasulullah saw yg buat.

Dan aku TIDAK PERNAH refer kpd ceghiter yg hang tempek di atas.

Jaman Rom n Parsi pung sama gak.
Jaman Medieval pung ada...........

Ia itu perbuatan menyetubuhi oghang mati/mayit.

Harap maklum

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Post time 25-2-2014 02:18 PM | Show all posts
mcama ni pun hadooo
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Post time 25-2-2014 02:19 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
yucks!! x bau mayat ke hidung mamat tu??
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Post time 25-2-2014 02:22 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
gila gigih korek kubur... ceh...
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macam-macam hal..
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Post time 25-2-2014 02:27 PM | Show all posts
skeezotone posted on 25-2-2014 01:39 PM
Cane kalo pancut dalam pastu mayat tu termengandung.. Nnti kuar baby hantu.. Hahaha

Ikut gak la...kalau org tu mati time period mmg kompem la air mani tu x dapat disenyawakan!

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Post time 25-2-2014 02:33 PM | Show all posts
niceghost2005 posted on 25-2-2014 11:09 AM
Tabiat ni dah lama wujud.

Kat negara Arab...jaman Rasulullah saw.............ada satu kes mcm nie ...

yang pasal kisah pencuri kain kafan tu kan nama dia muaz bin jabal...

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Post time 25-2-2014 02:41 PM | Show all posts
farahfatihah posted on 25-2-2014 02:33 PM
yang pasal kisah pencuri kain kafan tu kan nama dia muaz bin jabal...

Nama dia..................aku x ingat.
Tapi memang KES CURI KAIN KAPAN.

Alhamdullilah................ada gak yg terbaca akan hal ini.
SYUKRAN

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Post time 25-2-2014 02:46 PM | Show all posts
niceghost2005 posted on 25-2-2014 02:41 PM
Nama dia..................aku x ingat.
Tapi memang KES CURI KAIN KAPAN.

ada...7 tahun dia kerja curi kain kafan last skali pas curi dia rogol mayat perempuan ansar tu..dgn kuasa Allah mayat tu bercakap dan  timbul rasa kesal pd muaz...smpaikan nabi pun suruh muaz p jauh sbb takut bahang api neraka terkena baginda...bila dah lama dia myesal dan bertaubat akhirnya Allah ampunkan dosa dia.....

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Post time 25-2-2014 02:49 PM | Show all posts
farahfatihah posted on 25-2-2014 02:46 PM
ada...7 tahun dia kerja curi kain kafan last skali pas curi dia rogol mayat perempuan ansar tu..dg ...

Hmmmm................

Yg aku baca kisahnya laen skit.
Last last Rasulullah saw suh dia pi jauh. (sebab x pernah berlaku lagi kes mcm nie sebelumnya)

Pemuda itew pung pergi dari situ hingga ke satu tempat.
Di situ dia memohon ampun kpd Allah swt dan menyatakan kekesalannya dan meninggal.

Malaikat Jibrail pun datang kpd Rasulullah saw dan menyatakan ALlah swt menerima taubat pemuda itu.
Dia menyuruh Rasulullah saw pergi ambil mayat dan selenggarakan dgn baik.



Waallahua'lam

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Post time 25-2-2014 05:50 PM | Show all posts
pelik2 je lelaki bdoh ni, ape la salah nya kuarkan duit sikit g langgan pelacur =='
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Post time 25-2-2014 06:22 PM | Show all posts
gila isim betoi
da tarak luit sgt ka mau cari ayam

pfftttttt
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