unekspekted Publish time 2-11-2010 01:07 PM

Reply 120# alphawolf

obviously.. ape yg ko bace... bukan ape yg aku bace.. and bukan dri wikipedia for sure..

some excerpt..:


http://blogofsorts.wordpress.com/

bace slow2..

details is somewhere in my library.. but, for certain.. this story was available in Singapore's Source.. korang bleh belek sendiri if you incorporate 'singapore' name at end of your search...

regards,
rockstar

alphawolf Publish time 2-11-2010 01:13 PM

Ok aku ada jumpa benda yang sama mcm lu cakap kat website Singapore Library.....I'll give you plus points for that. Anyway, wa tak pakai wiki aaa....wa pakai buku Sinister Twilight dengan dan juga salah sorang anggota Batalion Pertama Malay Regiment, iaitu arwah tok sedara aku....

BTW ko pun quote blog...ada hati kutuk orang pakai wiki....

CahayaAina Publish time 2-11-2010 02:11 PM

sekali letop trus lenyap woo

unekspekted Publish time 2-11-2010 02:36 PM

Reply 122# alphawolf

dan juga salah sorang anggota Batalion Pertama Malay Regiment, iaitu arwah tok sedara aku....

the fact it still debatable... sebab.. takde org bleh buktikan 'atok sedara' ko is the 1st Batallion Malay Regiment :


Even if true... Meaning jugak.. "atok sedare" ko seBatallion dgn Lft. Adnan Saidi.. at Pasir Panjang Ridge.. rite??


Katakan laa.. umur ko 30 tahun.. - "Atok sedare" mase masuk army.. tahun 1932 (1st regiment formed on 1932) umur dia 18.. 'atuk sedara' ko mase perang ni.. 1942.. berumur 30 jugak.. pada tahun 1970 - dia dah berumur 60 tahun...


tambah 15 tahun nak tunggu ko matang.. umur dia 75 tahun... ; then baru ko dengar 'cerita' ni..


rite??


anyway... that 1 Gun yg cume menembak kelaut is known as "Johor Battery".. ; yg Sultan Ibrahim bagi British.. but, could not point to his territory... NOT other gun.. even it was written in the plaque installed in that area utk lawatan pelancong...

zaharul_asriq94 Publish time 2-11-2010 04:26 PM

takut BRTISH SALAH guna meriam ni wat pemberontakan, nanti kene bedil istana

alphawolf Publish time 2-11-2010 04:40 PM

Sori aku silap, atuk sedara aku 2nd Battalion...bukan 1st....dia dok belah Changi sementara 1st battalion duduk Pasir panjang...Second battalion formed 1941, just before perang bermula...dia antara 88000 POW yang kena cekup lepas Percival surrender dan kena hantar pergi Death Railway....Aku mungkin silap batalion dia tapi aku tak silap pasal diri orangnya!! Ko ingat aku reka2 manusia bernama Leftenan (retired Kapten) Bulat bin Ibrahim?

Aku rasa ko ni ada SERIOUS attitude problem..cara ko pertikai seolah masa aku dengar cerita arwahnya, dia dah nyanyuk...ingat2 lupa gitu? Jadi takleh pakai cerita dia? Cuma benda yang boleh pakai kat sini ialah blog2 atau website2 aje?

BTW nama je dok ceduk blog sana sini...basis penggunaan 'battery' pun ko tak paham. Battery ialah sekumpulan meriam...bukan sepucuk aje. Jadi 'Johor Battery' tu 3 pucuk meriam kat Changi tu...satu lagi cuba ko explain, dari carian aku, katanya British guna 400k pound sterling hadiah Sultan untuk dua daripada 3 meriam kat Johor Battery. Tapi apasal pulak Sultan tak kasi 1 aje meriam hala ke Johor?

unekspekted Publish time 2-11-2010 04:54 PM

Aku rasa ko ni ada SERIOUS attitude problem...

ayat typical bile dah buntu.. biase dah dengar..

anyway..

pasal kenape 2 meriam boleh hala - then 1 je tak boleh.. hala = itu keputusan tuan punye badan yang menderma.... as recorded in history..

sebab nyer.. cume dia tau = and.. British tak boleh buat ape2 atas permintaan tuan punye meriam itu walaupun nyawa dan keselamatan dorang terancam sebab restriction itewww

kalau nak relate pulak kes2 yg serupa lain : kenapa British compromise titah Sultan walapun Singapore Jatuh.. ade beberape lagi contoh :

- Menara Bangunan Sultan Ibrahim.. tempat Jepun letak anticraft = tidak di bom Jepum sampai runtuh..
- Istana Bukit Serene.... tempat General Yamashita conduct his military instruction.. BETUL2 kat menara yg tinggi dalam Istana tu.. overlook Singapore = tidak berani di bom British..

kalau dengan membunuh General Yamashita boleh hentikan perang = kenape British tak bom je Istana Bukit Serene tempat dia duduk tu???

itu "General" besar Jepun.. ini kan pulak sepucuk meriam = pun British tak berani ambil tindakan pusingkan 360 darjah..

kenape?? kenape???

batman_2007 Publish time 2-11-2010 11:59 PM

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Reply 17# abangbikerz

batman_2007 Publish time 3-11-2010 12:04 AM

Reply 116# unekspekted


   apa2 lah..

salimrock Publish time 3-11-2010 11:40 AM

aku pun muskil gak, dia kata pjg laras dia 500 meter, ala ko tgk jer la org lari 100 meter tu..kan jauh tu...kira 5 x 100 metre la pjg meriam ni...gila nye pjg...ni buleh tembak ke israel terus ni....

