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Originally posted by Debmey at 4-4-2004 07:54 AM:
it doesn't say yu can have unlimited sex with slaves does it? unlike the quran.
No? So you never come to the below passage didn't you?
The following passage describes the sickening practice of sex slavery. How can anyone think it is moral to sell your own daughter as a sex slave?
"When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment." (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT) |
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Isnt the above Q4:24,Q4:25,Q33:50 verses show that "the right hand posses" is actually referring to any woman that you can legally marry and that is allow in Islam? It is not exactly pointing to the slave! eventhough in one verse islam allows you to marry your slave in order to get her freedom.
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The Women and Men in your care,
"Ma Malakat Aymanukum" - (Right Hand Posses)
One of the most abused expression in the Quran is the statement about "Ma Malakat Aymanukum", which translates word for word as "What your right hand possess". Many traditional Muslims have abused this statement. They have followed corrupted scholars who have innovated and fabricated laws that have no basis in the true Islam (Submission) and contradict the laws of God in the Quran.
When we study the verses that talk about "Ma Malakat Aymanukum", or (MMA) for short, in the Quran, we will understand this sensitive issue.
Frequently, we get questions from the visitors of our web site at about MMA and whether it is allowed to have sexual relationship with them or not. Other visitors talk about sexual relationship with MMA as a matter of their right. This article will address this question from the Quran and define what is meant by MMA and the nature of relationship between these MMA and those who are responsible for them.
MMA covers five categories of people. They can be men, women, boys or girls. The expression of MMA has different meaning in different verses although all of them fall under the same classification - a group of people who depend on you, almost totally, for their living requirements, security and well being.
Quran teaches beyond doubt that MMA are part of our families who should be treated with respect and given their rights as human beings. Only in two categories out of the five MMA, is sexual relationship allowed and only after these MMA are part of a marriage (as a spouse). Under no circumstances does God allow in the Quran any man (or a woman), to have sexual relationship with their MMA unless the man and the woman become a husband and wife. Even in case of war, all the captured women (and men), fall under the protected MMA and cannot be considered sex objects. They should be treated with respect and asked for marriage, and given their due dowries. Rape of women during wartime is a crime as it is during peacetime. Righteousness is defined by an established moral value, that is best judged by the words of God in the Quran, and not by war or peace.
The following is a description of these categories of MMA in the Quran, the verses that mention them and the expected relationship:
(1) Ma Malakat Aymanukum = what you already have. The first category of MMA is the category of women who were already married to their husbands even if their marriages do not follow the Quranic rules because their marriage occurred before the revelation of the Quran or before their conversion to Islam. This can be understood from the wording of 4:3.
In this case, if you already have a wife or wives, even from a category that became prohibited after the revelation of the Quran, you can keep them. You do not have to divorce them as God would not break an established marriage. This category of MMA is considered permitted for these particular people and falls under what you already have. Since they are actually a married couple a sexual relationship is permitted.
[4:3] If you deem it best for the orphans, you may marry their mothers - you may marry two, three, or four. If you fear lest you become unfair, then you shall be content with only one, or with what you already have (Ma Malakat Aymanukum). Additionally, you are thus more likely to avoid financial hardship.
[33:50] O prophet, we made lawful for you your wives to whom you have paid their due dowry, or what you already have (Ma Malakat Yameenek) , as granted to you by GOD. Also lawful for you in marriage are the daughters of your father's brothers, the daughters of your father's sisters, the daughters of your mother's brothers, the daughters of your mother's sisters, who have emigrated with you. Also, if a believing woman gave herself to the prophet - by forfeiting the dowry - the prophet may marry her without a dowry, if he so wishes. However, her forfeiting of the dowry applies only to the prophet, and not to the other believers. We have already decreed their rights in regard to their spouses or what they already have (Ma Malakat Aymanuhum). This is to spare you any embarrassment. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.
