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Sperms are produced in chest not testicle ! According to Quran....

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pazi posted on 1-2-2013 12:12 AM
brader memang terbaik la...mane 2 kapiak tu..nak merepek ape lak la lepas ni..

pazi=白痴
yea....bunyinya pun serupa

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Post time 1-2-2013 12:22 PM | Show all posts
wkk5159 posted on 1-2-2013 10:57 AM
Wow ! the deceptive serpentine ustaz is getting mad....hehe.....typical desperate loser who start ca ...

Ha ha , I want everybody to see and have a good laugh just how losers like you (wkk5159) and that dungu atheist 'prototaip' conduct themselves. You guys have lost and lost badly. You started an argument that you have no idea what it is all about. It is just too easy to debunk and humiliate you people. The very least that dungu atheist 'prototaip' knows when to quit as he could anticipate that his argument was about to be blown to smithereens. You on the other hand is just like a lamb to the slaughter being pulled by the nose.
Wow ! the deceptive serpentine ustaz is getting mad....hehe.....typical desperate loser who start calling names and cursing...cool down old man, watch out for your cardiovascular health. if you later have a heart attack or stroke due to hypertension, you might end up on my patient bed. I may be the physician who treat you and don't worry i won't be vengeful coz i'm not a muslim...

Of course you don't believe in crucifixion of Jesus Christ lah if not you won't be called a muslim lah...you moron !
Christian = Eternal salvation, God inspired wisdom, leading almost every aspect of modern science.....
Muslim = No salvation only submit to Allah, devoid of God wisdom, most backward of all the faiths, even worse than pagan...

Who in their right minds want to become muslim

Ooi tambi or better 'leng chai' , this not a place for you to blabber like an idiot. Save that for your GF or mistress. We are just interested in evidence. If you have any argument then support it with the relevant evidence. Things are starting to get from bad to worse
(1) you claiming to be a so called 'medical professional' die die (mis)understand that sperm = semen
(2) you don't even understand what you read , hmm a 'medical professional'
You a physian? Ha ha , certificate beli punya ka? Things the parents do for their kids nowadays ......

See folks , in the end , these 'kapiaks' argument of 'between the backbone and ribs' has just exploded in their faces. Like I always say :
- Muslim bagi fakta
- Kapiak hanya auta  

Wait! There is more. Somehow or rather this crazy christian 'wkk5159' still thinks his god in biblical Jesus died and was resurrected. When we ask for biblical evidence ...... he will talk about 'testicles' lah , 'god is love' lah but never provide any evidence. Somehow or rather he die die think that 'testicles' and 'god is love' is evidence for his god , biblical Jesus crucifiction (not crucifixion) and resurrection.

Hmmm , a god died .... wonder what happened to the trinity .... oops ... for a time its binity. Then another god resurrected this so called dead god , biblical Jesus. Logically christians should worship the god which resurrected their so called dead god in biblical Jesus. That is a more powerful god. Ha ha
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wkk5159 posted on 1-2-2013 12:05 PM
pazi=白痴
yea....bunyinya pun serupa

haha tak payah nak tukar tajuk la...ko jawab je la pasal thread ni...mengaku medicinal practioner..menda simple pon tak paham2 lagi...ko kate sperm dibuat dari seminal vesicle??ayat 1 post ko dah kantoi..ayat quran tu merujuk kepada semen yang dikeluarkan dari seminal vesicle..tapi kalau betul la ayat tu kata sperm pon still x salah.

5. He was created from a fluid, ejected
6. Emerging from between the backbone and the ribs.

ko tau tak maksud emerge tu ape??bukan tulis kat ayat tu 'create" haha sapa yg idiot wkwkwkwkwkw (stail ketawe orang indo)
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pazi posted on 1-2-2013 01:04 PM
haha tak payah nak tukar tajuk la...ko jawab je la pasal thread ni...mengaku medicinal practioner. ...

semen comes from seminal vesicle?Hahahaha.I detectto catch pazi and sam1528 scientific illiteracy once again.

If Koran refers to semen that comes between ribs and backbone/coccyx/loin (according to interpretations),it is still wrong.

Semen never go through/come from seminal vesicle except in very extraordinary case.Seminal vesicle contains only fluid that is going to mix with sperm to become semen during ejaculation.The mixture does not take place in seminal vesicles.

