Batu 'suci' pengikut Syiah dirampas

pasuoren

ada tertengok satu slot stengah jam kat tv1 pasal Syiah ni...
ada part temuramah dengan antara pemimpin tertinggi Syiah di Kedah..

ok..
bab kalau taksub atau percaya berkaitan asal-usul fahaman Syiah ni..
mungkin la kita boleh kata yang diorang mungkin terpengaruh atau keliru
sebab syiah ni ada kitab2 dia sendiri..
ada susur galur keturunan Imam 12...yakni dari keturunan Nabi Muhammad
mengapa saidina Ali dan keturunannya termasuk Hasan dan Husin dipilih untuk dicintai..
mengapa saidina Abu Bakar dan Umar tidak mereka iktiraf..

seeemuaaa tu kekonon ada dalil dan sebab musabab yang diorang pegang untuk percayai..

tapi...
kalau bab-bab yang tak masuk akal pun diorang still nak ikut jugak..
sampai nak menyiksa diri semasa 10 muharram..
mandi najis Imam..

takkan tergamak nak ikut...
takkan tak boleh pikiaq...?

cecari

KriZalid posted on 11-9-2013 09:59 AM
sebenarnya mutaah syiah ni adalah kesinambungan kepada amalan seks
bebas golongan Majusi, depa ni ...

si syiah caprut @namirulmukminin tak mai lagi ka hari ni ? keh keh keh

am.

sebenarnya syiah ada reasoning depa sendiri kenapa depa letakkan batu / mud.. itu bukan menunjukkan depa sembah batu, itu menunjukkan depa sujud di atas bumi (batu/mud).

sebagai contoh, kita ambil contoh hadith ni.

Abu Said Al Khudri narrates:

The Messenger of Allah used to practice Itikaf (in the mosque), in the middle third of Ramadan. After the twentieth night, he used to return home on the twenty-first, and those who were in Itikaf with him would return to their homes as well. In Ramadan, in which he practiced Itikaf, he would pray the night prayers on the night in which he returned home, and then address the people, instructing them as Allah commanded him. He said, "I used to practice Itikaf for these ten days (i.e. the middle third of Ramadan), but I now intend to stay in Itikaf for the last ten days. Whoever was in Itikaf with me should stay at his place of seclusion. I have certainly been shown (the date of) this Night (of Qadr), but I have forgotten it. Search for it in the odd nights of the last ten days (of Ramadan). I also saw myself (in a dream) prostrating in mud and water." On the twenty-first night, the sky was covered with clouds and it rained, and the rainwater started leaking through the roof of the mosque onto the praying place of the Prophet. With my own eyes, I saw the Prophet, upon completion of the morning prayer, leaving (the mosque) with his face covered with mud and water.

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 3.235

Abu Hazim narrates:

Sahl bin Sa'd was asked about the (Prophet's) pulpit, as to what was it made of. Sahl replied: No one is still alive among the people who knows about it better than I. It was made of tamarisk forest wood. So and so, the slave of so and so, prepared it for the Messenger of Allah. When it was constructed and placed (in the mosque), the Messenger of Allah stood on it, facing the Qibla, and said, "Allahu Akbar", and the people stood behind him (in prayer). He recited and bowed, and the people behind him bowed. Then he raised his head, stepped back, descended and prostrated on the ground. He then again ascended the pulpit, recited, bowed, raised his head, stepped back, descended and prostrated on the ground. This is what I know about the pulpit.

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 1.374

Hazrat Maimuna said:

The Messenger of Allah used to pray on a Khumra (a palm leaf mat large enough to place one's face, while in prostration).

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 1.378

jadi secara ringkasnya, syiah percaya bila sujud kena atas sesuatu yang natural seperti kayu/batu/mud/clay di mana mereka merasakan jika sujud di atas sesuatu yang fabricated (sejadah etc), solat menjadi tidak sah dan tidak ikut sunnah nabi.

sk77

Nti dahi hitam mcm alim2 gitu..