[33:52] Beyond the categories described to you, you are enjoined from marrying any other women, nor can you substitute a new wife (from the prohibited categories), no matter how much you admire their beauty. You must be content with those already made lawful to you (Ma Malakat Yameenek). GOD is watchful over all things.
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(2) Ma Malakat Aymanukum = What is rightfully yours.
This is the second category of the MMA, what is rightfully yours. In this category sexual relationship is allowed. We, however, have to be very careful in understanding God's law in the Quran. God deliberately used the word OR when permitting the sexual relationships between men and their MMA. It is EITHER their spouses OR MMA. God did not choose AND in these particular verses, (their spouses and MMA.) God's choice of His words is deliberate and He constructs His laws very clearly to leave NO doubt in the mind of His true worshippers. In this category of what is rightfully theirs, are situations where a man and a woman married each other without registering their marriage with the appropriate authorities. Common law marriage in USA is one of these cases where both the man and the woman agrees to live together as a husband and a wife in front of God but do not register their marriage. It can also include cases described in the first category where MMA becomes rightfully theirs by the permission given to them by God.
Short-term agreement between a man and a woman to have sex for any period of time is not included in this category. This short-term agreement is prostitution and is forbidden by God's law in the Quran. In this short term agreement the man deprive the woman from her legal rights that a wife has, and free himself from having any obligation of a husband towards his divorced wife. The example of this short-term agreement to have sex between a man and a woman is what many scholars call Muta marriage. They make it legal, when it is against all the laws of marriage and establishing a family in the Quran.
[70:30] (They have relations) only with their spouses, or what is legally theirs - (Ma Malakat Aymanuhum)
[23:6] Only with their spouses, or those who are rightfully theirs (Ma Malakat Aymanhum), do they have sexual relations; they are not to be blamed.
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(3) Ma Malakat Aymanukum = slaves, if any.
Since slaves are dependent totally on their owner, they are considered MMA. Although the Quran advocates the freeing of the slaves in every possible occasion, the law is placed in the Quran to protect those who were slaves at the time of the revelation of the Quran and for those who may become slaves in any future time. Some of the visitors to our web site talk about their servants as if they were their slaves since they totally dependent on them. Slaves and servants are protected and not considered as sexual partners under any circumstance outside a lawful marriage.
[4:25] Those among you who cannot afford to marry free believing women, may marry believing slave women (Ma Malakat Aymanukum). GOD knows best about your belief, and you are equal to one another, as far as belief is concerned. You shall obtain permission from their guardians before you marry them, and pay them their due dowry equitably. They shall maintain moral behavior, by not committing adultery, or having secret lovers. Once they are freed through marriage, if they commit adultery, their punishment shall be half of that for the free women. Marrying a slave shall be a last resort for those unable to wait. To be patient is better for you. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.
In this verse, God clarifies the status of MMA as being honorable women who may marry believing men after getting permission from their guardians. If these slave women are the sexual partners of their guardians, how can God offer them to the believing men? God asks them to MAINTAIN their moral behavior, by not committing adultery or having secret lovers. This verse clearly shows those slave women (MMA,) are not the sexual partners of their guardian.
[24:33] Those who cannot afford to get married shall maintain morality until GOD provides for them from His grace. Those among your servants (Ma Malakat Aymanukum) who wish to be freed in order to marry, you shall grant them their wish, once you realize that they are honest. And give them from GOD's money that He has bestowed upon you. You shall not force your girls to commit prostitution, seeking the materials of this world, if they wish to be chaste. If anyone forces them, then GOD, seeing that they are forced, is Forgiver, Merciful.
Two important teachings are found in this verse - to free the slaves (servants) to get married and not to force the girls to commit prostitution. In this verse MMA, servants (slaves), can be freed from their slavery to get married, and even helped with money to do so. Had they been legitimate sexual partners of the owner or the guardian, they would not be available for marriage whenever they want to, as this verse teaches. Forcing them to have sex will be prostitution or rape.
