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Batu 'suci' pengikut Syiah dirampas
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Bedah.Cun posted on 30-10-2013 08:08 AM 
Ni ha tempat die, kau pegi register la tanye pasal batu hempuk paler ke thaipusham tu kat diorang... ...
So tujuan batu utk menghitamkan dahi kononnya byk melakukan sembahyang iaitu byk bersujud? I say man. Allah dah bagi jaminan bhw semulia2 manusia di sisiNya adalah yg lebih taqwanya (Surah 49:13). Ada ke Allah mention dahi kena jadi hitam?
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Alah, kau korek2 balik pun, jenis2 Syiah tu sume jenis2 macam ar-Arkam tu jugak jenis2 sufi tarekat konon nye. Dah lame2 die jadi mazhab pulak macam Syiah tu  |
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Ni ha, asal origin Safavid dynasty from Iran yang Syiah Twelver tu. Asal2 diorang tu jenis2 tarekat tu la kononnye nak tarekat sangat. Yang rukun Islam rukun Iman basic pun tak terbuat lagi. Mazhab Syafie nenek moyang jugak, kan ke Kurdish2 tu sume same mazhab dengan Salahuddin al-Ayubi Sunni tu
The Sāfav’īyyah (Persian: صفویه) was a Sufi order founded by the Kurdish[1][2][3] mystic Shāikh Safi-ad-din Ardabili (1252–1334). It held a prominent place in the society and politics of northwestern Iran in the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries, but today it is best known for having given rise to the Safavid dynasty.
Safī al-Din grew up in Ardabil but left it, for lack of adequate teachers, and travelled to Shiraz and then Gilan. In Gilan, he became the disciple of Shāikh Zāheed, leader of the Zāheedī Sufi order. He eventually became Shāikh Zāheed's chief disciple and married his daughter. Upon Shāikh Zāheed's death, the Zāheed’īyyah came under Safī al-Din's leadership and was renamed the Sāfav’īyyah.
Safī al-Din's importance is attested in two letters by Rashid al-Din. In one, Rashid al-Din pledges an annual offering of foodstuffs. In the other, Rashid al-Din writes to his son, the governor of Ardabil, advising him to show proper consideration to the Shāikh.[4]
After Safī al-Din's death, leadership of the order passed to his son Sadr al-Dīn Mūsā, and subsequently passed down from Sadr al-Dīn Mūsā to his son Sheikh Khoja Alā ad-Dīn Alī (1392 - 1429), and later to Sheikh Ebrāheem (1429 - 1447), the son of Alā ad-Dīn Alī. In the mid-fifteenth century, the Sāfav’īyyah changed in character and became militant under Shaykh Junayd and Shaykh Haydar, launching jihads against the Christians of Georgia. Haydar's grandson, Ismail, further altered the nature of the order when he founded the Safavid Empire in 1501 and proclaimed Twelver Shi'ism the state religion.
Tarekat Safawiyah
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Bedah.Cun posted on 30-10-2013 08:24 AM
Ntah ler nampak macam diukur dengan titik dua bijik kat dahi jer. Yang Bedah tau, pertama2 sekali ...
Tepat sekali. Niat/nawaitu sgt penting. Hanya kita & Allah shj yg tahu. Sebab itulah Allah kata semulia2 manusia di sisiNya adalah org2 yg paling bertaqwa. Kan senang berpandukan Al Quran. Semuanya dah diperjelaskan.
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am. posted on 30-10-2013 08:52 AM
Wahabi, Sufi, Syiah, Sunni etc semuanya berpandukan kepada Al Quran dan Rasulullah. Ia hanya per ...
Cukuplah mazhab Sunni yg 4 tu. Kenapa nak berpecah2 jadi mcm2 & terkeluar dari ajaran Islam sebenarnya? Allah tak suka. Allah dah cakap terang2 di dlm Al Quran. Letih saya nak google ayat2 Al Quran. Korang tak baca Al Quran ke? Bukan main bising dgn penggunaan kalimah Allah dlm Bible tapi Al Qruran tak mampu baca sehingga khatam. Macamana pulak nak baca Bible yg panjang berjela2? Pandai pulak kata takut confuse, tersesat dsbnya. Itupun dikategorikan fitnah tau!
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ndak tanya awat syiah makan taik imam? |
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am. posted on 30-10-2013 04:00 PM
Sapa kata cukup? hang Tuhan ka? confident ahli syurga?
Ni kisah pasal syiah takda kaitan pun ...
Yg ni saya setuju sgt2. Kita mesti kembali kpd ajaran Tauhid. Jgn memandai2 menokok-nambahkan ayat2 dlm Al Quran, buat benda2 yg rosakkan aqidah. Tak ada salah pun baca Bible. Saya tak cakap pun salah.
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Bedah.Cun posted on 30-10-2013 06:18 PM
Pendek kata puak Syiah tu sebenarnye asal dari puak2 jenis sufi tu lar... Diorang pun asal Sunnah ju ...
