programming / solution / IT architect (merged - by kupu2siang & aisirie99)

kupu2siang · Post time 26-7-2007 01:44 AM

sape2 yg terer programming tu meh laa share2 ilmu..aku lemah ar bab2 coding ni..huuh..

[ Last edited by shahnazz at 7-8-2007 02:12 PM ]

scidbu · Post time 26-7-2007 08:49 AM

huhu..x dapek den nk nolong..paper programming pon fail..

kupu2siang · Post time 26-7-2007 10:53 AM

ko bljor progrmming kat ne?

haisanor · Post time 26-7-2007 08:59 PM

programming ape? C++ tau la.

stingbeh · Post time 26-7-2007 10:40 PM

untuk belajar programming

fahami kegunaan sintax bukan hafal aje....

padlie · Post time 26-7-2007 11:46 PM

nak share ilmu apa?
aku pun newbie lagi dalam programming.. baru 7 tahun..
jom sama-sama belajar...

slier81 · Post time 27-7-2007 12:58 AM

nak share apa nyer?ko pun x bagi spesific soklan pun....
mcm stingbeh cakap la..kena paham function2 dan etc...bukan menghafal..
jgn dok sibut nak belajar mcm2 programming language...blajar satu lang dan bagi mahir...programming ni x sesuah pun..cuma serabai la skit...

ko tengok semua programming lang akan menggunakan logic yg sama...
ko pergi la tengok c++ mesti ada if..else..tengok kat vb pun ada if...else...tengok python pun sama gak...

so yg penting ko kena paham programming logic jer...klu dah paham senang jer..

klu nak jadi expert kena mahirkan diri ngan oop..nanti ko leh dpt gaji riban2..

kupu2siang · Post time 27-7-2007 03:19 PM

aku x bljr c++..aku gne java..

i212 · Post time 28-7-2007 10:24 AM

java ngan c++ nak lebih kurang sama je..
skarang nih... vb2005 dah nak ikut java lak...

aku sokong slier81... Programming nih kita kena faham logic plus konsep aliran programming.

programming nih banyak main dengan logic thinking. Dah ada logic, senang cari solution untuk sesuatu aturcara.

mygirlz · Post time 30-7-2007 04:06 PM

sebenarnya programming ni adalah dari diri sendiri nya inisiatif sebenarnya..
kene paham pseudocode...lepas tu pahamkanlogik ....bila da paham dedua bahagian ni...tak kisah la guna apa language pun... sure boleh punya.. tapi untuk menjadi programmer yang berpengalaman...kene la selalu wat programming...baru nampak error itu ini...dari situ la belajar membaiki kesilapan... anyway lau ada masalah jangan segan bertanya....sure bebudak kat sini tlg punya....

orang_letrik · Post time 30-7-2007 05:07 PM

nak tanya...

apa beza programmer dengan software engineer dari konteks masyrakat Malaysia?

aku cuma nak tau...

stingbeh · Post time 30-7-2007 05:49 PM

programmer tahap kelulusan diploma
software engineer tahap kelulusan degree

padlie · Post time 30-7-2007 06:36 PM

aku programmer gak ...

orang_letrik · Post time 30-7-2007 06:57 PM

tapi adakah bidang kerja sama ataupun berlainan?

kupu2siang · Post time 30-7-2007 08:11 PM

Originally posted by padlie at 30-7-2007 06:36 PM
aku programmer gak ...

programmer kat ne tu??

kupu2siang · Post time 30-7-2007 08:20 PM

mode..aku bkk thread ni x dpt kedit lebeh ke ehhh??

aisirie99 · Post time 31-7-2007 12:23 AM

Sekadar ingin mendengar apa yg you all had in mind on siapa mrk ni? what they do? what skills to acquire?

P/S :Shahnazz, am i submitting the right topic here on? I'm thinking of extending the programming world into some architectural view - the way we develop/code..with Services Oriented Architecture (SOA) concensus.

IF not, Pls DELETE terus this ...buat semak jer. hehe.

Cheers

shahnazz · Post time 31-7-2007 06:25 PM

Good topic. Software design and development is analogous to your everyday building construction (bangunan).

Kita buat analogi sikit. Let's consider that you want to build a home, a house (bungalow ke, semi-de ke, etc...), the steps are as follows:

1. You envision the design of your house to the architect
2. The architect designs the house, plans the layout which is up to your specifications. You and the architect meet, discuss and finally approve the design for construction.
3. Architect then calls for contractors and developers to build your dream home. Contractors and developers follow to the letter your building specification as laid out in your architectural plan.
4. Once the building is complete, you come over to inspect it. Cracks, leaks, apa-apa yang tak kena, architect akan panggil balik contractors and developers to fix.
5. Once your house is done, it is handed to you.

Now, on a software point of view, you want to build a home page, but you don't know programming, so you do the following:

1. You envision your web page design to a systems architect.
2. The architect will capture your requirements and translate them into technical requirements (use cases, sequence diagrams, flowchart, prototype / mockup etc) for your review. You meet, discuss and eventually agree on the architect's design.
3. Then software developers are called upon ( mostly contract staff, hehe

) to do the coding of your webpage, based on the technical specifications from the software architect.
4. Your webpage has been developed, it is for you to test to see if there are any errors. Any errors should be fixed or remedied by the developers.
5. Once the web page is done, it is handed to you (deployed etc).

So based on this analogy and example, what do you think that the system/software architect's skills are? Here are some examples:
1. Understanding in UML or RUP
2. Business Process Analysis
3. Object-oriented methodologies
... dan banyak lagi

Ni my 2 cents la...

skycrew · Post time 31-7-2007 09:53 PM

huhu...subject aku tengah blaja ni

aisirie99 · Post time 1-8-2007 01:48 AM

Yeah...I'm agreed with you, definately. This is a very good and clear explanation. Also i like much to hear the keywords such as translate, business process, methodology ( i guess this is
technology) etc. Basically, this is how we see an IT Architect roles.
We can discuss a lot more. Believe that there are more to explore. Happy to hear from you.

Hehe..rasa2 nya kalu bincang more depth ,mmg x habis. but, it'll be more exciting as we endure further.

Cheers