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Originally posted by kid at 2004-4-5 10:06 AM:
No? So you never come to the below passage didn't you?
The following passage describes the sickening practice of sex slavery. How can anyone think it is moral to sell your own daughter as a ...
There yu see, yu can't have sex with slaves in the Bible, yu gotta marry her.
Thanks for showing teh contrast from Islam.
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(4) Ma Malakat Aymanukum = servants. Since our servants are dependent on us in their living, we are responsible for their well being but they are not our sexual partners. See what the Quranic verses teach about this category.
[24:31] And tell the believing women to subdue their eyes, and maintain their chastity. They shall not reveal any parts of their bodies, except that which is necessary. They shall cover their chests, and shall not relax this code in the presence of other than their husbands, their fathers, the fathers of their husbands, their sons, the sons of their husbands, their brothers, the sons of their brothers, the sons of their sisters, other women, the male servants (Ma Malakat Aymanuhunna) or employees whose sexual drive has been nullified, or the children who have not reached puberty. They shall not strike their feet when they walk in order to shake and reveal certain details of their bodies. All of you shall repent to GOD, O you believers, that you may succeed.
There is a great lesson in this verse. God teaches us that the believing women may have the same category (MMA) like the men do. Notice that the verse starts by asking the believing women to maintain their chastity.
The male scholars who gave permission to any man to have sex with his (MMA), will not allow the same right for a woman who owns the same category (MMA). These scholars fabricated laws of their own that apply to the men but not to the women. Such fabricated laws have no basis in God's laws in the Quran. These laws of God apply to all genders without discrimination. God prohibited sexual relationship with MMA outside a marriage for both the men and the women alike.
[33:55] The women may relax (their dress code) around their fathers, their sons, their brothers, the sons of their brothers, the sons of their sisters, the other women, and their (female) servants (Ma Malakat Aymanuhunna). They shall reverence GOD. GOD witnesses all things.
[24:58] O you who believe, permission must be requested by your servants (Ma Malakat Aymanukum) and the children who have not attained puberty (before entering your rooms). This is to be done in three instances - before the Dawn Prayer, at noon when you change your clothes to rest, and after the Night Prayer. These are three private times for you. At other times, it is not wrong for you or them to mingle with one another. GOD thus clarifies the revelations for you. GOD is Omniscient, Most Wise.
It is clear from this verse that your MMA (servants), do not have the permission given to your spouse (sexual partner) of freely entering your sleeping quarters. Had these MMA, servants, been considered your sexual partners, such a permission would not be needed.
[4:36] You shall worship GOD alone - do not associate anything with Him. You shall regard the parents, the relatives, the orphans, the poor, the related neighbor, the unrelated neighbor, the close associate, the traveling alien, and your servants (Ma Malakat Aymanukum). GOD does not like the arrogant show-offs.
[16:71] GOD has provided for some of you more than others. Those who are given plenty would never give their properties to their subordinates (Ma Malakat Aymanukum) to the extent of making them partners. Would they give up GOD's blessings?
[30:28] He cites for you herein an example from among yourselves: Do you ever elevate your servants or subordinates (Ma Malakat Aymanukum) to the level where they rival you, and to the point that you pay them as much allegiance as is being paid to you? We thus explain the revelations for people who understand.
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(5) Ma Malakat Aymanukum = Special category of women who leave their disbelieving husbands during wartime and join the believers camp. This category is also protected in the Quran and not exempted as sex slaves. They must be treated like any free woman, asked for permission for marriage and given all the due respect and payments that apply to a legal marriage. This is clarified in 60:10.
[4:24] Also prohibited are the women who are already married, unless they flee their disbelieving husbands who are at war with you (Ma Malakat Aymanukum). These are GOD's commandments to you. All other categories are permitted for you in marriage, so long as you pay them their due dowries. You shall maintain your morality, by not committing adultery. Thus, whoever you like among them, you shall pay them the dowry decreed for them. You commit no error by mutually agreeing to any adjustments to the dowry. GOD is Omniscient, Most Wise.