100 meter mgkn aku percaya la,


kalo ada gambar dn bukti tunjukkan la meriam 500 meter tu...

thessailly Publish time 3-11-2010 11:55 AM

Replybillionman78


    dah arahan bodo sultan yg punye pasal.
abangbikerz Post at 30-10-2010 02:28 http://mforum4.cari.com.my/images/common/back.gif

yang ni pun jugak.

zaharul_asriq94 Publish time 3-11-2010 12:13 PM

500 METER jauh tu, dh boleh tembak puncak KLCC kalo besar sngt ni

yarra_river Publish time 3-11-2010 01:23 PM

ayat typical bile dah buntu.. biase dah dengar..

anyway..

pasal kenape 2 meriam boleh ha ...
unekspekted Post at 2-11-2010 16:54 http://mforum.cari.com.my/images/common/back.gif
hehehe kalau pasal istana xkena bom...bukan bukti british/japan respect sultan johor...
cth: bangunan ig farben kat frankfurt pun selamat dari bom walaupun bangunan tu dulu tempat research tentera nazi...
adakah british/u.s.a/russia hormat pada hitler?... x kan...

halimi78 Publish time 3-11-2010 02:56 PM

Description

15" 38 cm diameter Gun shells.. sepanjang 500 meter panjang.. di angkat dengan Hydraulic.. the ammunition was capable of piercing 5mm thick steel from 30 km away..

PLAUSABLE FACT

Ketiga2 Meriam Besar ini hanya boleh pusing 270 Degree - Sebab, Sultan JOhor tak nak meriam ni point out to his territory.. hehee.. Johor area was out of their range... and British tak boleh buat ape atas restriction Sultan Ibrahim..


so.. rasanya uneks ada baiknya perbetulkan facts tu... pastu trskan bincang2..

alphawolf Publish time 3-11-2010 03:27 PM

Tu la sebab suka menulis selaju mungkin.....jarak antara meriam jadi jarak laras meriam....

alphawolf Publish time 3-11-2010 03:32 PM

ayat typical bile dah buntu.. biase dah dengar..

anyway..

pasal kenape 2 meriam boleh ha ...
unekspekted Post at 2-11-2010 16:54 http://mforum3.cari.com.my/images/common/back.gif

Aoh gitu...aku kata kau ada serius attitude problem bila kau secara langsung atau tidak mengatakan yang aku mengada2kan karekter atuk sedara aku semata2 nak menguatkan hujah....

Aku banyak baca post kau...banyak yang intriguing dan banyak juga yang merapu. Gayanya macam kau ni suka dipuja2 terutama bila forumners lain kata 'oh ini sejarah yang tidak pernah diceritakan' 'oh banyaknya ilmu kau' dsb...tapi bila kena sanggah mula la kau kata orang takde idea la takde ilmu la bodoh la itu la ini la.....

halimi78 Publish time 3-11-2010 03:40 PM

At a time when Japanese ambitions were becoming more apparent, the Sultan of Johore donated £500,000 as a Silver Jubilee Gift for King George V in 1935. Of this, £400,000 was used to finance the installation of two of the three 15-inch guns in Bee Hoe. The last of the guns was mounted in 1938. This group of three 15-inch guns and their installations were named the Johore Battery in acknowledgement of the Sultan's contribution.

so.. sultan johor donate utk 1 atau 2?
kalau 2.. nape 1 jek xleh tala ke johor?
kalau 1.. nape kat sini dia state 2 drp 3?

--->source: kat mindef sg...

halimi78 Publish time 3-11-2010 03:47 PM

At a time when Japanese ambitions were becoming more apparent, the Sultan of Johore donated £500,000 as a Silver Jubilee Gift for King George V in 1935. Of this, £400,000 was used to finance the installation of two of the three 15-inch gunsin Bee Hoe. The last of the guns was mounted in 1938. This group of three 15-inch guns and their installations were named the Johore Battery in acknowledgement of the Sultan's contribution.

johor battery merujuk kepada sekumpulan 3 big coastal guns... bkn 1

anyway... that 1 Gun yg cume menembak kelaut is known as "Johor Battery".. ; yg Sultan Ibrahim bagi British.. but, could not point to his territory... NOT other gun.. even it was written in the plaque installed in that area utk lawatan pelancong...
unekspekted Post at 2-11-2010 14:36 images/common/back.gif

alphawolf Publish time 3-11-2010 03:51 PM

Dari aku baca 400k duit Sultan tu beli 2 biji meriam tapi yang 2 biji tu la yang boleh pusing...

Tu yang aku dah tanya dia...jawapan dia "itu keputusan tuan punye badan yang menderma.... as recorded in history..sebab nyer.. cume dia tau"

halimi78 Publish time 3-11-2010 03:57 PM

Reply 136# alphawolf

rasanya kawan ada sedikit bsetuju dgn padangan alpha... part sanggahan fakta..
bkn kawan nak kondem uneks.. tp mmg kawan perasan.. tiap kali ada sanggahan fakta..
uneks susah bebenor nak mengaku silap sdiri... wp jelas ada fakta yg dbawa..
slalu jugak kawan perati, uneks wat x nampak teguran2 dr forumer lain..
bila teguran2 tu menunjukkan ada kesilapan fakta d pihak uneks..

sorry uneks.. kawan bkn nak cari gaduh.. cuma kawan harap, mana yg kurang dperbaiki..
x elok gak slalu merendahkan org lain.. kwn pon x suka gaduh2.. kat mana2 tred pon..
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