Ismail or Isyak ?!

Duh I feel wieard no body dare to question my announcement about bible full of contradiction. by Anti-Aktivis

Salam A-A, long time not around huh! Welcome back A-A & K_K

To your statement above, just for the simple reason because it is the truth.

Just see the proofs of contradictions in the bible here.

And Ishmael his son was thirteen years old, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.
Gen 17:24

one year later

And he said, I will certainly return unto thee according to the time of life; and, lo, Sarah thy wife shall have a son. And Sarah heard it in the tent door, which was behind him.
Gen 18:10

two years later

And the child grew, and was weaned: and Abraham made a great feast the same day that Isaac was weaned.
And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham, mocking.
Gen 21:8-9

so that's it..


And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread, and a bottle of water, and gave it unto Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, and the child, and sent her away: and she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba.
Gen 21:14

the child here is the 16 years old Ishmael....according to the bible his mother carried him on her shoulder.....sixteen years old!!

karengkang

Originally posted by Iman_6 at 27-12-2006 05:23 PM



the child here is the 16 years old Ishmael....according to the bible his mother carried him on her shoulder.....sixteen years old!!

hah..

i plan to save this point when Nick Perelman answer my post..
u ruined it lol

Originally posted by karengkang at 27-12-2006 05:26 PM


hah..

i plan to save this point when Nick Perelman answer my post..
u ruined it lol

Salam Karengkang.

Sorry...but  you can get many more points to butttt him. don't worry.

karengkang

anyway, i want to answer this

Originally posted by Nick_Perelman at 27-12-2006 06:34 AM
I dont write Koranic, because Koran does not say that Ishmael was sacrificed

because your brain still trapped with Bible and Jewish ideology..
"only son"  - the only son that still remain :lol

by the way,
i advice u to read and understand Surah As-Syaffaat (Q37:100- 113)
it tell the direct answer (who what to believe)

anti_aktivis

Originally posted by Iman_6 at 27-12-2006 05:23 PM



Salam A-A, long time not around huh! Welcome back A-A & K_K

To your statement above, just for the simple reason because it is the truth.

Just see the proofs of contradictions in the ...

Thanks Iman.

BTW Good anwser.

Originally posted by karengkang at 27-12-2006 05:35 PM
anyway, i want to answer this



because your brain still trapped with Bible and Jewish ideology..
"only son"  - the only son that still remain :lol

by the way,
i advice u to rea ...

I dont think Nick is even Jewish and living at whereever he said he was.  He's too ....Debmey-ish...to be Jewish.   Nick does not seem to know what's going on around him at whereever he said he was, apart from what's printed in the papers and he seem oblivious of his neighbours, the Palestinians. Jewishness is genetic, not acquired Nick.

Btw,the Hebrew Bible even mentioned that some descendants of Isaac also became pagan.  Did you skip "rophets" all from Kings all together?  Isaiah lamented for nothing!

Nick_Perelman

Originally posted by anti_aktivis at 27-12-2006 11:30 AM


And u call it original hebrew bible just because it hosted in israel university and in hebrew language?

Duh duh duh.

Just simple as that? Duh

And which verse?

I knew that beside duh mooh and booh you wil not have any arguments.

Jewish communities lived separately for 2500 years from India to Morocco and Lithuania. They all have same exactly Hebrew Bible.

Originally posted by KENNKID at 27-12-2006 03:27 PM
Yes, God's revelation The Qur'an says it was Ishmael

First of all there is no proof that Koran is gods word.
Second of all Koran does not say it was Ishmael. Arabs say so because they are racists and jealous.

Nick_Perelman

Originally posted by karengkang at 27-12-2006 05:04 PM

"remained the only son"
this is what they (the corrupter) want u to believe...
maybe they forgot to delete the word "only son" when they altered that verse

why i said this ??
because....again, it show how stupid is God

example:
- Nick Perelman have 2 cars..because of financial problem, he have to sell one of his cars...now,he only have one car...years later, Nick Perelman's next neighbour want to borrow his car...

question: do the neighbour have to ask "i want to borrow your car, your only car........???

i would say the neighbour is STUPID !

so, we go back to Gen 22 verse.. (OT)
didn't God already knows there is only one son that left..
but He still says "..your son, your only son..."
is God that stupid ??