AmMiNafeesa

kalau gitu solat ajer atas tanah lapang..

biosfree

DAP x hal dgn semua ni.......kalau nak tau kenapa ramai PAS masih sokong DAP...sbb org2 PAS dah dianuti oleh SYIAH.........sbb tu diorg sokong DAP, ..... hal2 yg melibatkn agama, diorg x kisah, x kirala..org tu x percaya TUHAN.....janji...boleh buat kerja.....

KriZalid

am. posted on 11-9-2013 10:38 AM
sebenarnya syiah ada reasoning depa sendiri kenapa depa letakkan batu / mud.. itu bukan menunjukkan  ...

hang silap, depa hanya percaya pada tanah atau batu dari karbala saja,
yang dah di canai, dibuat dgn handmade atau mesin,
natural kejadah pa tu. dlm hadis tu ada mention ka
nabi semayang ataih tanah karbala.

mjla

Rampas brg jerrr...

Camne plak dgn akidah dia org....

am.

Pasal Imam 12 pulak yang ni hujah syiah.

Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 9.422

Narrated Abu Sa'id al-Khudri:

The Prophet said, "You will follow the ways of those nations who were before you, span by span and cubit by cubit (i.e., inch by inch) so much so that even if they entered a hole of a mastigure (lizard), you would follow them." We said, "O Allah's Apostle! (Do you mean) the Jews and the Christians?" He said, "Whom else?"

Hadith ini menerangkan bahawa ummat Islam akan ikut Yahudi dan Nasrani.

And Allah had already taken a covenant from the Children of Israel, and We delegated from among them twelve leaders. And Allah said, "I am with you. If you establish prayer and give zakah and believe in My messengers and support them and loan Allah a goodly loan, I will surely remove from you your misdeeds and admit you to gardens beneath which rivers flow. But whoever of you disbelieves after that has certainly strayed from the soundness of the way." Quran 5:12

Jadi berdasarkan ayat ini dan hadith nabi, syiah percaya bahawa dalam Islam juga akan ada 12 imam/ketua pasal children of israel dulu pun ada 12 ketua jugak.

And [recall] when Moses prayed for water for his people, so We said, "Strike with your staff the stone." And there gushed forth from it twelve springs, and every people knew its watering place. "Eat and drink from the provision of Allah , and do not commit abuse on the earth, spreading corruption." - Quran 2:60

Untuk menguatkan hujah di atas, Nabi Musa berdoa untuk air bagi orang-orang dia (Children of Israel) dan diberi 12 springs untuk mereka gunakan.

And We divided them into twelve descendant tribes [as distinct] nations. And We inspired to Moses when his people implored him for water, "Strike with your staff the stone," and there gushed forth from it twelve springs. Every people knew its watering place. And We shaded them with clouds and sent down upon them manna and quails, [saying], "Eat from the good things with which We have provided you." And they wronged Us not, but they were [only] wronging themselves. - Quran 7:160

Tuhan membahagikan mereka kepada 12 nations / tribes.

And [recall] when We said, "Enter this city and eat from it wherever you will in [ease and] abundance, and enter the gate bowing humbly and say, 'Relieve us of our burdens.' We will [then] forgive your sins for you, and We will increase the doers of good [in goodness and reward]." - Quran 2:58

Jika kita tengok ayat kat atas ni, sesetengah pentafsir kata "the gate" ini merujuk kepada Ali R.A di mana Nabi sendiri pernah kata bahawa Ali R.A adalah "The Gate of City of Knowledge".

KriZalid

tak dak masalah nak semayang atas batu hampar ker, ataih daun ke.
yang penting ia bersih. tu maksud sebenar. Nabi nak tunjuk kat kita
bahawa kita bleh semayang walaupun tak berlapik, mcm tayamum dgn pasir
@ lumpur, yang puak ni pi paham kot laen sapa suruh.

nabi semayang atas batu karbala ka?

twins

poyohabis posted on 11-9-2013 09:36 AM
aku rs org sekarang nie mudah terpengaruh coz ada nikah mutaah...boleh nikah sejam jer..lps main c ...

dalam sokabar kata mas kawin sudu pun boleh.. aper laggiiiii.. kawin tiap2 hari pun boleh ..

am.

