[MERGED]-Debmey: SHOW PROOF THAT PROPHET MOHAMMAD IS A PAEDOPHILE?

Debmey

You muslims are the ones who cannot differentiate what is paedophilia. Its plain lame to say that marriage justifies sex with a 9 year old.

KaiserPheonix

This is where your perxeptions are quite wrong. Marriages does not justify paaedophaelic actions, as paedophelia is a wanton lust, while marriages protects the unity of a man and his wife.

Your again2 and again say this because you are not as accquainted to the Arabs (and Arabic customs) rather than Muslims. Arabian children, is more or less like their Caucasian counterpart... They reach puberty at so early an age. At the age of 9 - 10, Arabian girls tends her period, as Caucasion 13 year old, has enjoyed sex intercourse.

So, as their physical growth is rather different from the Asian friends, it is no wonder that they marry so tender an age... Even I have an "adik angkat" from Iraq (al-Rawi region, northern Baghdad). He IS about 13 now, yet he looks much more manly and matured (with moustache, his body build, etc) than me! People always say that I am more likely as ayounger bro, not him!

Moreover, marriages of young women is something rare nowadays, bout not in the days of yore. Ancient Kings, Chinese Emperors has many wives, and concubines comprising of tender age women. The age limit may differ from culture to culture, Asian prefer 16 (to be called maiden)... But the age limit is lower in Africa (check Masai and Bantu cultures), Middle East and Ancient Europe.

So study first the history and etymology of "Paedophila", than only you could stand by it.

Debmey

paedophilia is not just wanton lust, it is having sex with children.
As we have seen, the first mentration is not a sign of physical nor emotional readiness for sex. Mohd and teh arabs got it wrong.
Aisha was neither physically nor emotionally ready for marriage. Thats why she became barren and developed psychological problems.

Fuzzman

Debmey wrote: Aisha was neither physically nor emotionally ready for marriage. Thats why she became barren and developed psychological problems.

Which is more believable? The above written by Debbo or the writing that comes after this sentence stops?
Debbo was neither physically nor emotionally ready to answer the thin red line questions. That's why Debbo became paranoid and developed physchological probelms.

Back to business. Being barren occurs to women in all cultures, nations or civilizations. So this is a no-brainer. Let's try the end part that Debbo says Aishah developed "psychological probelms" because of her being barren. Show proof preacher man?

ARI FUZZMAN

Debmey

One thing at a time. Aisha was barren wasn't she? You mean you don't know?

Fuzzman

Originally posted by Debmey at 2005-2-25 10:03 AM:
One thing at a time. Aisha was barren wasn't she? You mean you don't know?

You said she was barren [there's no record to show she was barren] and that she had developed "psychological probelms" [ also no record to show this.] because of this condition. So now just like you cannot show proof that Prophet Mohammad is a paedophile, show us proof that Aishah was barren and suffered psychological probelms because of it?

ARI FUZZMAN

aenemy7

phaedophilia is sex before marriage to a minor girl, sex before marriage was illegal in Islam and i believe other religion too....

was Aisha did not married to the prophet muhammad(pbuh)?????Yes she did,so why u all accused the prophet for a phaedophile act even if he married Aisha legally with the blessings from her parents,did u all have proof Aisha was raped before marriage????was Aisha didn't fit to get married???.....:hmm:

What u guys should do was,proof to us that Aisha was raped before marriage!!!and i believe u can't proof it anyway!!!:lol :lol :lol ,

Allah Knows Best,Peace Yall....

Originally posted by Fuzzman at 2005-2-25 10:38 AM:

You said she was barren [there's no record to show she was barren] and that she had developed "psychological probelms" [ also no record to show  ...

Show us the proof Debmey. We're waiting.

Fuzzman

So why did Prophet Mohammad marry Aishah?
Definately not because of lust or that the prophet suffers from paedophilia. If the prophet was a paedophile, there is need to show proof that the prophet either is recorded as having continous successive relationships with young "women children" or has been known to marry many "women children". If there is no such proof and we only have the sole marriage to only Aishah, then we can safely deduce that the case of paedophilia is without merit and Debbo loses his case.      

We must however understand that the Prophet's contractual marriage to Aishah has  its sociopolitical reasons. His principal concern was the future of Islam. He was most interested in strengthening the Muslims by all bonds. That is why he married the daughter of Abu Bakr [Aishah], his First Successor, and the daughter of Umar, his Second Successor. It was by his marriage to Juwairiah that he gained the support for Islam of the whole clan of Bani al-Mustaliq and their allied tribes. It was through marriage to Safiyah that he neutralized a great section of the hostile Jews of Arabia. By accepting Mary the Copt from Egypt as his wife, he formed a political alliance with a king of great magnitude. It was also a gesture of friendship with a neighboring king that Muhammad married Zaynab who was presented to him by the Negus of Abyssinia in whose territory the early Muslims found safe refuge.