In other word,if you take out the seminal fluid directly from seminal vesicle (which sam1528 assume between coccyx and ribs) and put into woman vagina, they wont produce baby at all.

Wowww.I managed to debunk muslim pseudo-science again.

So sam1528.Do you  believe semen comes from seminal vesicles now?

Hahaha...manage to catch muslim scientific illiteracy once again.

Now what?Want to play words again?

First, sam1528 claim sperm is part of semen
Status: WRONG

Then, he claim seminal vesicle located between coccyx( a part of backbone) and ribs although he assumed Koran refer to loin.
Status: sam1528  CONTRADICTS HIS POSITION whether he want to draw line between ribs and loin or between ribs and coccyx.

Next,sam1528 and pazi states semen comes/emerge from seminal vesicles.  
Status: WRONG.

This site has one biological professor named Hector.He debunked all muslim arguments totally and made muslims run like headless chicken.Here is his discussions:

http://www.faithfreedom.org/foru ... torder=asc&start=30

Please refer to page 3 and 4 for his arguments and lectures about how sperm/semen/seminal fluids are produced together with their true locations.It destroy Koran scientific miracles completely.

sam1528 and pazi just want to become keyboard warrior in malay muslim forum only.Once they want to argue with real biologists, the world will laught at them and also Koran.


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Post time 1-2-2013 02:31 PM | Show all posts
prototaip posted on 1-2-2013 02:19 PM
semen comes from seminal vesicle?Hahahaha.I detectto catch pazi and sam1528 scientific illiteracy  ...

Additional note to muslims apologists here :

Why dont you ask the muslim doctor in this forum RedDevil or cak...aaaaa whether sperm comes from seminal vesicles or not.Then, you will find out who are actually having scientific illiteracy.Try to invite them to this thread or I assume you are just bullshitting around.Dare to invite them to support you?
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Hehehe....the serpentine ustaz blood pressure must be 200/120 now. Cool down, i don't want to see you in my A&E room........
No need to write a lengthy reply lah serpent, this won't change the fact that muslims in general are science illiterate, smart viewers can tell the difference. Save those energy of yours in facts twisting and googling for futile answers, it's counter productive.  If the poor ustaz still insist to justify a proven erroneous book like quran, he is embarrassing himself, we don't have to break a sweat.....

The common traits that shared by muslim forumers, be in in CARI or FFI are ; they are champion of fact fabrication, have very shalllow knowledges of things other than quran, get mad and violent easily and love to brag and boast about their delusional victory in debate.... Last edited by wkk5159 on 1-2-2013 04:04 PM

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pazi posted on 1-2-2013 01:04 PM
haha tak payah nak tukar tajuk la...ko jawab je la pasal thread ni...mengaku medicinal practioner. ...

Kau tak faham inggeris agaknya, kalau macam tu, macam mana nak mendalami ilmu kamu dalam biology sedangkan kebanyakan buku biology adalah dalam Inggeris ???......saya tak mengharapkan manusia dengan kualiti seperti kamu menjadi professor dalam anatomy tetapi apabila cendekiawan seperti saya dan Prototaip berhujah, belajarlah dengan hati terbuka dan sikap yang rendah diri.

Jika kamu masih nak berkeras kepala bahawa "seminal gland" adalah terletak di antara tulang rusuk terakhir dan tulang belakang terakhir, kamu adalah betul dengan syarat;
1. "Seminal gland" kamu tu terletak di paras yang lebih tinggi daripada pundi kencing sehingga mencecah paras buah pinggang.
2. Tulang rusuk kamu tu terletak di kedudukan yang bawah dari pusat kamu.
3. Tulang belakang terakhir kamu(coccyx) tidak berakhir sebagai"vestigial tail" seperti dalam manusia tetapi bertumbuh menjadi ekor seperti monyet.

Jika kamu masih berkeras mempertahankan hujah kamu bahawa seminal gland adalah terletak di antara tulang rusuk terakhir dan tulang belakang terakhir.....Adakah kamu muslim mengaku diri sendiri adalah mutant dan monyet ??
  
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Man, i just love the signature of Hector in FFI; "What sort of man would f*ck a sweet little prepubescent nine-year-old child who liked playing with dolls and swings? Mo the demon Pedophile."

Hitting right at the bull eye !

