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Reply #210 mbhcsf's post
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I am sorry but could you please write in a more intelligible way. A bit hard to understand. |
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Reply #221 Agul's post
aik? ade org gaduh ker?   |
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saya sbenarnya meneka bahwa api neraka berwarna hitam adalah kerana tarikan graviti neraka adalah sangat kuat sehingga cahaya tak leh keluar.....
sebab tu saya kata ia somehow sama seperti black hole....
dan aku nak tanya pendapat org disini mengenai hal ini..... |
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saya sbenarnya meneka bahwa api neraka berwarna hitam adalah kerana tarikan graviti neraka adalah sangat kuat sehingga cahaya tak leh keluar.....
sebab tu saya kata ia somehow sama seperti black hole....
dan aku nak tanya pendapat org disini mengenai hal ini..... |
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Reply #225 ussopp's post
ooo... hehehe.. ingatkan pemende r kowang borak dr td...
Erm... nk komen.. klu nk compare features of nerakan n black hole, kene define mne event horizon die... In this case, only people out of the event horizon akan nmpk bende tu hitam, org dalam tu pulak, no one knows. But as far as we concerned, mass breaks up into subatomic particle, or even smaller within the event horizon...
In this case, the thing that is black is the fire. Dan the hadith doesnt mention to whose respect is the fire black. If it is with respect to some body in padang mahsyar or in dunia, then we accept that the hell might be a black hole. However, if the fire is black with respect to humans inside the hell itself, I think we just cant comment more on the nature of the hell.
Now aku nk point out persoalan yg perlu dipertimbangkan.
1: Adakah api itu di dalam neraka, atau adakah neraka itu api?
kalau neraka itu api, then the hell might be a black hole.
kalau neraka itu menyimpan api hitam, i cant say more. but i think if this is the case, hell isn't probably a black hole...
Mungkin kite boleh cari lagi hadith yg bercerita tentang nerakan yg boleh menjawab persoalan di atas...
mcm merapu jer aku ni... |
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Reply #221 Agul's post
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which bit and it's for Hami... so u could a sk her for clarification. Which part ? |
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Reply #228 aku_EnSeM's post
if a mass could be "broken down" into its smaller sub atomic particle, then i would say that black hole is pretty much acts like an energy / mass crunching - machine, won't it?
it breaks down the particles meaning, in a sense it gives out energy lah kan? energy releasing entity as any mass would be having the sam fate as when they go near it?
u reckon?
it can surely absorb light, kan? |
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Reply #228 aku_EnSeM's post
u got apoint u see...but is it logicakl to equate "neraka" and u know "black Hole "
apa macam Ussop?
dan as we know neraka itu ada degree / tingkat so .....u see it 's rather complicated tak eh?
i am actually really wondering yg what lies beyond the black hole...
and of course another new thing coming thru my mind
what about this so called " worm hole" ni - from what i gather it is just like a "doorway" to another dimension so..could a black hole being proposed as having the "same" function as the worm hole? |
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Reply #225 ussopp's post
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which part of Quan and hadith would clarify that neraka is having " tarikan graviti yg kuat tu? " ...ni yg i a bit hmm...sceptic ...so any back ups on this Ussop? |
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Reply #232 mbhcsf's post
aha.. no part in The Quran and hadith says that. I think usopp concludes that hell has strong gravitational force due to the black colour of its flame.  |
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Originally posted by aku_EnSeM at 13-6-2008 05:19 PM 
aha... but the thing that releases the energy is the particles themselves, and this energy, in the form of photon will also be attracted into black hole.. So no energy or mass are released fr ...
u meantioned that if a hell is being tagged as the "black hole" then ,and as it will eventually die down then it can't be as what has stated in the Koran kan the heaven and hell are the permanent Form of "life" i.e hereafter?
but i have forgotten the source of / the raw material of thsi black hole a gaint star needs to be weighted with certain mass in order to be the next black hole should it died down... |
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Originally posted by aku_EnSeM at 13-6-2008 05:23 PM
aha.. no part in The Quran and hadith says that. I think usopp concludes that hell has strong gravitational force due to the black colour of its flame.
the flame has no colour simply becoz the black hole itself is a light absorbing celestial entity, kan? |
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Reply #236 mbhcsf's post
aha... now it comes back to my previous question. If the flame is black because photons that are emitted from the flame is attracted to somewhere, then the flame is in the black hole. this would then imply something CAN exist beneath the event horizon, and this is something to think about, because as far as we concerned, matter tears apart after leaving the event horizon..
This is, however, based on our current understanding on the black hole.
However, since the universe beyond the event horizon is completely different from ours, physical laws, and perhaps common sense might not apply here. So if hell is indeed a black hole, there must be some mechanisms or new laws that prevent matter to tear apart beyond the event horizon.
[ Last edited by aku_EnSeM at 13-6-2008 05:38 PM ] |
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Originally posted by aku_EnSeM at 13-6-2008 04:39 PM
ooo... hehehe.. ingatkan pemende r kowang borak dr td...
Erm... nk komen.. klu nk compare features of nerakan n black hole, kene define mne event horizon die... In this case, only people o ...
haha.....
aku pun tatau hitam tu perspektif org luar neraka ke dalam..... |
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Category: Belia & Informasi
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Post time 13-6-2008 04:00 PM
Post time 13-6-2008 04:09 PM
