[MERGED]-Debmey: SHOW PROOF THAT PROPHET MOHAMMAD IS A PAEDOPHILE?

mrssazali · Post time 8-4-2008 09:18 PM

Originally posted by samyvellu at 8-4-2008 08:37 PM

Care to show me the proof that she was not hurt and suffer no physchological problems?

Historically, the age at which a girl was considered ready to be married has been puberty. This was the case in Biblical times, and is still used to determine the age of marriage in what the culturally arrogant West calls "primitive societies" throughout the world. As the ah鈊顃h about cAishah's age show, her betrothal took place at least three years before the consummation of the marriage. The reason for this was that they were waiting for her to come of age (i.e. to have her first menstrual period). Puberty as a biological sign shows that a women is capable of bearing children. Can anyone logically deny this? Part of the wisdom behind the Prophet's marriage to cAishah just after she reached puberty is to firmly establish this as a point of Islamic Law, even though it was already cultural norm in all Semitic societies (including the one Jesus(P) grew up in). The large majority of Islamic jurists say that the earliest time a marriage can be consummated is on the onset sexual maturity (bulugh), meaning puberty. Since this was the norm of all Semitic cultures and it still is the norm of many cultures today: it is certainly not something that Islam invented.

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samyvellu · Post time 8-4-2008 09:23 PM

Originally posted by mrssazali at 8-4-2008 09:18 PM

Historically, the age at which a girl was considered ready to be married has been puberty. This was the case in Biblical times, and is still used to determine the age of marriage in what ...

When a girl starts her menstrual cycle, she is not ready for sex. Muhammad got this wrong.

She is only physically ready once her puberty is complete. This takes a few years from the first signs of puberty to post-puberty.

Debmey · Post time 8-4-2008 09:29 PM

Originally posted by mrssazali at 8-4-2008 09:03 PM

What is important here is not some random age, but the state of physical and mental maturity. It is well known that humans in hot countries mature much faster that in colder climates. During some research on this very issue I discovered that the earliest recorded pregnancy was and eight year old girl in South America!
Aisha was therefore mature enough for this marriage

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What rubbish, there is nothing to ever suggest people in hot weather mature faster.
You mean you muslims take morality from south americans? Just because there is another case of paedophilia in south america does not mean it was OK for mohd to be paedophile.

What about Mary, Jesus' Mother peace be upon both of them? How old was she when she got pregnant?
Joseph, Mary's husband, was "90 years old" when he married 12 to 14-year old Mary! Was he too a pedophile?

There is no evidence to claim that Joseph was 90 and Mary was 12 when they got married. What are you talking about? Are you halucinating again?

The truth is, mohd was really a paedophile and false prophet!

donbotak · Post time 8-4-2008 09:32 PM

hehehehehe..........

debunked.....

very lame....

mrssazali · Post time 8-4-2008 09:36 PM

Originally posted by samyvellu at 8-4-2008 09:23 PM

When a girl starts her menstrual cycle, she is not ready for sex. Muhammad got this wrong.

She is only physically ready once her puberty is complete. This takes a few years from the first ...

Puberty = Maturity = Marriage...

Overcoming cultural bias or admitting your own double standards is not always easy For some people, it takes years for them to admit that they've been hypocritical.

ISLAM BKN SEKADAR BACA DAN LIHAT...ISLAM ITU AMAL, BELAJAR MENGENAINYA DAN HIDUP BERSAMANYA...SINCE U TAK BERAMAL, TAK BELAJAR MENGENAINYA APATAH LG HIDUP BERSAMANYA MAKA U TIDAK LAYAK UNTUK PERTIKAIKAN APA YG KAMI DUKUNG DAN APA YG KAMI TAUHIDKAN. JGN JADI SEPERTI LUNCAI YG TERJUN BERSAMA LABU2NYA....

mrssazali · Post time 8-4-2008 09:39 PM

Originally posted by Debmey at 8-4-2008 09:29 PM

What rubbish, there is nothing to ever suggest people in hot weather mature faster.
You mean you muslims take morality from south americans? Just because there is another case of paedophili ...

