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'Rakaman Suara 30 Minit Terakhir Pesawat Tragedi Elmina Berjaya Diperoleh'
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tumpanglalu74 replied at 29-8-2023 09:59 PM
Yayyy Kapitan Kelana indahauzzz!
Yang takde teriak mayday2 tu kenape pulak kapten?
sy tolong jawab lah. konsep nya aviate-navigate- communicate. apa² jadi 1st kne kontrol kapal - arah dan tempat yang betul - bercakap. klu kontrol belum sempat kawal, kurang la nak sampai ke part communicate tu which is mayday call or apa² call |
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kelana36 replied at 29-8-2023 09:46 PM
Dia orang tak tau yang ILS ( Instrument Landing System) kat SZB tu dah bertahun tak ada. The only ...
aduhh . tak buat tit dulu kea. tune identify test. atc bg clearance utk approach apa? |
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Radzor replied at 29-8-2023 10:19 PM
sy tolong jawab lah. konsep nya aviate-navigate- communicate. apa² jadi 1st kne kontrol kapal - a ...
Ade butang yang kene tekan ke kalau nak teriak baru orang boley dengar? Ke boley je teriak bila2 mase becoz takde butang? |
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Kapten herlok minta izin tuk landing dan dpt approval tuk landing.. Tiberkan melencong.. So sebelum melencong semue dlm keadaan terkawal dan ok2x lg la kan... Cume dlm duration before landing tu mcm2x boleh berlaku... |
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gambar kedua tu dah nampak runway depan mata naper belok kanan eh? 
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kalau takde ILS maksudnya dia kena manual lah ye? kalau dalam bahasa kereta understeer oversteer ye?
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Edited by tumpanglalu74 at 29-8-2023 11:20 PM
Decaffeinated replied at 29-8-2023 10:46 PM
gambar kedua tu dah nampak runway depan mata naper belok kanan eh?
Nak avoid langgar housing or commercial area depan tu perhaps? Tapi camne dia tau yang dia dah nak crash ye? Tengok trajectory macam steady je all the way pastu tetibe he took a 90° turn sebijik macam kita nak masok simpang kat trafiklait.
Kat forum aku tepek tu pon bising kata yang pilot tu takde wat ape2 recovery action setelah ditimpe musibah. Tatau la camne dorang tau.. Macam bila dah dive tu dia patot cube dongakkan semule katebang tu. That didn't happen. Siap ade sorang tu hypothesize kata pilot tu dah terjelepok kat yoke sebab tu there was no piloting done towards the end. Co pilot takleh wat ape2 ke? |
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Nak dekat 2 minggu...
Mujur bukan pas yg jadi MOT, so acik2 forum kurang mencerca... |
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tak sempat, memang kejadian tu unexpected and happened secara tiba tiba. 1000 feet from the ground, they were struggling to recover the plane, memang tak sempat la nak buat mayday call.
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kat SBZ tu , ILS and VOR dah lama out of service. Pilots semua tau ( sud read the NOTAM)Standard approach kalau masuk SZB adalah NDB approach. Boleh la buat GPS approach if equipted and trained for.
But masa kejadian tu clear weather, dari jauh lagi dah boleh nampak runway.
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Still boleh buat auto pilot approach cuma less precise kind of approaches.
Standard clearance dari sbz tower , clear for CE NDB approach runway 15. The minimum height ( kena nampak runway by this height is higher) but masa incident tu, the weather was clear, so apa jenis approach dia buat pun sud not be a afactor.
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MissYouSayang replied at 29-8-2023 11:31 PM
Nak dekat 2 minggu...
Mujur bukan pas yg jadi MOT, so acik2 forum kurang mencerca...
Kalau terjadi zaman Jibby ni lg la mcm2 teori konspirasi muncul  |
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kelana36 replied at 30-8-2023 06:41 AM
Still boleh buat auto pilot approach cuma less precise kind of approaches.
Standard clearance dari ...
Sebarang kemungkinan of NEGLIGENCE..... |
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Dalam aviation, terminology dia 'Upset', bila plane departed from its intended flight path . Boleh google pasal upset ni.
Why jadi 'upset' ? at that situation, apa yang I can think off , sudden change in centre of gravity. At slow speed, bila CG too far forward or aft, nak masuk stall tu very likely and fast. Then bila stalling, tak boleh recover sebab CG tak balance. Stalling tu , kalau wing sebelah kanan yg stall dulu, wing tu akan drop. Nak recover kena increase the speed and lower the nose attitude. Kalau pilot tu roll the aircraft to the left untuk counter, situation lagi teruk sebab wing sebelah kanan tu dah stall, kalau guna aileron untuk recover, bertambah stall sampai boleh jadi 90 deg bank.
Kalau at high altitude, the moment the nose low , the speed will increase and senang la nak recover from that stall. Kalau 1000 feet jer room yang available, momentum lagi ( bila stall,rate of desecend high) memang tak sempat la nak recover.
This only my view, boleh jadi salah.
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hmmm yeah, but not the pilots.
katalah 4 orang naik jongkang jongkit , 2 kiri 2 kanan, well balanced. Tiba tiba sorang bergerak to the other side.
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Understeer/oversteer tu bila tayar hadapan/belakang membuang. Macam mana ko draw parallel dengan ILS tak tercapai akal marhaen aku 
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tukar jelah tayar dengan sayap. takkan tu pun kena sis fikirkan . kan dh bg contoh macam kereta
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Tapi katebang pun ada tayar yang itu nak tukar jadi apa pulak
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Post time 29-8-2023 10:19 PM
