[MERGED]-Debmey: SHOW PROOF THAT PROPHET MOHAMMAD IS A PAEDOPHILE?

jaundice

"Medeival" here doesn't mean 7th century.

samyvellu

Originally posted by jaundice at 7-4-2008 08:58 PM
That hadith did not say that the prophet had sex with aisha when she was not yet reached puberty.

Dear muslims,
It is clear from the above hadiths.

1.Ayesha was very young, prepubescent, Not yet ready for marriage.
2. She was still playing with dolls.
3. She was swung on a swing between two branches.(Only little girls will play these games)
4.Ayesha was made to sit on the lap of mohammed.(this explains Ayesha wasvery small innocent girl who didn't understand what was going on)

Muhammadclaimed to have "sublime morals" (68:4) and be 揳 good example tofollow" (33:21). He referred to himself as "the mercy of God for all the worlds" (21:107)..

Yet, Muhammad抯 behavior would be considered criminal in every civilized nation on earth. No moralsociety has ever condoned old men having sex with young children. We would certainly put a man in jail if he wanted to follow the Sunnah of the prophet in this day and age and "marry" a 6-year-old child.Pedophilia is so heinous, convicted felons torment child abusers-even they can抰 stand to be in their presence. Such a grotesque act disqualified Muhammad from his alleged calling.

[ Last edited by  samyvellu at 7-4-2008 09:11 PM ]

mrssazali

ades ngantuk aku ngan topik meraban niiiiiii...ntah apa2....

rayna_raynes

so? it is His lawful wife.. it is also stated that ur lawful wife is yours, do what you like with it.. *d'oh*

MrFed

semivalue, did u dig further into the hadiths? there are real stories behind that. does it mean marrying a 6 yrs old kid must had sex with her? go & read further pls...

samyvellu

Originally posted by MrFed at 7-4-2008 09:18 PM
semivalue, did u dig further into the hadiths? there are real stories behind that. does it mean marrying a 6 yrs old kid must had sex with her? go & read further pls...

Sir,
Muhammad actually married the girl when she is six year old and consummated  her when she was 9-yrs old.
Dont tell me you dont understand the word 'consummated ' there.

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased withher) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peacebe upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted tohis house when I was nineyears old.'

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and heconsummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then sheremained withhim for nine years (i.e., till his death).

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65
Narrated 'Aisha:
thatthe Prophet married her when she was six years old and heconsummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: Ihave been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years(i.e.till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was sixyears old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nineyears old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till hisdeath).

mrssazali

Prophet Muhammad(saw) was a Noble Messenger of God. Muhammad(saw) lived in a society and culture that existed 1400 years ago, and we must not judge what he or others did based on the standards we have set today. It is wrong and foolish to do so!.

In hinduism, they also beleives in early marriages . Child marriage of daughters 5-6 years old was common due to the custom of dowry and to avoid scandals [Nand 17] [Basham 167-8] [Yadav 70] [Altekar 16] [Banerjee 70]. Hindu Law books prescribe that the best partner for a man in one-third his age. Thus a man 18 year old should marry a girl 6 years old!

MrFed

yup we know that so what's seems to be the problem here? are u saying that there are none 9yrs old that reach puberty???

mrssazali

ades penat ngan propaganda depa ni........patut manusia macm nii dihalau keluar dari masyarakat...duduk dalam hutan bekawn dgn haiwan....Tiada agama yg meminta pengikutnya menghina sesama sendiri. Dari duk bising kat sini incik samy baik ko pikirkan masa dpn kaum ko yg hidup dalam kemelaratan tu......Apa yg ko buat ni tak bawak paedah ponnn

ussopp

zaman dulu2 mmg kahwen awal.....

satu lagi.....tak payah nak ulang balik thread  ni.....dah ade dah....sila bukak balik...........

kalau kau nak tahu, zaman dulu2, semua bangsa dalam dunia ni, apabila perempuan tu dah nampak agak2  sesuai, diorang kahwinkan terus...........

zaman dulu2 memang camtu.....

zaman sekarang ni wujud istilah underage padahal istilah tu tak perlu.....

asalkan pihak ibubapa setuju boleh jer kahwin....benda ni biasa, 50 tahun lalu pun kat Malaysia masih lagi kahwin awal....cuba tanya nenek ko samivellu umur berapa dia kahwin....

benda ni biasaa.............orang sekarang je yg pandang pelik sebab semua nak taraf hidup tinggi.....baru nak kahwin....

orang zaman dulu2, tak kira bangsa apa pun semua kahwin kan anak  perempuan diorang cepat2.....

samyvellu

Originally posted by mrssazali at 7-4-2008 09:30 PM
Prophet Muhammad(saw) was a Noble Messenger of God. Muhammad(saw) lived in a society and culture that existed 1400 years ago, and we must not judge what he or others did based on the standards we ...

This is what muslims will do if cant accept the FACTS.


Back to the topic,a 55 year old man having sex with a 9 year old is sick.
What will happen if Muhammad still lives today?Im sure we would say he has some kinda of mental problems.
And,Muhammad is the muslims' perfect man. The quran tells muslims that they should follow muhammad's ways.


[ Last edited by  samyvellu at 7-4-2008 10:01 PM ]

rayna_raynes

hmm..

back then 9 year olds are much more mature than the ones today..

and like someone up there said: do you know the real reason? or you rather gloss over the fact and just accept what you want to accept?

mrssazali

Originally posted by samyvellu at 7-4-2008 09:57 PM


This is what muslims will do if cant accept the FACTS.
I will explain on the meaning later.

Back to the topic,a 55 year old man having sex with a 9 year old is sick.
What will happen if  ...

come on la samyyyyy....in india perkahwinan kanak2 mmg wujud sehingga hari ini...mengapa soal itu anda tak bangkitkan....jelas dan nyata.......even in US satu ketika dahulu pernah ada undang2 dimana legal age for marriage is 10 yrs old....caome on laaaaa......open your mind....Ko menumpang dinegara islam kan...mencari rezeki di negara islam kan......tak yah la main propaganda..Kami lebih kenal islam dr kamu.....

Kalo mau bincang secara ilmiah harus lah kena soalannya...persoalan mni dah lama wujud. and ramai ulamak islam telah beri penjelasn yg terperinci.......x perlu di ulang tayang...isu lapukkk niii

[ Last edited by  mrssazali at 7-4-2008 10:38 PM ]

rayna_raynes

sebab dia cuma nak terima dan makan apa yang dia rasa nak terima.

well mr samy, if you like scandals, go ahead and publish this somewhere.. see how other people responded to it..

mrssazali

kamu nak bandingkan zaman 1400 dahulu dgn sekrg mana sama....EVEN in Arizona US satu puak p kristian mengamalkan poligami melampau...kanak2 yg cukup umur diambil sbg is3. Malah seorg lelaki boleh mempunyai lebih dari 10 is3.....Kanak2 dalam puak ni melahirkan anak dlam usia semuda 12thn...so apa komen u on this

CERITA YG KAMU UTARAKAN BELAKU 1400 THN DAHULU...bagaimana pula situasi diatas yg berlaku pada zaman milenium ni......Ini bkn sekadar cite kosong ya....

[ Last edited by  mrssazali at 7-4-2008 11:03 PM ]

ussopp

think la...

this argument is lame.....

ussopp

think la...

this argument is lame.....

mrssazali

waaa sembab kembalikan page oooooiiii

bzzts

why u so jealous ah?

Nazrulism

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