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MERGE DONE...........
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Iklan kt porem pun dah keluar .klau sapa2 tgk bole bagi review.x sure nak tgk ke tak sbb sakit hati... musical. |
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Movie Joker belum tayang dekat pawagam, tayang mulai 3 Oct depan...
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review kat google,rotten tomatoes hauss ye.ini pulak satu komen kat X
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Lepas tengok movie ni...
Memang macam tak banyak peminat movie ni... Sikit je yang tengok movie ni masa Iols dekat pawagam...
Banyak bad review pasal movie ni, so Iols pikir maybe movie teruk sangat... So memang Iols bawa low expectation first... dan setelah Iols tengok sebetulnye movie ni takde lah teruk sangat...
Sebelum tengok, Iols worry tengok Joker2 maybe rasa macam tengok music album dekat pawagam... macam theyols buat beberapa lagu dahulu... lalu baru fill the gap between song with story to connect one to other song... Biasanye filem musical macam ni punye lagu lagu best giler but story hauk...but Iols wrong, Joker tak seteruk itu...cerita Joker ni tak seteruk macam yang Iols sangkakan... story kemas but memang slow paced...maybe story pasal psikologi memang tak ramai peminat...
Lagu tak teruk...juga tak best...but Iols rasa beberapa lagu terlalu bright je untuk filem ni... Ade satu lagu dalam filem ni yang Iols rasa best sikit adelah lagu bertajuk "The Joker" dekat movie dinyanyikan Joker but ade versi Lady Gaga dekat youtube...
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maybe Iols sikit tambah pasal sub-titlle dari joker2 "Folie à deux" maybe bermanfaat bagi sesiapa yang masi minat nak tengok Joker 2...
Folie à deux (French for 'madness of two'), also known as shared psychosis or shared delusional disorder (SDD), is a psychiatric syndrome in which symptoms of a delusional belief are "transmitted" from one individual to another...
The disorder, first conceptualized in 19th century French psychiatry by Charles Lasègue and Jules Falret, is also known as Lasègue–Falret syndrome... Recent psychiatric classifications refer to the syndrome as shared psychotic disorder (DSM-4 – 297.3) and induced delusional disorder (ICD-10 – F24), although the research literature largely uses the original name. The same syndrome shared by more than two people may be called folie à trois ('three') or quatre ('four'); and further, folie en famille ('family madness') or even folie à plusieurs ('madness of several')...
This disorder is not in the current, fifth edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), which considers the criteria to be insufficient or inadequate... DSM-5 does not consider Shared Psychotic Disorder (folie à deux) as a separate entity; rather, the physician should classify it as "Delusional Disorder" or in the "Other Specified Schizophrenia Spectrum and Other Psychotic Disorder" category... |
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amandel replied at 7-10-2024 12:09 AM
maybe Iols sikit tambah pasal sub-titlle dari joker2 "Folie à deux" maybe bermanfaat bagi sesiapa ...
Good information !
Surprised jugak why Joker 2 concept musical
Tapikan if tengok Joker 1, cerita dia pon more on psychological drama, thriller. Very slow pace and it's not an action movie.
For this Joker 2, reading based on some positive reviews, which might bring to another point of view, this story is focus on the character Arthur Fleck, his tragic life background.
The director, writers decided to convey Arthur shift of persona to Joker using musical background.
And it has never been said, this is Joker fm any Batman movies.
Hence, the story wants us to analyse a character with mental issues turns psychopath (Joker)
Not everyone cup of tea, thou
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Yeah... very well said... Iols agree, movie ni invited us to analyse a character with mental issues turns psychopath (Joker)...
Maybe Iols nak sikit cerite... dulu Iols ade kawan yang senang self diagnose bile dia sedang sakit, padahal deols ni takde background medik... Deols ni pi ke dokter just to confirm his self diagniose je... Deols macam tak percaya dokter je... Jika dokter cakap benda yang berbeza dengan yang deols diagnose, deols cari dokter lain sampai jumpa doctor yang cakap benda yang sama dengan yang deols cakap... Pernah sekali deols sakit, dan docter cakap deols harus dapat dioperasi (surgery)... But Deols cakap deols sakit ringan je, tak perlulah operasi... so deols cari dokter lain sampai jumpa dokter yang cakap deols tak perlu operasi... Iols rasa jika semua docter cakap benda yang berbeza dengan yang deols cakap, maybe deols insist dengan his self diagnose... but deols jumpa dokter yang deols cari tu, Deols jumpa dokter yang cakap deols tak perlu dapat surgery dan hanya minum obat je... Dan deols sembuh, sehat je sampai sekarang...
Iols tak tahu deols sehat sebab obat tu, sebab sugestion or sebab nasib baik je... Iols senang deols sehat sampai sekarang, but Iols sikit kontra dengan cara deols berpikir je... Iols tak senang tengok deols self diagnose jika sedang sakit coz deols takde background medik and Iols worry his diagnose wrong... Iols tak kisah deols pi dekat banyak dokter... but Jika nak pi cari docter lain... carilah better dokter or pi dekat hospital yang lagi baik, bukan semata cari dokter yang cakap sama dengan yang deols diagnose... Macam confirmation bias je...
Late ai know, Deols ni bersikap macam tu coz his parent pernah dapat medical malpractice yang menjadi sebab parent deols mengalami physical disability yang teruk...