Your example is stupid. I will give another example. Image you have two cars and one of it u was told to send FOREVER  to some desert and you will never see it again. Now you remained with only one car.

Torah and Injeel original version is corrupted by Jewish
use your logic and make cross check..
guess what, Al-Quran tells u the direct answer for the contradictions..

Prove that it was corrupted. Brng the original Torah and prove that current was corrupted. I am waiting.

BTW, your Koran says that jews still HAVE Torah where IS God's law. Someoe of your two is lying. hehehe.

evidence of hundreds of people but still there are many contradiction...
Luke said this...Mark said that..John said yes...Matthew said no
too many writers..
hah...

Al-Quran doesn't need any evidence from man..
It only has one writer (which is God)

First of all I was talking about Torah.

Secodly , as usual you are changiung subject. Issue is not contradicions in Koran or Bible. Issue is how it was brought. Torah was brought when hundreds of thousands people were evident. How Koran was brought even Muhammads own wife could not see. It reminds me John Smith with his book.

yeah rite..
there also contradictions in that "mocking" verse..
but i don't want to discuss it now

Naturally you have nothing to say.

please show me which verse said that Ishmael became pagan ?

erkk...are u trying to run from the topic again ??

According to Koran both Isaac and Ishmael were rightful prophets.

According to Bible only Isaac was a rightful prophet, while Ishmael was a wild man that mocked his brother.

That explains why Isaacs descendants remained monotheist while Ishmaels turned into pagans. Islamic version cant explain that.

I can give you another question which Koran cant explain: why God made covenant first with Isaac;s descendants, although Isaac was youngest son.

all the best, Nick

Nick_Perelman

Originally posted by Iman_6 at 27-12-2006 05:14 PM
That site that you called spam happened to have valid references from non-muslim sources:

References

[1] Edward Gibbon (Introduction by Christopher Dawson), Gibbon's Decline And Fall Of The Roman Empire, Volume V, Everyman's Library, London, pp. 223-224.

[2] Translated by C H Oldfather, Diodorus Of Sicily, Volume II, William Heinemann Ltd., London & Harvard University Press, Cambridge, Massachusetts, MCMXXXV, p. 217.

[3] D G Hogarth, The Penetration Of Arabia, Alston Rivers Limited, London, 1905, p. 18.

[4] G E Von Grunebaum, Classical Islam: A History 600-1258, George Allen & Unwin Limited, 1970, p. 19.

[5] The Jewish Encylopedia, Volume II, Funk & Wagnalls Company, MDCCCCII, p. 415.

[6] David Noel Freedman (Editor-in-Chief), The Anchor Bible Dictionary, Volume I, Doubleday, p. 566.

I love women even when they talk silly stuff. Why you are listing books, you have never read?

Please answer me why Ishmael and his mom were kicked to desert while Isaac and Abraham and Sarah remained in Holy Land.

And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread, and a bottle of water, and gave it unto Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, and the child, and sent her away: and she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba.
Gen 21:14

the child here is the 16 years old Ishmael....according to the bible his mother carried him on her shoulder.....sixteen years old!!

Water was put on shoulder, not child. Just read carefuly, dear girl.

all the best,
Nick

anti_aktivis

Originally posted by Nick_Perelman at 27-12-2006 07:37 PM

I knew that beside duh mooh and booh you wil not have any arguments.

Jewish communities lived separately for 2500 years from India to Morocco and Lithuania. They all have same exactly Hebrew B ...

waaaa very good unsupported fact announcement.

Jewish communities lived separately for 2500 years from India to Morocco and Lithuania. They all have same exactly Hebrew Bible

Ki ki

I hope u already understand what is hebrew bible. Ok NM for additional info sake , did u know that Hebrew Bible @ Tanakh consist of 3 book?

Which is Torah , Khtuvim and Nevim.