Jadi bertambah complicated. Kan senang kita berpandukan Al Quran & Sunnah Rasulullah. Allah reminds dlm 2-3 ayat dlm Al Quran. Imam manusia biasa mcm kita. Bagaimana boleh jadi maksum? Sedangkan kita tak sembah pun Rasulullah yg terkenal dgn akhlak mulia & sifat terpujinya.
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Baiduri Othman posted on 29-10-2013 10:22 PM
Jadi bertambah complicated. Kan senang kita berpandukan Al Quran & Sunnah Rasulullah. Allah remind ...
Memang lar ikut sunnah kak. Masalahnye diorang ikut sunnah jugak cuma diorang tak nak pakai sunnah yang bukan dari imam2 12 diorang yang keturunan nabi Muhammad atau dari Ibnu Abbas atau sahabat2 nabi yang sebelah ke Ali. Sahabat nabi Muhammad (s) pun ade yang Syiah macam Hujr bin Adi. Diorang pun ade pengajian hadis. Aliran diorang yang Bedah cek ade pengajian hadis tu pengajian Usuli Twelver. Itu baru yang dilabel "Syiah" tapi yang imam diorang keturunan Twelver. Bukannye jenis Syiah lain lagi yang beratus2 termasuk yang dah pupus menyerap masuk dalam label "Sunni" yang jenis2 sufi tu. Bedah tengok balik bukan "Sunnah wal Jamaah" je ade pengajian standard hadis, kak. Macam batu sujud diorang tu, diorang cakap itu bukannye batu suci. Tanah tu boleh amik kat mane2 je macam kat Mekah, Madinah, kat Karbalah tempat perang diorang atau kat Mashhad kat tempat orang2 alim diorang belajar cuma diorang amik benda yang ade sentimen kat diorang buat tapak sujud. Diorang cakap benda tu sunnah. Yang label diri die "sunnah" pulak cakap semayang pakai kasut sebab ade tanah kat kasut sebab sunnah. Tu sume pendapat orang2 yang belajar bidang yang dilabelkan sebagai "usul fekah" pulak.
Ni ha info pasal sahabat nabi yang Syiah....
Hujr bin Adi - Sahabat Nabi
Yang lain2 generasi Tabi'in pun ade yang Syiah macam Aban bin Taghalib... Diorang Syiah tu memang ade, tapi nape yang ade orang duk menafikan kewujudan orang2 ni sebelum perang2 saudara tu? Termasuk maklumat pasal perang saudara atau perbincangan pasal perang saudara tu takde dalam bahagian yang duk label diri sebagai "Sunnah"? Bedah cek dalam source2 history pun mase pemberontakan Umayyad caliphate, mula2 terjadi yang keturunan nabi name Zaid bin Ali Zainal Abiddin tu kena hina dengan orang kerajaan. Die balik gi Iraq bawak geng pastu imam Hanafi pun support die dengan kewangan gak. Yang Syiah yang support die ni jadi Syiah Fiver, skang ni ade lagi sikit2.
Abu Sa'id Aban ibn Taghlib ibn Rubah al-Kindi (died 758 AD/141 AH) was a famous Shia Muslim scholar, Quranic reciter, jurisprudence, exegetist and traditionalist.[1]
There is no information about his birthplace but he is to be said from Kufa.[2] Aban spent most of his life in the company of Ahl al-Bayt and studied under them.
He was also a close companion of Imam Ali Zayn al-Abidin ibn Husayn, Imam Muhammad al-Baqir and Imam Ja'far al-Sadiq and studied various branches of science particularly hadith from them and attained a prominent position in the school of Imam al-Sadiq. Aban is famous to have quoted extensively from Imam Sadiq and it is reported that he narrated thirty thousand hadiths from him. He is also considered the most outstanding Quranic reciter and his style of Quranic recitation is very famous among the reciters.[2] He was the first person to publish a book with the meaning of the Holy Quraan and was renewed with meanings every year and still used by many scholars and students even today.
He was considered master in the Quran, traditions, jurisprudence, literature, syntax and philology. He was Appointed by Imam Mohammad al-Baqir for Medina.[3] Shaykh Tusi has reported that once Imam al-Sadiq appointed him to conduct scholarly discourse against one of the pretenders. Imam Sadiq said to him "Sit in the Masjid of the Prophet and in the religious issues give verdict to the people. I love to have my Shia like Aban ibn Taghlib."
Shi'ite scholars consider him reliable and the Sunni scholars such as Ahmad ibn Hanbal, Yahya ibn Mu'in, Abu Hatam and Al-Nasa'i also have confirmed him. The books compiled by Aban are now missing but the books ascribed to him in the catalogues are as follows:
- Ma'ani al-Quran
- Kitab al-Qira'at
- Al-Garib fil-Quran
- Al-Fadail
- Kitab Siffin
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Ni ha kak Baiduri, info sejarah uprising Zaidi bin Ali Zainalabiddin dalam empire Umayyad caliphate. Diorang ni cicit2 nabi (s). Nak bagi judgement pun, kita nak kena tengok semula ke perjalanan sejarah jugak. Bukan sume orang same macam kita 
With the death of Umar Ibn Adbul Aziz the scholars in Madina got very upset. But in the short time Umar Ibn Adbul Aziz was in power the changes he made, had a long lasting effect in the minds of the people. An associate of Umar Ibn Adbul Aziz, Zayd ibn Ali the grandson of Husayns was also very upset. Zayd ibn Ali then started receiving letters from Kufa asking him to come to Kufa.