KriZalid posted on 11-9-2013 10:51 AM
hang silap, depa hanya percaya pada tanah atau batu dari karbala saja,
yang dah di canai, dibuat  ...

sebagaimana syiah ada pelbagai mazhab, kita kena tahu bahawa sunni pun ada perbezaan pendapat sesama sendiri.

dalam hadith nabi mention dia sujud atas tanah, sama ada tanah mekah ka tanah karbala ka tanah malaysia ka, ia adalah tanah.

jika hang kata mereka handmade / mesin pun sekurang-kurangnya mereka masih pakai batu/mud/clay/tanah tidak seperti sunni yang pakai sejadah atau lantai simen bukan?

am.

KriZalid posted on 11-9-2013 11:00 AM
tak dak masalah nak semayang atas batu hampar ker, ataih daun ke.
yang penting ia bersih. tu maksud ...

karpet sejadah pun belum tentu bersih dan ia semestinya tidak natural.

jika hang condemn pasal batu dari karbala, habis tu kat mana hadith nabi sujud atas sejadah?

KriZalid

am. posted on 11-9-2013 11:02 AM
sebagaimana syiah ada pelbagai mazhab, kita kena tahu bahawa sunni pun ada perbezaan pendapat sesa ...

hang tengok blk komen #30

am.

biosfree posted on 11-9-2013 10:50 AM
DAP x hal dgn semua ni.......kalau nak tau kenapa ramai PAS masih sokong DAP...sbb org2 PAS dah dian ...

orang PAS sokong DAP pasal kuasa politik. PAS tak akan mampu berdiri sendiri. aku tak rasa ada kaitan dengan akidah / pegangan agama sebab dalam DAP pun banyak kristian dan ada yg muslim.

poyohabis

twins posted on 11-9-2013 11:01 AM
dalam sokabar kata mas kawin sudu pun boleh.. aper laggiiiii.. kawin tiap2 hari pun boleh ..{:mlsm ...

kawin mutaah setiap jam pun ada bro...sampai lebam c**** perempuan tu asyik nikah main jer..dia org tu bayi baru lahir pon leh dinikah mutaah kan..leh main gan baby...kejahilan yg melampaui batasan...

am.

KriZalid posted on 11-9-2013 11:05 AM
hang tengok blk komen #30

dari segi kebersihan secara saintifik, hang solat atas tanah, batu, sejadah, mud, clay semuanya tidak bersih dan terdedah kepada bakteria.

jadi point kebersihan hang tu tak boleh pakai. point hang yg tinggal cuma batu karbala je, sebab tu aku nak tanya nabi suruh sujud atas benda natural, batu karbala tu natural, sejadah tu natural ka?

poyohabis

am. posted on 11-9-2013 11:02 AM
sebagaimana syiah ada pelbagai mazhab, kita kena tahu bahawa sunni pun ada perbezaan pendapat sesa ...

senang citer mcm suami aku kata..apa syarat sah solat...tak pyh berbatu2 lar...dah ler dlm solat pon duk maki hamun sahabat nabi...azan pun ditokok tambahkan...syahadah pon dah lari...asas tu kene kukuh...kalo yg asas pon dah ditokok tambah...hancus la jawabnye....

lolipopmanish

bila nak pupus pengikut syiah ni

am.

cakap pasal nikah mutaah (walaupun ikut rukun nikah), kita boleh amik dari kisah nabi dan isteri dia sendiri.

Ghaziya (Umm Sharik) bint Jabir

She was a poor widow with dependent children. She sent Muhammad a proposal of marriage, and he agreed to the contract. However, when he met her in person, he saw that, although attractive, she was "old", and he divorced her immediately. She never remarried.

Ibn Hisham note 918. Al-Tabari, Vol. 9, p. 139. Ibn' Saad 8:111-114

Jadi nabi sendiri pernah kahwin dan terus cerai. ini cuma salah satu contoh; jika nabi boleh berbuat demikian, kenapa ummat dia tak boleh?