[MERGED]-Debmey: SHOW PROOF THAT PROPHET MOHAMMAD IS A PAEDOPHILE?

Fuzzman

FH wrote: I know you will get angry and can't see the fact in front of you, its only natural when you are blinded by blind faith and refuse to see the obvious.

Me angry? You can tell through my writings? I don't think that you are that clairvoyant anyways because if you were, you'd  know that Fuzzman is never angry with confused people like yourself. Why,because you misjudge my writings as one that has anger - when I'm not?

Hate to have to break it to you but what  I do know is that, it is very obvious that you cannot prove Prophet Mohammad to be a paedophile and dare not comment truthfully on the status of the Ansari women - something that Debmey too dares not touch at all.

What I see here is a repetitive pattern in that you people will never touch subjects that works in opposites to your perception of how they really be. That's dangerous because one day, subconsciously that perceptive denial will come back atcha -not only bite you but will subsequently affect your state of mind.

So can you prove that Prophet Mohammad is a paedophile? Hope you can because you people must be really desperate just quoting our of Bukhari already most the times, whilst Debmey is degraded and reduced to his steteotyped stoplock answer. Something that Debmey uses when Debmey doesn't have the answer required [ very obvious in the 2:23 thread]

SHOW PROOF THAT PROPHET MOHAMMAD IS A CONVICTED AND CONFIRMED PAEDOPHILE.

ARI FUZZMAN

Debmey

I already proven with the hadiths. Ahahahahahahaha..............

cheers

Fuzzman

Originally posted by Debmey at 2005-2-21 01:37 AM:
I already proven with the hadiths. Ahahahahahahaha..............cheers

What a nervous laugh you have there? Nope you proved nothing with Bukhari. I'm not taking into account what you, FaithHealer or Divine Ponytail have got to say because what you people have written this far overshoots the point in question and the stuff you people write are all merely amateurish gibber - not something worth pondering over.

For instance in Bukhari, if you know the worth of that source, you will see that that narrative it is a series of conversion passages between the prophet and what transpired - all taken into public account during that time where marriage to girls is the norm. That is why you cannot stick the paedophile tag onto the prophet. It  [ Bukhari] doesn't say that Prophet Mohammad is a paedophile - period. And secondly why dare you not comment on the Ansari women who were mentioned in Bukhari? You talk of the other components of the passages [that seem to suport your cause] but then avoid the others or remnents that goes against your cause. Be strong. If you bring up something make sure you accept victory or defeat in one breath.

SO WHO ARE THE ANSARI WOMEN MENTIONED IN BHUKARI?

ARI FUZZMAN

FaithHealer3

Originally posted by Fuzzman at 2005-2-21 01:28 AM:

Me angry? You can tell through my writings? I don't think that you are that clairvoyant anyways because if you were, you'd  know that Fuzzman is never angry with confused people like yourself. Why,because you misjudge my writings as one that has anger - when I'm not?

What everrrr

Originally posted by Fuzzman at 2005-2-21 01:28 AM:
blah..blah..blah...
So can you prove that Prophet Mohammad is a paedophile?

Already been done. Just reread my post and Debmey's post.

If you still can't understand then its your problem.

To us, it's crytal clear that p.Muhammad had sex with a 9 year old kid and that's pedophilia. An oldman aroused by a kid and have sex with her is a pedophile. Clear and simple. What so dificult to understand that?

Having sex with a kid is not a good example for other to follow. The problem with p.Muhammad is that he claimed that God reveal to him that he is an excellent example for others to follow.
LOL

Q33:21
SHAKIR: Certainly you have in the Messenger of Allah an excellent exemplar for him who hopes in Allah and the latter day and remembers Allah much.



[ Last edited by FaithHealer3 on 21-2-2005 at 03:38 AM ]

FaithHealer3

Originally posted by Debmey at 2005-2-21 01:37 AM:
I already proven with the hadiths. Ahahahahahahaha..............

Yeap. Its been proven.

The Muhammadans can act as-blur-as they want.

Its their own sources that confirms the pedophilia act of their prophet and yet they can't understand.

Its pointless to ask a blindman to see.

aenemy7

U guys haven't proof yet how does a married couple cannot have sex as in the case of prophet muhammad(pbuh) and Aisha, are these phaedophile??? which religion consider a married couple cannot have sex???? did muhammad(pbuh) have sex with Aisha before marriage????if yes that's a phaedophile absolutely but it doesn't happen right??? so it's a legal thing altogether....simple logic and relevant!!! :lol , used this question for those missionaries out there,there's no way they can denied this!!! Aisha is one of the most important women in Islam,she learn a lot from the prophet and later share her knowledge with young generations.....
:ah:


Allah Knows Best,Peace Yall....