In 740, Abu Hanifah supported his friend Zayd ibn Ali against an Umayyad ruler but asked his friend not to go to Kufa. Abu Hanifah, Malik ibn Anas and Zayd ibn Ali's family advised Zayd ibn Ali not to go to Kufa feared that Zayd ibn Ali would get betrayed in Kufa.[31][32][33][34] But Zayd ibn Ali felt that he needed to oppose the Umayyads by force. Zaydis believe that on his arrival in Kufa, on the last hour of Zayd ibn Ali, the people in Kufa asked him: "May God have mercy on you! What do you have to say on the matter of Abu Bakr and Umar ibn al-Khattab?" Zayd ibn Ali said, "I have not heard anyone in my family renouncing them both nor saying anything but good about them...when they were entrusted with government they behaved justly with the people and acted according to the Qur'an and the Sunnah.".[35][36]
After which they withdrew their support [31][31][32][33][34] and Zayd ibn Ali fought bravely against the Umayyad army but was killed. The Scholars kept up the pressure on the Umayyads and as the Umayyads tried to re-impose the taxes abolished by Umar Ibn Adbul Aziz, the population also got more rebellious.
Later the Abbasids came to power and they tried to change the laws so that they could be above the law, in 767 Abu Hanifah died in prison when he refused to support the Abbasid ruler Al-Mansur and Malik ibn Anas was flogged.[37][38] But then the Abbasids backed off and allowed the laws of Madina to be implemented again and the book Muwatta Imam Malik of Malik ibn Anas based on the laws based on the Quran and the example of Muhammad and based on the work of the committee of the main jurist in Madina headed by Qasim ibn Muhammad ibn Abu Bakr, who was jafar Sadiq's grandfather and Abu Bakr's grandson were again implemented.
Later the Abbasids tried to impose the mutazilite philosophy so that they could change the laws, so that they could present them selves as being above the law. Imam Ahmed Hanbal confronted a ruler and was tortured and sent to an unlit Baghdad prison cell for nearly thirty months.[39] In 767 Abu Hanifah had died in prison when he refused to support the Abbasid ruler Al-Mansur[38][40] but later the mutazilite philosophy failed and the Hanifi jurisprudence was implemented. Since Imam Zayd ibn Ali and Imam Jafar al-Sadiq worked with Imam Abu Hanifa and Imam Abu Hanifa wrote books at that time, the Zaidi's (Syiah) and originally the Fatimid's (Syiah) used the Hanifi jurisprudence. In terms of law, the modern Zaidi school is quite similar to the Hanafi school[41]
These scholars also laid the foundations of Science in the medieval Islamic world and some scientists and Mathematicians on the List of Muslim scientists were taught by these scholars, they then taught other scholars. Islam discourages the belief in superstition. Hence these scholars felt that humans could truly appreciate God magnificence, by studying Gods creation. Quran 45:3[42] "Indeed, within the heavens and earth are signs for the believers."
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KriZalid posted on 11-9-2013 04:23 AM
Tindakan dah mula diambil, kepada yang dok teriak, pekik sana sini perli sana sini, "cakap syiah ses ...
percayalah...US takkan serang syria..sepertimana US bermain wayang sama sendiri dengan Iran dan Israel. |
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Bedah.Cun posted on 30-10-2013 01:18 PM
Pendek kata puak Syiah tu sebenarnye asal dari puak2 jenis sufi tu lar... Diorang pun asal Sunnah ju ...
Mereka pircaya JIbril a.s tersilap pi jumpa Muhammad SAW dan guide baginda menjadi nabi dan Rasul....sepatutnya Ali a.s itu yang sepatutnya diangkat menjadi Rasul. 
Tapi punca pengikut2 Ali ni jadi ekstreme ialah cucukan dari Abdullah Bin Saba'....seorang yahudi.
wallahua'lam. |
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Baiduri Othman posted on 30-10-2013 05:27 PM
Yg ni saya setuju sgt2. Kita mesti kembali kpd ajaran Tauhid. Jgn memandai2 menokok-nambahkan ayat ...
oleh itu, kalu kita nak tahu kristian kena baca bible, nak tahu pasal judaism kena baca OT / Torah. Nak tau pasal syiah kena rujuk Al Quran, kitab depa dan imam depa and so forth..
adalah tidak adil untuk menghakimi sesuatu yang kita hanya dengar/baca dari rujukan yang berat sebelah. 
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Post time 30-10-2013 08:08 AM