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Post time 1-2-2013 06:00 PM | Show all posts
prototaip posted on 1-2-2013 02:19 PM
semen comes from seminal vesicle?Hahahaha.I detectto catch pazi and sam1528 scientific illiteracy  ...

Ha ha , I really don't know how many times must I tell you. Assertions are just your uneducated opinion. It has no weight in any scholarship. Where is your evidence? So far nothing as you are just pulling your so called facts from your rear end.
semen comes from seminal vesicle?Hahahaha.I detectto catch pazi and sam1528 scientific illiteracy once again.

If Koran refers to semen that comes between ribs and backbone/coccyx/loin (according to interpretations),it is still wrong.

Semen never go through/come from seminal vesicle except in very extraordinary case.Seminal vesicle contains only fluid that is going to mix with sperm to become semen during ejaculation.The mixture does not take place in seminal vesicles.

In other word,if you take out the seminal fluid directly from seminal vesicle (which sam1528 assume between coccyx and ribs) and put into woman vagina, they wont produce baby at all.

Wowww.I managed to debunk muslim pseudo-science again.

So sam1528.Do you  believe semen comes from seminal vesicles now?

Hahaha...manage to catch muslim scientific illiteracy once again.

Now what?Want to play words again?

Wow , now your contention is that 'Semen never go through/come from seminal vesicle'. I thought this has been stated very clearly in post#8 :
assumes that the ejaculate (semen) emanates from the testes, this is incorrect.  Sperm is produced in the testes and is then transfered to the seminal vesicles awaiting ejaculation, the=is accounts for 5 % of the ejaculate, the rest of the ejaculate comes from the seminal vesicles (46-80%),with the prostate gland and the bulbourethral and urethral glands producing the rest of the ejaculate. At the time of ejaculation, all this (semen, which contains the sperm) is released

Ha ha , why are you always in a self destruct mode? Can you now explain where you got this understanding that seminal vesciles have got nothing to do with semen? If you are just a dungu , don't drag others to your level. Are you looking for a buddy in your level of subintelligence? Look no further , 'wkk5159' is there with you.

First, sam1528 claim sperm is part of semen
Status: WRONG

Then, he claim seminal vesicle located between coccyx( a part of backbone) and ribs although he assumed Koran refer to loin.
Status: sam1528  CONTRADICTS HIS POSITION whether he want to draw line between ribs and loin or between ribs and coccyx.

Next,sam1528 and pazi states semen comes/emerge from seminal vesicles.  
Status: WRONG.

This site has one biological professor named Hector.He debunked all muslim arguments totally and made muslims run like headless chicken.Here is his discussions:

http://www.faithfreedom.org/foru ... torder=asc&start=30

Please refer to page 3 and 4 for his arguments and lectures about how sperm/semen/seminal fluids are produced together with their true locations.It destroy Koran scientific miracles completely.

sam1528 and pazi just want to become keyboard warrior in malay muslim forum only.Once they want to argue with real biologists, the world will laught at them and also Koran.

Oh I see , to you now : semen does not contain sperm? Ok lah , to you what does semen contain? Coca cola? Ha ha , why you die die want to expose your less than average intelligence?

Ha ha , until now you cannot argue against me on the issue that when a line is drawn from the tip of the coccyx to the lowest point of the 12th ribs , it will go thru the proximal portion of the seminal vesicles.

Ok  , let see what Hector (whom you claim to be a biology professor) has go to say , the same link , go to page 1
Martini ; Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 5:14 am
If you were to draw a line from the tip of coccyx to the lowest part of the 12th rib, yes, you would probably go through at least through the proximal part of the seminal vesicle.

Yes, its a stretch that when Allah mentioned the backbone that He was talking about the tip of the coccyx and that we He mentions the ribs, He was talking about the twelfth rib but we have to give believers the benefit of the doubt. They pin all thier hopes on blind faith, so surely Allah was talking about the tip of the coccyx and the twelfth rib. Oh well.

Hector ; Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 5:18 am
No two human bodies are identical. However, if you look at the diagram I provided, you'd see the seminal vesicle is below the coccyx in the sagittal section. Therefore, in that view, the seminal vesicle cannot be between the ribs and the backbone.