Iols masih punye pendapat yang same self diagnoze ni merupakan benda yang tak baik... but kejadian kawan Iols ni membuka minda Iols bahawa we cannot truly understand a person's actions or decisions until we know their life history... Iols understand self diagnose di benda tak baik, but Iols can't really understand bagaimana rasanye jika my parent dapat medical malpractice... So Iols rasa understanding memang lagi susah dari judging...
Iols rasa filem Joker2 ni memang lebih kurang gave me same experience...
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Joker 1 aku tengok. Bagi aku filem 1 biasa2 ja. Tapi yg bawa watak joker 1 tu mmg bagus lakonan dia. Joker 2 dirosakkn dgn musical. Ramai gila kutuk. Filem ala2 superhero di bawa dgn muzikal. Rosak lah. Loh superhero ke joker ni  |
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movie Joker invited us to understand Arthur with his mental issues yang akhirnya membuat Deols menjadi seorang pembunuh yang begitu keji...
Masa jadi Joker, Arthur memang keji... deols bunuh banyak orang dekat first movie... Deols bunuh pekerja wallstreet yang sedang menggoda gadis dekat train... deols bunuh ibu deols, penny fleck... deols bunuh rekan kerja deols, Randall... deols bunuh dua detective, Burke dan Garrity... deols bunuh Murray Franklin dekat live tv... dan deols implicitly bunuh his pskiater juga dekat ending first movie...
Dekat first movie diceritakan Arthur awalnye bukanlah seorang pembunuh seperti masa ni... Arthur Fleck merupakan seorang pelawak yang suka menghiburkan dan membawa kebahagiaan kepada orang lain dan juga seorang anak yang taat kepada ibu... Penghinaan dan layanan yang kasar menyebabkan dia berubah secara drastik, menjadi seorang yang kejam dan tanpa belas kasihan...
Arthur memang punye banyak mental Issue...slah satunya skizofrenia... deols ni kesulitan untuk membedakan mana kehidupan nyata dan mana yang tidak... macam delusi... Deols mengalami perubahan kepribadian dan perilaku pada masa delusi / masa hilang kontak dengan alam nyata, yang disebut fase psikotik... Dekat masa inilah deols berubah menjadi joker...
Dan tak hanya itu je... ade lagi masalah mental iaitu keinginan untuk menangis dan ketawa secara tiba-tiba atau yang sering dipanggil Pathological Laughter and Crying (PLC)... Benda ni bukan kerana perubahan mood, but kerana masalah dengan sistem saraf... Keadaan kesehatan macam ni ini juga sering dipanggil pseudobulbar affect atau emosi labil...
Raut muka mereka yang menghidap PLC kadangkala tidak sepadan dengan keadaan emosi yang mereka tunjukkan atau dilihat oleh orang lain... Adelah masa Joker sangat sedih but tertawa terbahak bahak di tengah hujan... Biasanya, penghidap diberikan antidepresan atau penstabil mood untuk mengawal emosi mereka yang ingin ketawa atau menangis... Ade babak Arthur diberi ubat ni juga di prison dekat filem... Iols jadi teringat pil Hijau dekat siris Queen Gambit juga... Ubat yang di minum Beth Harmon dari masa di panti asuhan sampai deols dewasa... mungkin ubat ni tak sama lah tapi maybe kegunaan sebagai mood stabilizer juga...
Diclaimer sikit... Iols takde background medik, Iols googling pasal benda ni untuk lagi mengenal karakter dekat movie Joker... So maybe ade slah2 interpret juga... So feel free je bila nak correct my comment...
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Iols rasa bukan sahaja sebab muzikal... Second movie ni macam terlalu lambat released, so macam lost it's momentum je... Macam nasi dah dingin, tak banyak yang nak makan... 2 or 3 tahun setelah first movie maybe still ok je... jika dah 5 tahun, weols demand more than this qulity and story... Itu pendapatat Iols...
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But at least, masih ada sisi positif yang still relevan lah...
Movie ni ajak weols juga belajar to understand people not only judging... Meskipun Weols tak punya mental issue yang teruk macam Arthur, Weols still relate dengan story ni coz we feel frustate juga jika people tak understand us... Bukan sebab Theyols tak bisa understand but coz tak mahu je... Macam tengok babak Interview Arthur, The interviewer pretended to want to understand the Arthur even though in fact he didn't care and just wanted to judge what the Arthur did...
Dalam dunia persekitaran juga macam tu... tak payah cakap how to understand why somebody kill peoples... To understand why people not get a job yet, still singgle , and get divorce pun, orang tak paham... bukan sebab tak bisa but sebab tak mahu je... Pretended want to understand even though in fact didn't care and just wanted to judge...
After watching this movie, There is a feeling of wanting to learn to understand people instead of judging them... learn to understand others as we want to be understood by others... maybe this is what joker movies are made for...
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Post time 26-10-2024 10:52 PM
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Joker arahan Todd Philips, comes out as a standalone movie...lain dari movie Batman of lain...
As pointed out & analyse u all yg paham...
Yang tak boleh paham, takpelah nanti tunggu Batman verse movie 2 Robert Pattinson, tuh should be all action lah if under Matt Reeves...
And peminat DC, now also nonton series Penguin at HBO |
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Post time 26-10-2024 10:56 PM
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amandel replied at 26-10-2024 08:18 PM
movie Joker invited us to understand Arthur with his mental issues yang akhirnya membuat Deols menja ...
Thanks sharing...
Remind of zaman skrang, contoh ada lah some ppl yg suka self diagnosed ,etc...
It's hard to say, unless really go for a certified doctor
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