Fuzzman

Never better said. Only those who choose to remain blind to the reality that there is no act of paedophilia on the part of Prophet Mohammad will continue to be blind to hard proofs. Until now no one can prove to Fuzzman that Prophet Mohammad is a CONFIRMED, CONVICTED AND PUBLICLY PROVEN [ FROM A REPUTABLE WESTERN OR MIDDLE-EASTERN SOURCE RELIGIOUS SOURCED.] PAEDOPHILE.

They think that by quoting Bukhari, they can lead us into chaos! Works the opposite when they refuse commenting on the Ansari women. Oh Fuzzman knows already that they did research on the  Ansari women and what they got off the Web ain't to their likings. so they chose to skip the bit.

All we have here coming from Debmey, Faith Healer and Divine Ponytail are nothing more than amateurish gibber of no value whatsoever. with no hard proofs. Sorry guys, you lose this battle. What happens before in that era cannot be compared to the laws today. It just doesn't tabulate.

ARI FUZZMAN

DivinePonytail

Originally posted by Fuzzman at 21-2-2005 03:51 PM:
Never better said. Only those who choose to remain blind to the reality that there is no act of paedophilia on the part of Prophet Mohammad will continue to be blind to hard proofs. Unt ...

  Oh but we already prove to you Muhammad was a paedophilia, and better yet we prove it using your own book, the reality is there, its only you who like to remain blind and in denial. Its embarassing right seeing your own prophet commiting the gross act thats why you're using all method and excuse to justify his act.

  Fine then, deny as much as you want but the reality remains. Nevermind the ansari women because muhammad married a 6 year old and consume her at 9 year old. Thats the reality, proof or without proof.

13Friday

Age is very important as everyone agreed it was 9 years old and before puberty.

Any age before puberty can destroy the girl's sexuality and she would not give birth unless the only virgin birth of Jesus Christ.

Again, it is the Satan trying to imitation Jesus Christ as a virgin birth that inspired Mohd to have chance to prove something except LUST.

Satan had overdone that again, as Aisha became childLESS, and so the chance oif the deception never could occur.

If Aisha bore a child, then some people would again declare a virign birth in the like of Son of God, Jesus.  In this case an imitation or scam did not take place.

Incest as practised today is similar to the paedofile of Mohd's time.  Child sex.

That is the spirit of LUST as perpetrated by the followers of Mohd, and that is why it is mentioned in the Haddith.

Originally posted by DivinePonytail at 2005-2-21 04:02 PM:


  Oh but we already prove to you Muhammad was a paedophilia, and better yet we prove it using your own book, the reality is there, its only you who like to remain blind and in denial. Its embar ...

Any marriage is considered as legal and successful, if the three conditions hold good.

- The marriage should have the blessings of one/both parents.

- State/Society should not take any offense and acknowledge the matrimony.


- None of the spouses should live to repent or convey his/her displeasure at the decision of his/her parents/guardians to bind him/her in such an alliance, long after the marriage has taken place. The husband and wife should be happy of being married with each other, till they die.


None of the three and especially the last one, seem to have been defied or negated by the marriage of the prophet with Ayesha (ra). I wouldn't mind marrying off my daughter or sister, if all the three conditions get satisfied and she doesn't live on to repent this decision taken by me on her behalf.

Now, let's start with the definition of 'a Paedophile', in our civilized times. Paedophiles are individuals for whom sexual fantasies about children occupy a very prominent place and persist over a long period of time. Some of them will never become child abusers. For others, however, this danger exists and may be considerable. Occasionally, individuals who realize that their fantasies are "abnormal" and who feel that they pose a threat to children take it upon themselves to consult a specialist.

Only when a paedophile translates his fantasies into action and sexually abuses a child has he committed an offence in the eyes of the law. Beyond puberty, the terms paedophile and paedophilia should not be used, though the mistake is widely made. Confusion arises here because, in the eyes of the law, a child is a person who has not yet reached the age of maturity. This is set at 18 in many countries (though not all) and in all international conventions. Biologically, however, children become mature (sexually) at a much earlier age.


http://www.guidedones.com/metapage/frq/Aishara.htm

Now lets take a look at this:


1) Most American churches being accused of child sexual abuse are Protestant.  Over the past ten years an average of 70 churches per week have been accused of child abuse.

2) It is not just Roman Catholic clergy who are involved in this.  For example the Episcopal Church in the US has the same proportion of child sex scandals as the Catholic - yet it allows its priests to be married and to have children.  Furthermore, according to Leadership Journal, there a number of prominent Protestant churches in the Midwest and South who are currently facing accusations of criminal sexual conduct.  


http://www.freechurch.org/robbo/robbobf.htm

[ Last edited by KENNKID on 21-2-2005 at 05:06 PM ]

Fuzzman

Ponytail wrote: Oh but we already prove to you Muhammad was a paedophilia, and better yet we prove it using your own book, the reality is there, its only you who like to remain blind and in denial.