Martini ; Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 5:38 am
If you are looking at the lower diagram, that is a cross sectional view and does not include the coccyx. Look at the diagram above it, If you were to draw a line from the tip of the coccyx and continue going through the proximal portion of the seminal vesicle, you will probably hit the 12th rib.

source , page 1

Hector ; Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 5:42 am
Let's see. This line just 'shaves' the tip of the seminal vesicle and that's the proof? How's that? Does the line include the entire seminal vesicle or not? What about if the person had a full bladder?

source , page 2

Hmmm , Hector (the biology professor) now agrees that the line goes thru the proximal portion of the seminal vesicles. Aiyoyo tambi .... the person whom you appealed to agree and confirm that when a line is drawn from the tip of the coccyx to the lowest part of the 12th rib , it will hit the proximal portion of the seminal vesicles. Can we now agree that 'it is BETWEEN the backbone and ribs'? This is real funny .... your reference that you appealed to , Hector whom you claim to be a biology professor , is in agreement with me and debunking you. Ha ha , TQ very much. Your face and ears must be scarlet or purple in embarrassment.

Ha ha , why are you still talking about sperm? If you are not blind , we are talking about semen , it is fluid ejected , semen and not sperm nor its origin. Can you focus on the correct issue instead of trying your best going sideways to divert the issue. I know you have been embarrassed to no end but why be deceitful trying to divert issues.

Now I have caught you trying to lie. Can you show me where I state of a line between the loins and ribs? This is what happen when an atheist gets desperate after being embarrassed to no end. They tend to lie. Oh well , atheist have no sense of morality .... nothing new eh 'prototaip'.

Ha ha .... 'prototaip' bites the dust ... this time with his own reference .... this is real funny


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prototaip posted on 1-2-2013 02:31 PM
Additional note to muslims apologists here :

Why dont you ask the muslim doctor in this forum R ...

I just don't understand this. Why you die die talk about sperm? We have always talked about semen.
Additional note to muslims apologists here :

Why dont you ask the muslim doctor in this forum RedDevil or cak...aaaaa whether sperm comes from seminal vesicles or not.Then, you will find out who are actually having scientific illiteracy.Try to invite them to this thread or I assume you are just bullshitting around.Dare to invite them to support you?

Thank you .... you again and again (mis)understand that sperm = semen.

I really dont know what to say. Every other post of yours , you seem to make the blunder. When reminded , you still make the same blunder in your alternate post.

I am confident of my abilities. I am not like you who is so afraid to stand alone. You and 'wkk5159' are holding hands crying on each other sholuders consoling each other '... its ok , there is always a tomorrow that our tormentor sam1528 will no longer participate in this forum...'

Ha ha , this is real funny ....

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wkk5159 posted on 1-2-2013 03:27 PM
Hehehe....the serpentine ustaz blood pressure must be 200/120 now. Cool down, i don't want to see yo ...

Err , refer to my post#209 , the discussion between Hector and Martini
Hehehe....the serpentine ustaz blood pressure must be 200/120 now. Cool down, i don't want to see you in my A&E room........
No need to write a lengthy reply lah serpent, this won't change the fact that muslims in general are science illiterate, smart viewers can tell the difference. Save those energy of yours in facts twisting and googling for futile answers, it's counter productive.  If the poor ustaz still insist to justify a proven erroneous book like quran, he is embarrassing himself, we don't have to break a sweat.....

The common traits that shared by muslim forumers, be in in CARI or FFI are ; they are champion of fact fabrication, have very shalllow knowledges of things other than quran, get mad and violent easily and love to brag and boast about their delusional victory in debate....

Ha ha , I do believe Hector whom 'prototaip' claim to be a biology professor admit that when a line is drawn from the tip of the coccyx to the lowest part of the ribs , it will hit the proximal portion of the seminal vesicles. You know what this mean? We muslims win , you (a crazy christian) and 'prototaip' (a dungu atheist) lost and lost big time. Ha ha , the reference that you people appealed to has debunked you in every angle possible. Therefore the phrase 'BETWEEN the backbone and ribs' is right.

Ha ha , a so called 'medical professional' and a '...ooh I am an oversea graduate who scored straight A's in my SPM' don't even know biology 101 .... oops no , form 4 biology. The best part .... you got refuted by your own reference.

Bring out the party hats and the crackers .... 'wkk5159' and 'prototaip' are now eating their shoes. You guys want your shoes well done or medium rare? Ha ha ...