[60:10] O you who believe, when believing women (abandon the enemy and) ask for asylum with you, you shall test them. GOD is fully aware of their belief. Once you establish that they are believers, you shall not return them to the disbelievers. They are not lawful to remain married to them, nor shall the disbelievers be allowed to marry them. Give back the dowries that the disbelievers have paid. You commit no error by marrying them, so long as you pay them their due dowries. Do not keep disbelieving wives (if they wish to join the enemy). You may ask them for the dowry you had paid, and they may ask for what they paid. This is GOD's rule; He rules among you. GOD is Omniscient, Most Wise.
God's law is clear in the Quran. We, as submitters to our Creator, have no choice but to submit to such law. Any person breaking this law is not practicing Islam (Submission) and cannot be considered to be a Muslim (Submitter). Indeed, such individuals who do not submit to God's laws are "Objectors" not "Submitters."
[24:51] The only utterance of the believers, whenever invited to GOD and His messenger to judge in their affairs, is to say, "We hear and we obey." These are the winners.
[5:7] Remember GOD's blessing upon you, and His covenant that He covenanted with you: you said, "We hear and we obey." You shall observe GOD; GOD is fully aware of the innermost thoughts.
[2:285] The messenger has believed in what was sent down to him from his Lord, and so did the believers. They believe in GOD, His angels, His scripture, and His messengers: "We make no distinction among any of His messengers." They say, "We hear, and we obey. Forgive us, our Lord. To You is the ultimate destiny." |
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Originally posted by Debmey at 5-4-2004 10:31 AM:
There yu see, yu can't have sex with slaves in the Bible, yu gotta marry her.
Thanks for showing teh contrast from Islam. ![](static/image/smiley/default/tembak.gif)
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Who said that in Islam we can have sex with the slave. Read carefully the meaning of "Ma Malakat Aymanukum" from my posting. In Islam we have to marry the slaves before we have sex with them! ![](static/image/smiley/default/tongue.gif) |
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Slaves and servants are protected and not considered as sexual partners under any circumstance outside a lawful marriage. |
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Mo himself raped Safiya before he married her. What doyou have to say about that? |
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you are telling BULLS#!T debmey ![](static/image/smiley/default/tongue.gif) |
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Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-4-5 11:06 AM:
Mo himself raped Safiya before he married her. What doyou have to say about that?
we'll say that it is not true :gantuk: |
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The Marriages of the Holy Prophet (pbuh):
by Arfaque Malik
[Note: Many anti-Islamic sites spread misconceptions relating to our Beloved Holy Prophet Muhammad's (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) marriages. We present here an article that will clear our Beloved Holy Prophet (pbuh) off these blasphemous charges. May Allah guide the opponents of Islam aright, Aameen!]
The several marriages that the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) contracted have been much misunderstood and subjected to derogatory remarks beyond all limits of justice and decency. Notwithstanding the fact, that the institution of polygamy existed before the advent of the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and a majority of Biblical prophets were polygamous, our critics single him out "heaping abuses, calumny and derogatory epithets, upon him." The Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) contracted a number of marriages after the age of fifty-three. The accusation of being licentious is nothing but a product of their own fertile imagination. Dr. Besant refutes this assertion: "But do you mean to tell me that the man who in the full flush of youthful vigour, a young man of four and twenty (24), married a woman much his senior, and remained faithful to her for six and twenty years (26), at fifty years of age when the passions are dying married for lust and sexual passion? Not thus are men's lives to be judged. And you look at the women whom he married, you will find that by every one of them an alliance was made for his people, or something was gained for his followers, or the woman was in sore need of protection."