ITS THE TRUTH deb AND YET U KEEP DENYING IT......I'M SO SICK WITH UR GRANDMA STORIES......

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mrssazali · Post time 8-4-2008 09:42 PM

MENDAPPP LAGIIIII

mrssazali · Post time 8-4-2008 09:44 PM

Originally posted by donbotak at 8-4-2008 09:32 PM
hehehehehe..........

debunked.....

very lame....

akukamudandia · Post time 8-4-2008 09:52 PM

SEMOGA ANDA YANG MAHUKAN JAWAPAN MEMBACANYA..

PENJELASAN TERHADAP PERKAHWINAN MUHAMMAD DAN AISHAH
Musuh-musuh Islam pada hari ini cuba untuk mengelirukan serta memperdaya umat Islam dengan mengeluarkan kenyataan bahawa Nabi merupakan seorang 'pedophile', berdasarkan fakta bahawa Nabi mengahwini isterinya Aisyah r.a. ketika beliau berumur 6 tahun (tetapi hanya duduk bersama Rasulullah setelah baginda berhijrah ke Madinah.. ketika itu, Aisyah berumur 9 tahun dan Nabi berumur 53 tahun..)

Ye ke?

Walaupun terdapat sesetengah pihak yang berusaha membuktikan bahawa umur Aisyah ketika itu bukanlah 6 tahun seperti yang digembar-gemburkan dengan membawa bukti beberapa peristiwa sejarah dan beberapa hadith yang lain, namun kita cuba untuk memberikan jawapan yang memuaskan hati semua pihak.

Anda boleh membaca tentang perbahasan umur Aisyah r.a. di sini

Fadel Soliman, pengasas Bridges Foundation, sebuah pertubuhan yang diasaskan di Mesir bertujuan memberi penerangan tentang Islam kepada masyarakat dunia, terutamanya masyarakat barat, sewaktu mengadakan sebuah bengkel di Setiawangsa, Kuala Lumpur, pernah memberikan sedikit panduan untuk menjawab persoalan seperti ini jika dikemukakan.

Macam mana nak jawab?

1) Children Marriage, secara umumnya boleh dibahagikan kepada 2 jenis, jenis pertama yang lebih biasa dipraktikkan, iaitu mengahwinkan kanak-kanak perempuan kepada seorang lelaki dewasa, dan kedua, iaitu mengahwinkan 2 orang kanak-kanak sejak kecil, tetapi diasingkan sehinggalah mereka mencapai umur yang sesuai untuk hidup sebagai suami isteri.

2) Perkahwinan jenis pertama dahulunya diamalkan secara meluas di serata dunia, namun ianya semakin berkurangan akibat manusia telah menjalani proses tamadun yang kebanyakannya menekankan hak-hak manusia dan hak-hak kanak-kanak.

3) Di zaman Nabi s.a.w, perkahwinan antara seorang lelaki dewasa dan seorang kanak-kanak perempuan merupakan satu kebiasaan dan telah menjadi adat masyarakat Arab ketika itu. Oleh itu, perkahwinan Nabi s.a.w. dengan Aisyah r.a. ketika beliau masih dalam umur kanak-kanak merupakan perkara biasa ketika itu.. Kebiasaan yang tidak mendatangkan sebarang keaiban mahupun merendahkan martabat Nabi s.a.w. Ianya hanya menjadi janggal jika ianya dilihat dari kaca mata masyarakat dunia hari ini.

4) Perkahwinan Nabi dengan Aisyah tidak melanggar sebarang undang-undang agama Islam, mahupun adat istiadat masyarakat Arab ketika itu. Ianya dijalankan dengan sah dan dengan kerelaaan daripada kedua-dua belah pihak.

5) Nabi dan Aisyah tidak terus hidup bersama sebaik sahaja berkahwin. Perkahwinan mereka berlangsung sebelum hijrah ketika Aisyah berumur 6 tahun, dan hanya duduk bersama Rasulullah setelah baginda berhijrah ke Madinah.. ketika itu, Aisyah berumur 9 tahun dan Nabi berumur 53 tahun

Apa buktinya?

