What Soora 2:23 really says to SFE Talk?

http://www.themodernreligion.com ... racle_challenge.htm

Debmey

Who is this Alfred fella? I doubt he's a Christian at all.

So where? Where are the objective criteria for the challenge?

http://www.iberr.co.za/sciences.htm

Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-8-24 23:26:
Who is this Alfred fella? I doubt he's a Christian at all.

So where? Where are the objective criteria for the challenge?

You are losing it.  Now that I give you a SELF ACKNOWLEDGED christian scholar, the name of his book, the year it was printed, the publisher, AND the pages to find it, YOU TELL ME that you doubt he is really christian.  HOW LAME.

Alfred Guillaume, Islam, 1990 (Reprinted), Penguin Books, pp. 73-74.:stp:

[ Last edited by The_Criteria on 24-8-2004 at 11:37 PM ]

Soora 2:23 : And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, if your (doubts) are true.

Jawab....

Debmey must be on the Jakim Black List right now...:bgrin:

sonny~~

one more time.  top  :kant:

Fuzzman

..and the legacy of the 2:23 still stares Debmey right in the face with Debmey unable to square off the plain simple truth that lies within its content.

ARI FUZZMAN

Fuzzman

Soora 2:23 : And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, if your (doubts) are true.
The above soora has just got to be one of the most precised, concised, simplistic and most meaningful characterization of the choices made available to a non-Moslem doubtor to come clean with a alternative choice to prove that Quran is not from Allah through the revelations of the chosen final Prophet.

There has been no attempt[whatsoever], let alone the surfacing of a clear and presentable rebuttal from opponents of Soora 2:23 and this muffled waffled silence bears down really hard on those who's rather just choose wagging the tongue indiscriminatedly and in self-contempt, than otherwise  put critical thoughts to pen here to make common their stance on the strength of the 2:23. Now why is that so?

ARI FUZZMAN

Fuzzman

So where are you dear Debmey aka SFE Talk? Do you have the golden answer that would defy the greatness, truth, reality, purity and strength of soora 2:23? After all these pages we aren't yet weary nor weaken by ignorance in continuity brought to play in this thread. We remain in endearment to a possible fruitful rebuttal from your goodself when you are able..of course for a response that would warrant our thinking caps. Hope to hear from you soonest.

ARI FUZZMAN

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Fuzzman

Now don't tell me that this thread is categorized in the realm of the "UNTOUCHABLES" already? Such a simplistic soora and yet noone dare "embrace its purity" and fathom it otherwise! Can it be that soora 2:23 spells weakness for the doubtors? Well I sure do think so!

ARI FUZZMAN

Fuzzman

Even Answering Islam website has a very very lame  rebuttal over the greatness of the 2:23. They forgot that the 2:23 isn't just about eloquence. It's the task of proving the 2:23 IRRELEVANT for all times is the MAIN CRITERIA. The 2:23 is not the mainstay but the "gist" for the truth that lies wthin the confines of the Quran.

Read this link to see how they've "gone way off course" with their assertions on the 2:23 :-
http://answering-islam.org.uk/Quran/Miracle/baretruth.html

ARI FUZZMAN

Fuzzman

Something for Debmey to ponder upon.

Soora 17:88 - "If all the humans and all the jinns banded together in order to produce a Quran like this, they could never produce anything like it, no matter how much assistance they lent one another."

This Quran could not possibly be authored by other than ALLAH. It confirms all previous messages, and provides a fully detailed scripture. It is infallible, for it comes from the Lord of the universe. If they say, "He fabricated it," say, "Then produce one sura like these, and invite whomever you wish, other than ALLAH, if you are truthful." -  soora 10:37-38

Soora 11:13 - "If they say, "He fabricated (the Quran)," tell them, "Then produce ten suras like these, fabricated, and invite whomever you can, other than ALLAH, if you are truthful."

Soora 52:33-34 - "Do they say, "He made it all up?" Instead, they are simply disbelievers. Let them produce a Hadith like this, if they are truthful. "

SO WHAT IS THE CONNECTION BETWEEN ALL THESE AND SOORA 2:23?

ARI FUZZMAN

Debmey

Up till today, Fuzzman still could not make sura 2:23 intelligible.

Where are the objective criteria for the challenge for a sura like it?
Who are the judges?

Something for Fuzzman to ponder upon.

aenemy7

why don't u try Debmey....:lol

Allah knows best...
Peace Yall...

Debmey

Where are the objective criteria and who gets to be judge of this competition? Show us good ones and I will beat the Quran on the spot.
So what are you fellas waiting for?

Fuzzman

Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-12-1 12:52 AM:
Where are the objective criteria and who gets to be judge of this competition? Show us good ones and I will beat the Quran on the spot.
So what are you fellas waiting for?

First of all can you prove that Soora 2:23 had spoke of a competition that needed to be judged? After nineteen pages, I seriously doubt at all that you can "beat the Quran on the spot"! The only thing however that I feel you can beat on the spot is your forehead with both your palms after the nineteen page inability reality from you.

SO PROVE TO US ALL THAT SOORA 2:23 SPEAKS OF A COMPETITION THAT NEEDS A JUDGE.

ARI FUZZMAN

Debmey

The Quran speaks for itself. It claims that man and jinn can't write the quarn and challenges readers to produce a sura like it.

You mean the quran is afraid of SFE?

At one end aenemy7 challenes me to produce a sura while Fuzzman says that 2:23 is not a challenge. Even two muslims cannot agree on something so basic abt the verses. Yopu muslim boys are pathetic. You allowed me to hammer your quran so easily w/o even a fight.
Ahahahahahahahaha............

cheers

Fuzzman

Debmey wrote:The Quran speaks for itself. It claims that man and jinn can't write the quarn and challenges readers to produce a sura like it.

You mean the quran is afraid of SFE?

You're right. The Quran and those who believe in her are outright outrageously direct and they speak up what's needed to be said.  As a matter of factly, Soora 17:88 is "outrageously correct" to say that even when humans bond with Jinns in unison would fail to produce any likeness or similiarity to Quran. Well look around you? Have you crossed paths with such a bonded union that were able in producing such a soora? Sure you'd say a very big - NO - right?

Waddaya mean the "Quran is afraid of SFE"?  The Quran puts to the test even the union of Jinns and humans and yet you think this causes sway for SFE?

Debmey wrote: At one end aenemy7 challenes me to produce a sura while Fuzzman says that 2:23 is not a challenge. Even two muslims cannot agree on something so basic abt the verses.

So how bad can your English get?  Aenemy's "challenge" to you is purely on a personal conviction where what Aenemy did was to just merely "invite" you to try the soora 2:23 ; nothing else. As for me this works in the same area of Aenemy's route with the only concession that I make the "invitation" suggestion much louder than the so-called "challenge". However we both agree overwhelmingly that you should - TRY IT - with regards to the calling of the 2:23.

Debmey wrote:Yopu muslim boys are pathetic. You allowed me to hammer your quran so easily w/o even a fight.

Now this is a joke! If you truly had been allowed to "hammer the Quran so easily" by us, then what in the name of Sweet Mother Mary are we doing here on page nineteen?
Theonly hammering that'll get you as close as possible to the reality of your inability is just this brand of hammering

Hope you'll see the resemblance in attitudes!

ARI FUZZMAN

sonny~~

as expected bro deb***sfe is reduced to repetitious hecklin like broken record.  the lesson u gotta learn never challenge unless u know ur subject well  

peace