The famous author of the book called "Mohammad and Mohammedanism", Bosworth Smith explains: "It should be remembered, however, that most of Mohammad's marriages may be explained at least, as much by his pity for the forlorn condition of the persons concerned as by other motives. They were almost all of them with widow who were not remarkable either for their beauty or their wealth, but quite the reverse." The Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) contracted marriages either for the protection of the females whose husbands had died for the cause of Islam or for cementing the bonds of love with those who could by their position and influence be of service to Islam or for the benefit of humanity at large. "In every single case it was a personal sacrifice on the part of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) to have contracted the marriage, or circumstances obliged him to do so whilst there was as yet no law limiting the number of wives." The ladies who married the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) did so of their own volition. None of them was forced into marriage. The youthful days of the Prophet prior to the beginning of revelation, "were free from every blemish; neither his worst enemies during his life nor the mud-slinging critics of the later times have ever been able to find the slightest fault with this critical period of his life. His veracity, chastity, innocence and pureness of heart were proverbial for he never indulged in anything unbecoming of a true should youth like him." From twenty-five years up to the age of fifty he remained with a wife older than him. During this period of his age he remained devoted to his wife and even after her death he remembered her with love and compassion."
It is narrated on the authority of Jabir ibn Abdullah that Abu Jahl and some of the chiefs of the Quraish approached the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and said: "If you are anxious for leadership, we are prepared to declare you our leader, if you need riches we would collect for you an enormous amount of wealth that will suffice not only for you but even for your descendants; if you are impelled by sexual urge, you may chose ten beautiful damsels out of the whole tribe of Quraish. The Holy Prophet kept silent and did not utter a word. When their talks concluded, the Holy Prophet recited the following verse of the Qur'an : "Beneficent God! A revelation from the Beneficent, the Merciful : A Book of which the verses are made plain, an Arabic Qur'an for a people who know |
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Too bad, all those cut and pastes did nothing to explain away the apparent rape of captive women under Islam. |
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REASONS FOR THE MARRIAGES:
The factors that prompted the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) to contract several marriages are being briefly discussed below:
1. An Ideal Model:
The Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) being the last and the Final Prophet and "Mercy for the nations" was required to present to humanity an ideal and perfect model for all stages of human experience and moral test and for that very reason the Holy Quran calls him an "excellent exemplar." Mankind learnt from him the best ways. As a husband he was kind, "He lived with one wife and with more than one, with the old and the young, with the widow and the divorcee, with the pleasant and the temperamental, with the renowned and the humble; but in all cases he was the pattern of kindness and consolation." To be an ideal model he had to undergo the trials and complexities of human behaviour, which were hard and by no means pleasurable. He gave to the world an ideal example of (i) a celibate life up to the age of twenty-five, (ii) a monogamous life with an old widow and (iii) finally a polygamous life after the age of fifty. In each and every aspect, his life was perfect. He indeed is a model for humanity - an excellent exemplar. Such an example could not have been possible without contracting all these marriages.
2. Education of the Ummah:
With the migration of the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) and the Muslims to Medina, the Islamic society was established. The Muslims were required to conform their social and personal behaviour to the teachings of Islam. The Holy Prophet himself meticulously observed the Quranic commands and regulations and solved difficult problems concerning Muslims' social and political life. The Holy Prophet encouraged Muslims to convey the knowledge they had gained to other Muslims. He paid special attention towards female education. For this purpose the Holy Prophet required fully trained ladies. The ideal way to solve this problem was to personally train some ladies. Who could be more trained and witness to the private life of the Holy Prophet than his wives. "It was not an ordinary work but an important task of vast magnitude which was admirably accomplished by these pious ladies."