Cuba kita perhatikan.. Musuh-musuh Islam ketikamana dakwah Nabi berlangsung di Mekah dan Madinah seperti Abu Jahal dan Abu Lahab.. Mereka berusaha sedaya upaya untuk menghina Nabi dan menghentikan dakwah Nabi dengan menyebarkan berita palsu bahawa Nabi merupakan seorang penyair, orang gila, ahli sihir, pembohong besar, inginkan pangkat dan harta dan sebagainya..

Namun pernahkah kita jumpa kisah di mana Abu Jahal dan Abu Lahab menggelarkan Nabi sebagai seorang Pedophile?

Hal ini jelas menggambarkan bahawa adat masyarakat Arab ketika itu tidak menganggap perkahwinan dengan kanak-kanak merupakan satu keaiban atau kejanggalan.. Jika tidak, sudah tentu hal ini menjadi point besar kepada mereka untuk menjatuhkan kredebiliti Nabi s.a.w.

Perkahwinan Kanak-kanak Masih Diamalkan Sehingga Hari Ini

Perkara ini tidak menjadi kehairanan dalam masyarakat Arab 1400 tahun dahulu.. Malah ianya masih lagi diamalkan oleh sebahagian masyarakat di dunia sehinggalah hari ini.

Contohnya menurut wikipedia.org, kira-kira 45% kanak-kanak perempuan di Bangladesh berkahwin sebelum mencapai umur 15 tahun.. Begitu juga di sebahagian kawasan di India dan Afrika.

Justeru, dakwaan ini merupakan dakwaan yang tidak berasas dan hanya berniat untuk mengelirukan umat Islam dan juga menjatuhkan imej Nabi s.a.w.

Sempena Maulidurrasul kali ini, marilah kita sama-sama memuliakan serta membersihkan nama Nabi kita di kalangan masyarakat dunia. Ini merupakan tanggung jawab serta kewajipan setiap individu muslim. Jangan hanya berkobar-kobar menyambut maulid, tetapi melupakan Nabi sebaik sahaja tamat sambutan..

akukamudandia · Post time 8-4-2008 09:52 PM

sangkut??? mendap??? tidak...!!! mana posting aku..!!!

akukamudandia · Post time 8-4-2008 09:53 PM

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akukamudandia · Post time 8-4-2008 09:54 PM

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jaundice · Post time 8-4-2008 10:12 PM

I didn't deny that she committed a rebellion, I said that you have no proof that she caused the rebellion because of her psychological hurt. During the time Abu Bakr became caliph, after that Umar became caliph, after that Uthman became caliph, Aisha didn't do any rebellion. I said that she did carry out a rebellion during Ali's rule because political tensions during Ali's rule was high. You were the one who didn't understand my post.

And like I said, the human mind is relative, I see no wrong in it, none of us see any wrong with it, because Muhammad never hurt Aisha. It is you who perceieve it to be wrong, because of your cultural influences.

jaundice · Post time 8-4-2008 10:13 PM

mendap.....

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Debmey · Post time 8-4-2008 10:46 PM

Aisha supposedly married a godly man and in the aftermath of his death became a ring leader in a rebellion that killed thousands.
Not only that, she conspired with other women to deceive mohd.
How healthy a mind is that?

Finally, she was childless after 8 years of marriage. How can she not be barren?

In other words, I am correct and the evidence is clear. Aisha's child marriage to mohd had destroyed her physically and psychologically.

donbotak · Post time 8-4-2008 10:56 PM

again.............debunked.......

lame...........

jaundice · Post time 8-4-2008 11:04 PM

Aisha's not perfect. Neither was any of the prophet's companions. They were all normal human beings. It was clearly political.

And just because she didn't have a child doesn't mean she was barren as a result of sex. Out of Muhammad's wives, only Khadija and Maria bore children. What about the other 10? Were they barren too?

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