And did u know contradiction exist in torah itself? U want me to share it?
Duh Duh

Nick_Perelman

You are very predictable. Could not answer single of my questions, everything you can produce is monkey like sounds "duuh", "muh", "kikiki".

all the best,
Nick

anti_aktivis

Originally posted by Nick_Perelman at 27-12-2006 09:14 PM
You are very predictable. Could not answer single of my questions, everything you can produce is monkey like sounds "duuh", "muh", "kikiki".

all the best,
Nick

Typical action by a stuck young brat who act genious , attack word rather than discussing about argument. Ki ki ,

So

And did u know contradiction exist in torah itself? U want me to share it?

Nick_Perelman

Again monkey sounds. :hmm:  The topic of this thread is Isaac and Ishmael, not contradictions. I asked you simple questions and you could not answer using the Islamic version. On the other hand Bible version of the story easily solves all mysteries.

Out of frustration u started to make monkey sounds and changing topic. If you want to discuss contradictions you are welcome. Open another thread and I will kick ur ass there. This topic however is about Isaac and Ishmael. Stay in topic.  ff:

all the best,
Nick

anti_aktivis

Originally posted by Nick_Perelman at 28-12-2006 11:50 AM
Again monkey sounds. :hmm:  The topic of this thread is Isaac and Ishmael, not contradictions. I asked you simple questions and you could not answer using the Islamic version. On the other hand Bib ...

Errrr I am the one who offtopic?

Ki ki , I am not the one who talk about monkey?

BTW , as far as I know , if we really study this thread , question already anwsered by Karengkang (good job). Question also try to be anwsered by you . And as far as I know , I am questioning the reliability of your source when u try to anwser. The reason is everyone know , hebrew bible content problem. Now the question is , u want me to proof my point?

karengkang

Originally posted by Nick_Perelman at 27-12-2006 07:52 PM

Your example is stupid. I will give another example. Image you have two cars and one of it u was told to send FOREVER  to some desert and you will never see it again. Now you remained with only one car.

heh...
okay, lets take YOUR EXAMPLE here :nerd:

and guess what..
years later God said "Take your son, your only son, Isaac...."

if this is really the word of God..
i would say that GOD IS STUPID..

when there is only one son remained God doesn't need to :
1- said "your son" twice  (first "your son"..then "your only son")
2- God doesn't even need to mentioned the name...

dUhhh ..because, at that moment Abraham only remained ONE son !

question: are u stupid or what ??


look back at post #8..
then post #22..
u can see that u are the one who try to run from the subject...
heh

Truth.8

Originally posted by anti_aktivis at 28-12-2006 01:16 PM


Errrr I am the one who offtopic?

Ki ki , I am not the one who talk about monkey?

BTW , as far as I know , if we really study this thread , question already anwsered by Karengkang (good jo ...

yup, we caught most of muslims here out topic. yup, u sound like monkey like ki ki and duh2

karengkang

Originally posted by Nick_Perelman at 27-12-2006 07:56 PM

Water was put on shoulder, not child. Just read carefuly, dear girl.

oh really ?

let me refresh u back :nerd:

Gen 21:14-15
14And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread, and a bottle of water, and gave it unto Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, and the child, and sent her away: and she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba.

15And the water was spent in the bottle, and she cast the child under one of the shrubs.


cast ??
some version says "cast"...some version says "put"
can u tell me what is that means ?? :nerd:

rurouni_khairul

Originally posted by karengkang at 28-12-2006 04:06 PM


heh...
okay, lets take YOUR EXAMPLE here :nerd:

and guess what..
years later God said "Take your son, your only son, Isaac...."

Good example karengkang...it is well known that Isaac born years after Ishmael and how could God told Abraham PBUH that Isaac is his only son while he also has an older son?

anti_aktivis

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 28-12-2006 04:20 PM


yup, we caught most of muslims here out topic. yup, u sound like monkey like ki ki and duh2

ki the best u can do? ki ki

Which son was to be sacrificed?
By Fi Sabiilllah

A very detailed explanation here.

http://www.islamicboard.com/comp ... son-sacrificed.html

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