See folks ... '..When truth is hurled against falsehood, falsehood perishes, for        falsehood by its nature is bound to perish..' , Quran21:18

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wkk5159 posted on 1-2-2013 07:47 AM
Thank you Osama wannabe for the non-stop entertainment....keep it up !

Osperma? Produced in chest not testicles?

The best intepreter-joke ever!

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wkk5159 posted on 1-2-2013 04:13 PM
Man, i just love the signature of Hector in FFI; "What sort of man would f*ck a sweet little prepube ...

Yes, especially the biologist-intepreter wannabe(s)
graduated from University of Pedophillies...

Back n forth for puberty, puberty, puberty...he said.


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Dzulqarnain posted on 1-2-2013 06:29 PM
Yes, especially the biologist-intepreter wannabe(s)
graduated from University of Pedophillies...: ...

Man ! We couldn't thank you enough for your daily dose of idiotic entertainment...keep it up !

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wkk5159 posted on 1-2-2013 08:15 PM
Man ! We couldn't thank you enough for your daily dose of idiotic entertainment...keep it up !

i tot u are the real entertaintainmnt cartoon,  man please refute back with journals u got.so pity sam have to find all the proofs yet you just give personal attack. dont just blabbering like in kedai kopi ya medicinal cartoon practitioner...


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pazi posted on 1-2-2013 09:42 PM
i tot u are the real entertaintainmnt cartoon,  man  please refute back with journals u got.s ...

Eh......seemingly muslims not only science illiterate and seriously lacking in wisdom but also having difficulty in differentiating sarcasm and personal attack.....well done ! Another piece of classical muslim idiotic amusement.
Just showed it to my co-workers and the outcome ??......you got it right, another commotional giggle and chuckle.....wahahaha !
My colleagues even rank the degree of stupidity of 4 muslims in this thread......1.Dzulqarnain. 2. Pazi. 3. sam1528 4. Cuai  
Some consolation for you here, at least you are not the stupidest.....


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We can not! stick wisdom like plate numbers at the front and rear to our self
while saying 'I'm wise proving testicles produce sperm, chest...not!'
- maybe he meant water chestnut? I dunno la.

Biologist wannabe always said that - Biology is anatomy, anatomy is biology.
At the end of the day, he's an anatomist.
Just stick it, and again...again...
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Let's all get the ultimate biological fact in place because my thread here have no rooms for pseudoscience as it is synonym with one particular faith here. Let's make it simple;

1. Sperm = produced in testicle
   Seminal fluid = Approx. 60% produced in seminal gland, 40% in prostate
   Semen = mixture of sperm and fluid produced in prostate & seminal gland

2. Storage of sperm = In the ampulla, located at tip of vas deferens where it is mixed with fluid from prostate and seminal gland. This is the place where sperm is stored before it is ejaculated. Please note, sperm never enter seminal gland !

From the very first post of that serpentine ustaz, he was insisting that seminal gland is responsible for male reproduction and testicle, epididymis, vas deferens, ampulla and prostate were left out from the picture....DAMN WRONG !

And later he argued on the "even he is not sure fact" that seminal gland is located within the the boundary of thoracic cavity and imaginary line drawn from last rib to coccyx. From my years with the cadaver, more than 90% of male's seminal gland located well below this imaginary line. Even that remaining 10%, the imaginary line barely touch the proximal part of the seminal gland. So to say seminal gland is located within that imaginary line is well....only pseudoscience from muslim will advocate.
Even when Hector of FFI raised question of whether it is because of a distended urinary bladder that cause the seminal gland to be touched by that imaginary line but from my own experience seminal gland is located at the lateral side of urinary ladder and distended bladder only push it sideway instead upward.......Again, the assertions from the science illiterate muslims; DAMN WRONG

See, i don't need copy and paste from any website to substantiate my point and unlike the science illiterate muslims who has to resort to turn to anti-Islamic website like FFI for assistance, poor thing.....because deep inside them they know very well that their own Islamic site only advocate pseudoscience......Truly pathetic and contradictory personality. Of course lah, muslims mah !
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wkk5159 posted on 2-2-2013 09:01 AM
Let's all get the ultimate biological fact in place because my thread here have no rooms for pseudos ...