3. Preservation of the Holy Prophet's Private Life:
The Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) was undoubtedly, the greatest teacher of mankind. He lived an exemplary life, which was a living commentary on the Holy Quran. "Nor does he speak out of desire. It is naught but revelation that is revealed." By marrying with women of varied temperaments he was able to get his private life and actions preserved in a better way in order to set a complete and perfect example to the mankind. It was possible for men to forget many things of his personal life on account of their constant conflict with the outside world but women (house-wives) cannot forget them. It was necessary, therefore, to marry with a number of women of different places and clans having varied tastes, habits and temperaments. Besides, a number of laws and rules of the Shariah concerning women could be promulgated only through wives." This, perhaps, is one of the most important reasons for the Holy Prophet's marriages. The wives of the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) were required to serve as models of virtue to the Muslims and to teach them all that was "recited in the house, of the messages of Allah and the wisdom." Thus they were required to remember and convey to the Muslims whatever the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) taught them at home.
4. Elimination of Racial and Tribal Distinctions:
By contracting some of the marriages the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) removed the distinctions between different clans and tribes. He eliminated racial and national distinctions and prejudices and upheld piety as criterion of integrity and superiority. He married some of the humblest and poorest women, a coptic girl from Egypt and a Jewess. Thus he removed the distinction of race and creed and gave a practical demonstration of the fact that after accepting Islam all are equal in the sight of Allah and the Shariah revealed by Him.
5. Status of a Divorced Woman:
Divorced women were looked upon as inferior in status and were not allowed to remarry in pre-Islamic era. By marrying a divorced lady the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) taught that such a marriage is not only lawful but desirable to grant a divorced woman an honourable status in the society.
6. Marriage with the Divorced Wife of an Adopted Son:
Some of the Prophet's marriages were for legislative reasons, in order to abolish certain prevailing evil customs and practices. Before Islam an adopted son was considered as a real son and was entitled to all rights and privileges similar to a real son. Islam abrogated this practice. The Holy Prophet demonstrated his disapproval by marrying Hazrat Zainab, who was previously married to Hazrat Zaid, a freed slave, and who was considered his adopted son. Thus he established correct status of an adopted child.
7. Protection of Widows and their Children:
The Holy Prophet also married widowed women. This helped in solving the problem of providing care and protection to widows and their children in peace as well as in war when due to death of large number of male members, women were left with no one to support them.
8. Status of Freed Prisoners of War:
Before the advent of our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) the prisoners of war were taken as slaves. The Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) set an example by freeing them on ransom and on several occasions without charging any thing. They were encouraged and assisted to settle down through legal marriages, or earning money by working or even educating people. The Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) not only paid ransom for some and freed them but also married two of the captive women.
9. Political Reasons:
Some of the marriages were political in character. He was concerned for the future of Islam. The Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) was ever anxious to bind his followers belonging to different clans and tribes in mutual love and affection. That was, doubtlessly, the object in marrying Juwairiyah (may Allah be pleased with her), daughter of Haris, the Chief of Bani al-Mustaliq. The whole clan of that tribe and their allies were thus won over to Islam. It was through marriage with Safiyah (may Allah be pleased with her) that the enmity of a section of Jewish Community was neutralised. Similarly by marrying Mariya the Copt, (may Allah be pleased with her) the Holy Prophet developed blood relations with a ruler of great magnitude.
An Ideal Husband:
The Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, treated his wives with even kindness and affection. He gave to the mankind best possible example in respect of dealing with wives of different age groups having different temperaments and social status. It is reported from Hazrat Aishah (may Allah be pleased with her) the wife of the Holy Prophet that her husband had remarked many a time that "the best of you is he who is good to his wife". And according to a report from Abdullah ibn Umar, the Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, declared : "The whole world is a thing to be made use of and the best thing in the world is a virtuous wife." |
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Hey debmey, even when saffiya has already became Muhammad legal wife, on their first night Muhammad didnt do anything to her except that kept on talking to her. So where your proof that she was raped before they got married?
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Didn't you read the hadiths?
Mo did have sex with her.
How odd, murdered her family today, spend the night talking with her alone that very day and married her the next day. How ridiculous.
Even if Mo just talked to her that night although its a clear lie, Mo would still have committed khalwat which is just as bad. |
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