By contracting most of these marriages, the Prophet meant to eliminate the caste system, the racial and national vanities, and the religious prejudices. He married some of the humblest and poorest women. He married a Coptic girl from Egypt, a Jewess of a different religion and race, a negro girl from Abyssinia. He was not satisfied by merely teaching brotherhood and equality but he meant what he taught and put it into practice.

ARI FUZZMAN

Debmey

Why was Mo's paedophilia recorded? Because Arabs in the 7th century think its OK.

There was no need for the use of marriage to seal ties if these people were spiritual. So all this excuses abt Mo's marriage for politicalk reason simply sjhows that Mo was a carnal man and Islam a carnal religion.

Abu Bakar was already ready to die for Mo so it was not necessary for Aisha to marry Mo to cement ties further. You are simply justifying paedophilia with islam.

Aisha was a ring leader in teh first muslim civil war.

One also does not need to murder more than one person to be a murderer.

Safiyah was forcibly married to Mo, but not before Mo raped her right immediately after killing her family.
   
Not only did mo married multiple wives, he took concubines as well and instituted sex slavery and the rape of captive women.

what else Fuzzy? Waht else? You seem to sink islam deeper into carnality rather than spirituality.

aenemy7

:lol :lol, show proof debmey Aisha was raped before marriage...!!! u can't right??? :lol :lol :lol


Allah Knows Best,Peace Yall....

While we're waiting for your evidence I would like to stress again  that we Muslims have no reason to be apologetic about the final messenger of God's marriage to Lady Aishah (may Allah be pleased with her).

It should be mentioned that the same collection of the hadith that tells us that 'Aishah was only nine years old at the time of the marriage tells us that the marriage was DIVINELY ORDAINED:

Narrated 'Aishah, may God be pleased with her:

The Messenger of God  said (to me):  "You have been shown to me twice in (my) dreams. A man was carrying you in a silken cloth and said to me, 'This is your wife.' I uncovered it; and behold, it was you. I said to myself, 'If this dream is from God, He will cause it to come true.'"

(Saheeh Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 15)

Debmey

Originally posted by aenemy7 at 2005-2-25 11:13 AM:
:lol :lol, show proof debmey Aisha was raped before marriage...!!! u can't right??? :lol :lol :lol


Allah Knows Best,Peace Yall....

Its not rape, its paedophilia.

Debmey

Originally posted by KENNKID at 2005-2-25 11:32 AM:

It should be mentioned that the same collection of the hadith that tells us that 'Aishah was only nine years old at the time of the marriage tells us that the marriage was DIVINELY ORDAINED:

Narrated 'Aishah, may God be pleased with her:

The Messenger of God  said (to me):  "You have been shown to me twice in (my) dreams. A man was carrying you in a silken cloth and said to me, 'This is your wife.' I uncovered it; and behold, it was you. I said to myself, 'If this dream is from God, He will cause it to come true.'"

In that case, Mo isn't divinely guided afterall. He was merely using Allah's name to justify his intentions. From paedophilia to marrying other men's wives to initiating attack on others. From people not being allowed to fart in fornt of him to not staying too long in his house.
Even down to not letting others marry his widows after he died although he makes it a point to marry widows of others.
Muslims claim that mo gave the privildege for widwows to be protected and fed by him while he does not allow his own widows to have the same priviledge.

Everything seems to favour Mo doesn't it?
  

to marrying other men's wives
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Proof debmey proof.

although he makes it a point to marry widows of others.
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marrying widows..hmmm...and that is bad because...?

Muslims claim that mo gave the privildege for widwows to be protected and fed by him while he does not allow his own widows to have the same priviledge.
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In contrast to the Pope living lavishly?  protecting and feeding widows are bad because....

DEBMEY says so?!

Debmey

You can't justify Mo's behaviors my fren? play denial all you want man, it will not stop me nor change the truth abt Mo.

DivinePonytail

Since they think muhammad was NOT a paedophile, maybe they should englighten us what is the definition of paedophilia according to them.
By all means present it here.

Originally posted by Debmey at 25-2-2005 01:29 PM:
You can't justify Mo's behaviors my fren? play denial all you want man, it will not stop me nor change the truth abt Mo.

Justify?  I dont have to justify, but since you made all the claims, you show proofs.

You cant even give proof that he married another man's wife.

Originally posted by DivinePonytail at 25-2-2005 02:10 PM:
Since they think muhammad was NOT a paedophile, maybe they should englighten us what is the definition of paedophilia according to them.
By all means present it here.

Er, the correct answer would be, since you claim Mohammad was one, show proof that the OT does not encourage it?

Debmey

We already proved it. Mo is a paedophile by having sex with Aisha when she was only 9 years old.