Ha ha , you and 'prototaip' are still arguing on something that you guys have lost and lost badly. This shows that you guys don't even know what you are talking about. Its just arguing for the sake of arguing. All of your arguments are just assertions. We want evidence not assertions. You think by you claiming to be a so called 'medical professional' your opinion is above others? There are thousands of specialists who have differed opinion and they are much more learned and better than you if you are really a doctor per your insinuation.
Let's all get the ultimate biological fact in place because my thread here have no rooms for pseudoscience as it is synonym with one particular faith here. Let's make it simple;

1. Sperm = produced in testicle
   Seminal fluid = Approx. 60% produced in seminal gland, 40% in prostate
   Semen = mixture of sperm and fluid produced in prostate & seminal gland

2. Storage of sperm = In the ampulla, located at tip of vas deferens where it is mixed with fluid from prostate and seminal gland. This is the place where sperm is stored before it is ejaculated. Please note, sperm never enter seminal gland !

From the very first post of that serpentine ustaz, he was insisting that seminal gland is responsible for male reproduction and testicle, epididymis, vas deferens, ampulla and prostate was left out of the picture....DAMN WRONG !

And later he argued on the "even he is not sure fact" that seminal gland is located within the the boundary of thoracic cavity and imaginary line drawn from last rib to coccyx. From my years with the cadaver, more than 90% of male's seminal gland located well below this imaginary line. Even that remaining 10%, the imaginary line barely touch the proximal part of the seminal gland. So to say seminal gland is located within that imaginary line is well....only pseudoscience from muslim will advocate.
Even when Hector of FFI raised question of whether it is because of a distended urinary bladder that cause the seminal gland to be touched by that imaginary line but from my own experience seminal gland is located at the lateral side of urinary ladder and distended bladder only push it sideway instead upward.......Again, the assertions from the science illiterate muslims; DAMN WRONG

See, i don't need copy and paste from any website to substantiate my point and unlike the science illiterate muslims who has to resort to turn to anti-Islamic website like FFI for assistance, poor thing.....because deep inside them they know very well that their own Islamic site only advocate pseudoscience......Truly pathetic and contradictory personality. Of course lah, muslims mah !

(1) Nobody is talking about sperm. The issue in contention is 'fluid ejected' or semen not , I repeat not sperm. I don't know why you and 'prototaip' keep on blabbering about sperm. Can you give a justification of why you keep talking about sperm? I really would like to know. Nobody stated that the seminal gland is responsible for male reproduction. Why are you trying to lie your way thru? This is typical of a crazy christian who follows Paul in lying for his religion ; rom3:7 '..Someone might argue, “If my falsehood enhances God’s truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?”..'

(2) The people appealing to pseudoscience here are you and 'prototaip'. You guys just cannot stomach that you have been proven wrong more so with your own reference. Ha ha , now your contention is that Hector (the claimed biology professor) stated about a bloated urinary bladder? I don't think so .... he stated in no uncertain terms the the line will touch the seminal vesicles.

You see , even with an innovative response you guys are incapable of any refutation. You and 'prototaip' are the people who resorted to such forums in support of your arguments. If you recall , you and 'prototaip' keep on pimping for the FFi forum. Too bad for you , the very forum has debunked your arguments. The fact is that both you guys lost and lost badly,

Oops , this is not the end. The basis of yours and 'propotaip' argument of Quran86:4-7 is all about selective translations. Both of you guys cherry picked translations to suit your argument. 'Prototaip' argued with the article from answering Islam citing ibn Abbas / ibn Kathir claiming that they (ibn abbas / ibn Kathir) translated 'taraeb' being ribs and 'sulb' being backbone , post#152 , bit part :
The following commentary is taken from Tafsir Ibn Kathir - Abridged Volume 10, Surat At-Tagabun to the end of the Qur'an, abridged by a group of scholars under the supervision of Shaykh Safiur-Rahman Al-Mubarakpuri, Darussalam Publishers & Distributors, September 2000:

    <He is created from a water gushing forth.> meaning, the sexual fluid that comes out bursting forth from the man AND THE WOMAN. Thus, the child is produced FROM BOTH OF THEM by the permission of Allah. Due to this Allah says,
    <roceeding from between the backbone and the ribs.>
    meaning, the backbone (or loins) of the man and the ribs OF THE WOMAN, which is referring to her chest. Shabib bin Bishr reported from 'Ikrimah, who narrated from Ibn 'Abbas that he said,
    <roceeding from between the backbone and the ribs.>