Hahaha joker. Again for the record, you have no proof at all just amateur gibberish. Wouldn't it seem ridiculous, if marriage at that time to young girls was considered an act of paedophilia, for the Prophet to openly speak of it and to have it recorded down by his close aides? Considering that he be a Messenger of God, to have an act [if it were considered against public acceptances] be made known to those who embraced what he preached?  Come on see beyond the hatred my fren! Nobody is gonna go for such an "open testimonial" that will jeapordise his hard work put in there in the first place.

And talking about books, see what I dug just for you. Read on honeypie!
Although I have respect for the OT prophets but at times I need to quote them to justify the means of right of passage when in opposing opinions with people like you.

You see Prophet Mohammad as a paedophile who lusts for sex with a young girl?  

HOW DO YOU JUDGE PROPHET MOSES [PBUH] FOR ENCOURAGING ACTS OF PAEDOPHILIA?
Numbers 31:17-18  reads :"Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him [31:18]But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."
From the above verse, how old would you roughly put the expectant age of a girl from the time of Moses to be when she is considered not knowing sexual intercourse? Six, Eight or even Nine perhaps?

HOW THEN DO YOU JUDGE GOD ?
Numbers 31:35-40 reads  [35]And thirty and two thousand persons in all, of  women that had not known man by lying with him.[40]And the persons [were] sixteen thousand; of which the LORD'S tribute [was] thirty and two persons.
So does that make God of the Jews a paedophile too for wanting a tribute of 32 young girls who have not known sex with a man as a fitting tribute?

Ponytail wrote: Its embarassing right seeing your own prophet commiting the gross act thats why you're using all method and excuse to justify his act.

Put your money where your mouth is my fren. Justify the above, what Moses did and what God asked for?  Show me your strength in this task.

Ponytail wrote: Fine then, deny as much as you want but the reality remains. Nevermind the ansari women because muhammad married a 6 year old and consume her at 9 year old. Thats the reality, proof or without proof.

Never mind the Ansari women? Going bankrupt in keeping erect impotency eh! [as the good Sonny~~ always says.] That's really poor showing on your part. You put up Bukhari and support it but refuse to go along in totality with Bukhari when the shoe doesn't fit your crooked foot? The reality here is that the presence of the Ansari women gave away your paedophlia accusation on the prophet and you know that dontcha? Want me to elaborate more?

MAY PROPHET MOSES AND MY FATHER FORGIVE ME FOR MENTIONING SOMETHING THAT WAS CONSIDERED NORMAL AT THAT TIME IN HISTORY FOR I BEAR NO MALICE TOWARDS MY FATHER OR HIS MESSENGERS. SO BE IT. AMIN.

ARI FUZZMAN

[ Last edited by Fuzzman on 21-2-2005 at 07:15 PM ]

Debmey

Err... Hi my muslim frens. I have dealt with all those before and you fellas have no answers to it.

How about dealing with the hard evdience from the hadiths that Mo was a proven paedophile presented by me? Your desperation in denial is showing.

DivinePonytail

FUZZMAN,

First of all i notice that you 'change' the title of this thread from:
SHOW PROOF THAT PROPHET MOHAMMAD IS A PAEDOPHILE?
to
SHOW PROOF THAT PROPHET MOHAMMAD CONFIRMED, CONVICTED AND PUBLICLY PROVEN PAEDOPHILE.

Why Fuzzman? We've given the proof that Muhammad a paedophilie, now you're want us to proof he's a  CONFIRMED, CONVICTED AND PUBLICLY PROVEN paedophile instead?  Running from your own question are you?

Bottomline is, an adult who have sex with a child is a confirmed paedophile. Period. Legitimized by marriage or culture or not, it is still peadophile. Thats the meaning of paedo, nothing more nothing less. A person who defend the perverted, inhuman act is truly a sick person.

And since Debmey already deal with the quotes from the OT, iim not gonna repeat him.

[ Last edited by DivinePonytail on 21-2-2005 at 10:27 PM ]

Debmey

Every time counter those attacks on the Bible, they can't even reply. They are so so weak in debate.

Anyway Fuzzman is a typically good Muslim. Thats why he feels comfortable about  shifting his goal post. I noticed it too but it makes no diff to anyone who reads the thread. The case against Mo as an immoral man and a paedophile is indisputable. Fuzzman's attempt to justify Mo's action is at best lame.

peace to all

Nothing new about your accusations, Debmey and pony tail etc. Your false teaching and religion  has stated many falsehoods about the prophets and messengers of God. You have been insulting God all along. Your lies about the final prophet and messenger of God, is expected.

