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Ki ki , my english is sux , no doubt , but at least I am eager to learn and to ask. In malay "malu bertanya sesat jalan" |
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Originally posted by nightlord at 30-5-2005 03:25 PM:
GREEKY you are still debating this one plus one thingy again lol
Havent you learn you lesson yet.
Hopefully! But, at least you still cannot make any point out of it yet.
Why did Jesus receive blessing from Father, all the while both are gods? |
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There are more than one "blessing" incidents in the Bible. Which incident are you referring to?
I need to know exactly which event of blessing that you are referring to.. and i'll tell you why that blessing is needed, and what is indicated in that blessing incident.
I do not want to give a general answer, in case you should say.. Noo.. that's not what I'm asking about.. and so say that I'm answering out of context.
Thank you. |
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Well Greeky maybe i should give you one more try.
This is the simplest analogy i can think of to explain the trinity.
Imagine 3 cups of water, all the cups are made differently, some smaller some bigger.
Then pour all of the water into one container.
Initially, through your visual perception, you see three distinct representations of water some lesser some larger.
When you pour them together, they become one, indivisible, impossible to tell apart.
That is what Jesus, God the Father and the Holy Spirit are.
They are represented by three distinct forms, presented to mankind but if you were to put them together in the spiritual sense, they are one and the same.
Get it?
[ Last edited by nightlord on 1-6-2005 at 12:06 AM ] |
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GreekGod : 1+1=2
or GreekGod 1+1=1
GreekGod.. you are adamant that 1+1 = 2 from a mathematical standpoint...
ok.. so consider the following:
You are a person... one person... an absolute one person... One.. not two... not half plus half...
What happens should you die today? You will be buried in the ground.. yet at the same time, you will be in heaven or hell....
does you say that HALF of YOU is buried in the ground and HALF of YOU go to heaven/hell? NO.. you are buried in the ground as a WHOLE person... yet at the same time.. you go to heaven as a WHOLE person...
So, you are not half of you in heaven/hell and half of you in the ground... so why do you say that only 1/3 of God is Jesus?
or in the same way... if you are buried in the ground as ONE person, and go to heaven/hell as ONE person... why would you say that there are only ONE Greekgod and not two Greekgods? |
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Can I make conclusion , for ur god to exist , he also like us need body , soul and etc. |
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no aktivis.. the issue here is mathematical formulas... i'm talking about body and spirit to demonstrate that GreekGod's mathematical formula does not apply. ie, One plus One can still equal ONE in this case.
nothing about God needing body to exist.. God is a Spirit.. He doesn't need a body to exist,.. but that doesn't mean that He can't have a body if He wants to. |
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""He doesn't need a body to exist"" but ur prev statement sort like saying God MUST NEED human body for exist in order to do sacrifice for Human. This is so call due to lack of capabilty of God to sacrifice for human in his natural shape. |
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God took the form of a human (ie, fleshly body) so that MAN can see Him coming for us and die for us. If God didn't come down as a man.. if He came down as a Spirit.. man is not able to see Him... if God chose to come down and die in a Spirit nature.. then resurrected as a Spirit nature.. man would not be able to see and man would not know... as the Spirit is intangible and invisible to our eyes. Kalau dia datang pun (dalam Spirit tanpa body) kita takkan nampak...
It's not God who needs a body to live or to come down to earth.. it's MAN who have limitation in seeeing.. ie, it is MAN who needed God to live and die in a body in order to see Him,.... |
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God needs human body for exist in order to do sacrifice FOR HUMAN... the reason is NOT because God cannot sacrifice in a Spirit form. He can do that if He wanted to... but if He did that... if He died and resurrected in Spirit form, how would human know that He died and resurrected since they cannot see? |
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make it easier laaa , can I say u r saying God can't show his sacrifice proof to human with his natural form or shape. No explaination needed , just yes or no. |
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if i only say yes or no, and you're going to distort my words and put additional words into my mouth. i'm not that dumb. |
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Originally posted by sparrow at 1-6-2005 03:26 PM:
if i only say yes or no, and you're going to distort my words and put additional words into my mouth. i'm not that dumb.
Waaah now u r accusing me as a ppl who like to distort fact . Duh , it hurt me. Sob Sob :cry:.
And i more thing , why must be afraid if u think u r right. |
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apologies if i've offended you... i'm not accusing.. i'm just stating the circumstances just the way it is...
you want proof? there you are.. putting words into my mouth again... by saying that i'm afraid... ![](static/image/smiley/default/smile.gif)
it's not that i'm afraid... if i am afraid, i won't be here posting all these...
look, whenever you put words into my mouth, i usually have to do another longggggggggggggg explanation.. or maybe one or two or three more longgggggggggggggg explanations in order to clarify... and prolly repeating it three or four times before you get the message...
i might as well explain it now and save time in not having to repeating my messages round and round later... |
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If u study my question , normally I am hoping for short awnser or explaination. This is how they done in court (I watch in tv). Unless someone want a report.
Anyhow dun worry , eventhough I hate long article , but I am speed reader. I can go thru 1 whole book within half day.
So now either if you want to anwser or not , it up to u. But I beleive as I mention before I can make conclusion base on the thread. |
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Aktivis aktivis... i don't mind answering questions as long as they are legitimate questions, that are worth answering...
But if you are expecting me to give a one-word reply and leave room for your (or other people's) interpretaton or misintepretation.. then i'm sorry.. i've learnt enough from this forum not to do just that...
whatever that is worth replying, i will reply.. it's up to the reader whether they want to read and understand them or not...
ok.. let's get on with the subject.... |
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misinterpretation? Duh life is binary , either 1 or 0 , either yes or no , either positive or negative , either go or no go. So every anwser for a question is also binary. |
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