The question here ; how do you know ibn Abbas and ibn Kathir were in the opinion or translated that 'sulb' = backbone and 'taraeb' = ribs? These people lived ~1000yrs ago when english was not the medium of communication in the civilized world. This means both of you are just like 2 of the 3 blind mice. The original works of ibn Kathir and the said hadith are in arabic. Why are you people arguing on a translation and taking it to be the absolute and then die die claim that you are right? You guys are making yourself out to be clowns. If you had the intelligence to understand what you read , the citation to ibn Kathir works was translated around the year 2000. Your reference is a translated and not the original works. A translation cannot be 100% accurate.

'Prototaip' post#130
Here is Abd-Allah's definition of sulb:
Note that 'sulb' is *singular*. In the dictionary by Wehr you cite below, you will see that its meaning of backbone is *only* when we take the *plural* word of sulb (aslaab). In its singular form, it means hardening.
Ahmed A. Abd-Allah

We do find it surprising that almost all the commonly available translations of the Qur'an refer to sulb as the backbone, though some refer to loins. Even Ibn Kathir accepts backbone. Is Wehr a more authoritative and knowledgeable authority on the Arabic language than Ibn Kathir? This is difficult to believe.

Total BS. Hans Wehr / Lane's Lexicon are modern arabic to english dictionaries. I have provided proof that Lane's Lexicon in reference to Quran86:7 states of loins for 'sulb'. In addition it states that 'taraeb' is a rare word and its for females but in modern arabic 'taraeb' is more commonly understood being ribs , chest or the like. However the language of the Quran is classical arabic and in this case we need to refer to classical sources as Lane's Lexicon has stated that 'taraeb' is a rare and old / ancient word. The classical arabic dictionary ,  Lisan Al Arab correctly defines 'taraeb' to be the abdomen or part of a human body that deal in consummation , fertilization , pregnancy and birth of a woman. The question again , since when did ibn Kathir accepted 'sulb' to be backbone? His original works is in arabic. To any arabic speaking person , when reading the said verses , they will understand 'sulb' to be loins and 'taraeb' to be abdomen (or human body that deal in consummation , fertilization , pregnancy and birth) of a woman.

In the end yours and 'prototaip' arguments are based on translations which you guys cherry pick to suit your argument. Such is downright intellectually dishonest - a typical trait of a crazy christian and a dungu atheist. Since you guys die die in your innovative intellectual dishonesty insist on the 'between backbone and ribs' argument , we gave you an innovative answer that when a line drawn between the tip of the coccyx and the lowest part of the 12th ribs , the said line will hit the proximal portion of the seminal vesicles thus fulfilling the condition of 'BETWEEN the backbone and ribs'. The best part , Hector , a so called biology professor whom 'prototaip' and you appealed to , from the FFI forum , confirm of such thus debunking both of you.

In the end , your dishonest argument has exploded in your faces thus embarrassing you guys to no end. Most of the time you and 'prototaip' are just cherry picking translations to suit your arguments. Ha ha , do you know that arabic is a living language and its always so easy to debunk you intellectually dishonest guys once we refer to the original sources. I am not sayiing I am fluent in arabic , but there are credible sources that can be of reference.

Ha ha .... kan dah malu. Lain kali pakai otak sikit .... boleh tak?

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Thank you for another entertaining classical moronic post by a typical religious muslim, keep it up ! The world is watching.

Any rational thinking human being know that Islam cannot withstand scrutiny by intelects of other faiths. The very concrete proof is in front of us;
In all Islamic countries including Malaysia, why Islam prohibit and ban proselytizing of muslims by other religion but allow and encouraging proselytizing of non-muslims by their evil doctrines ??? The murtad muslims or muslims who leave this evil faith even threatened with death ! No other civilized people will commit such barbaric act...let alone any religion you can think of except Islam.
The answer is simple; Islam cannot compete with other religions on equal playing field. Islam is rigid but it is easily smashed into smithereens by truth ! Their Quran is filled with erroneous verses that cannot withstand scrutiny from intelligent people.....Islam only appeals to people with specific traits; eg: congenitally evil, mentally retarded, lotharios.....sound familiar, yes, you guess it right.....Their zombie followers only follow the path left by the infamous pseudoprophet by the name of Mu-ham-mad.  
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