You have that reputation inherited from paul and the other bible authors.

In Judaism and Christianity, characters of prophets & messengers of God  have been frequently portrayed as being backsliding sinners, who engaged in all manner of reprehensible behavior. e.g.

- Prophet Noah (peace be upon him) got drunk and cursed his innocent grandson Canaan to slavery for no fault of his own! He was not even there. [The Holy Bible, Genesis, 6:10].

- Prophet Abraham (peace be upon him) sent Sarah to King of Egypt for flock of sheep [The Bible, Genesis 12: 14-20]

- Prophet Lot (peace be upon him) made incest with his two daughters [The  Bible, Genesis 19:30-38]

- Judah, the father of Jewish race, committed incest with his daughter-in-law Tamar [The  Bible, Genesis 38:15-18].

- Prophet Moses (peace be upon him) was killed of Sin [The  Bible, Deuteronomy 18:18]

- Prophet Aaron (peace be upon him) worshiped idols [The Holy Bible, Exodus 32:2]

- Prophet David (peace be upon him) committed voyeurism and adultery with Bathsheba, the wife of Uriah, and had her husband killed [The Bible, 2 Samuel 11:2-15]

- Amnon, Prophet David's (peace be upon him) son, committed rape and incest  with his half-sister [The  Bible, 2 Samuel 13:14]

- "King Solomon loved many strange women. And he had 700 wives and 300 concubines." [The Bible, 1 Kings 11:3]

- Prophet Solomon (peace be upon him) worshipped the Devil  - 揟he wisest man that ever lived was misled by his wives into worshiping other gods." [The  Bible, 1 Kings.4:31]

True to what was revealed in the Holy Qur'an:

There is among them a section who distort the Book with their tongues:  (as they read) you would think it is part of the Book, but it is no part of the Book; and they say, 慣hat is from Allah

Debmey

Really? So you do admit that Mo was a sinful man lah.

You are right, Christian doctrines tells us that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, including those people you mentioned. The Bible do recognise them as sins.

The problem with Islam is, Mo sinned and islam justifies it as divine guidance.

Thanks Kennkid.

Fuzzman

Debmey wrote: You are right, Christian doctrines tells us that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, including those people you mentioned. The Bible do recognise them as sins.

Who bothers with Christian doctrines? Well you did say "doctrines" didn't you? Doctrines means a principle or body of principles presented for acceptance or belief, as by a religious, political, scientific, or philosophic group; dogma. In short a creation of humans.

Now the Bible? That's a different ball game altogether. It's supposed to be God-inspired. So with regards to paedophilia which you've thrown recklessly at Prophet Mohammad, how then do you address the same poison [paedophilia] when attached to Moses in Numbers 31:18 where everybody's supposed to keep the young girls[ who knows not of sex with men just yet!] who are the spoils of conquest and  to God who asks for a tribute of 32 young girls [who have not known of sex with a man] in Numbers 31:40?

Fuzzman for one believes not this request be of Moses or God but by hand of Jews who have inserted a culture that existed before the time of religion which exists even today in America and Europe.

So how do you judge Moses and God ?

ARI FUZZMAN

Debmey

There was no mention about sex in Numbers, I think the one with sex in mind is you Fuzzy. Ahahahahahahhahahahaha...........

Still no defence for Mo's paedophilia?

Fuzzman

Originally posted by Debmey at 2005-2-22 01:14 AM:
There was no mention about sex in Numbers, I think the one with sex in mind is you Fuzzy. Ahahahahahahhahahahaha...........Still no defence for Mo's paedophilia?

Ahahahahaahahaahahaahaha.. Debbo in denial. So what do you do with the "women children" who know not "a man by lying with him"? Numbers 31:18 clearly says this - "But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."
Women children means young girls. "Keeping alive for yourselves" means for pesonal consumption. So who do they send out to war back then. Young boys or old men?

You pin paedophilia onto Prophet Mohammad when there is no such behavior recorded of him. You deny talking about Ansari women. Avoid them like the plague because you know that Ansari women live through exemplatory religious regimes that directly puts them away from sin.

Acts of paedophilia are made legitmate in Numbers 31:17-18 and Numbers 31:35-40, like it or not. See the bias. You hammer on with the Prophet but deny the same charge with Moses and God Himself? Why so? Can it be because you very well know that Jewish scribes inserted paedophilia into the Bible?

ARI FUZZMAN

aenemy7

So no one here can proof a marriage couple like Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) and Aisha are illegal....so there's no such thing as phaedophile!! :lol :lol :lol



Allah Knows Best,Peace Yall.....