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Wajarkah Angkatan Tentera Malaysia Diberikan Peruntukkan Yang Lebih Besar ?

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Post time 26-7-2005 03:14 PM | Show all posts
The way I see it, for a soldier to wear a body armour in our climate as a standard gear seems a little impractical. The weather is enough to dehydrate a soldier. This was the case with US soldiers in Vietnam although they were issued with flak jackets as a standard gear.

Secondly, as Alpha has explained. A body armour is not a sure guarantee of survival when a high powered projectile hits the soldier wearing one. Body armours are usually consist of bullet pearcing resistant materials interwoven over each other to stop projectiles. The micorscopic pores are so small a 9mm bullet can be stopped. However, for a more sharp nose bullets like 5.56 and 7.62 mm, the wearer has a very small chance of survival.

Hence, a final layer is usually added. A kevlar plate to the armour. But, by then its already too heavy.

R6
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Post time 27-7-2005 12:13 PM | Show all posts
Mungkin kah negara dilengkapi helikopter tempur russia spt ini.

















persenjataan russia lebih murah jika dibandingkan dgn blok eropah dan us sendiri...
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Post time 27-7-2005 12:26 PM | Show all posts
hmm... kena ingat, berapa negara yang dah pakai heli ni. kalau banyak negara yang pakai, rega dia akan turun lagi plus rega spares pun murah. kalau sikit negara yang guna, bersedialah untuk berhabis just to make it operational. silap-silap jadi hangar queen.

I'm not too fond with Russian system of spares handling and delivery. dengaq cerita service depa lembaaaabbb.
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Post time 27-7-2005 06:11 PM | Show all posts
Assalamualaikum semuer,

ATM patut di beri peruntukkan yg lebey di samping ELIMINATE penggunaan ORANG TENGAH or AGENT di dlm pembelian senjata.

Ia akan lebey menjimatkan dari segi $$$.

Wsalam
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Post time 28-7-2005 08:00 AM | Show all posts
Tidak semsetinya Rusia = lebih murah. Mungkin zaman dulu tapi bukan sekarang.

Pasal heli tu....silap2 mcm Rooivalk gak...Mi-28 baru nak masuk Russian service. Pasal Erdogan dengan Black Shark tu...lupakan aje la kecuali buat mcm Su-30MKM sebab electronics Erdogan dari Israel (walaupun Turki yang akan guna)
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Post time 28-7-2005 01:58 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by niceghost2005 at 27-7-2005 06:11 PM:
Assalamualaikum semuer,

ATM patut di beri peruntukkan yg lebey di samping ELIMINATE penggunaan ORANG TENGAH or AGENT di dlm pembelian senjata.

Ia akan lebey menjimatkan dari segi $$$.

W ...


In the beginning only the RMAF had the technical capability & know how to do depot level aircraft maintenance... not even MAS had the capability the RMAF had... then ex-servicemen with experience & knowledge started to retire & someone saw the opportunity... thus the creation of such contractors... And with the dasar penswastaan introduced even RMAF assets were given away to support the penswastaan scheme... of course the price is marked up by 20% by the govt to give profit to the contractors but what happens when the quotation before the 20% is already marked up? Yes it is cheaper if the RMAF carries out Depot & Bay Servicings ourselves... but at the same time kena sokong dasar penswastaan negara... the politicians choose dasar penswastaan negara... what can do man??
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Post time 28-7-2005 02:07 PM | Show all posts
I believe larger budget is necessary as the price tag for modern weapons have gone up and the currency has gone to hell... a million ringgit then values more than a million ringgit now... operating costs have gone up too as fuel price has gone up... the salary must go up also as the cost of living has gone up in order not to deter people from joining the armed services & keeping those still serving... money is what makes the world go round & also what keeps a military up to date...
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Post time 2-8-2005 08:12 AM | Show all posts
ok tak......
NSVT-12.7 s


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Post time 3-8-2005 09:31 AM | Show all posts
[quote]Originally posted by niceghost2005 at 27-7-2005 06:11 PM:
Assalamualaikum semuer,

ATM patut di beri peruntukkan yg lebey di samping ELIMINATE penggunaan ORANG TENGAH or AGENT di dlm pembelian senjata.

Ia akan lebey menjimatkan dari segi $$$.

:ah::setuju:
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Post time 3-8-2005 06:05 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by mat_toro at 28/7/2005 13:58:


In the beginning only the RMAF had the technical capability & know how to do depot level aircraft maintenance... not even MAS had the capability the RMAF had... then ex-servicemen with expe ...


Would you consider the RMAF to maintain all aircraft? Judging from your statement, its the contractor who is marking-up the quotations.

Its odd. The reason that the bulk of the depot level maintenaince was passed to the private sector because RMAF just couldnt retain its technicians and engineers due to stiff competition from the private sector.

If the govt reverts back to the former status, the RMAF doesnt have the manpower to deal with it? What would your solution be?

R6
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Post time 4-8-2005 07:28 AM | Show all posts
kepelbagaian styer
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Post time 4-8-2005 07:52 AM | Show all posts

EO TECHNOLOGY IN SMALL ARM









ADAKAH KITA SUDAH MEMILIKI TEKNOLOGI INI....................
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Post time 4-8-2005 10:08 AM | Show all posts
bangga jugak lihat student2 kita boleh lakukan sebegini...budget utk ni memang patut ditambah...boleh pakai both education and military budget..

http://web.utm.my/bip/index.php? ... id=78&Itemid=85
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Post time 4-8-2005 12:41 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by RainbowSix at 3-8-2005 06:05 PM:
Would you consider the RMAF to maintain all aircraft? Judging from your statement, its the contractor who is marking-up the quotations.

Its odd. The reason that the bulk of the depot level maintenaince was passed to the private sector because RMAF just couldnt retain its technicians and engineers due to stiff competition from the private sector.

If the govt reverts back to the former status, the RMAF doesnt have the manpower to deal with it? What would your solution be?

R6
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Yes. They mark up the prices... they're also allowed to increase it as costs of materials go up every several years... just the same as PLUS increase the tol rate every year... But how much is too much? RM1080 per day for one man for out station jobs? Not inclusive of transport, lodging and messing? Not inclusive of materials used? Thats quite a lot if you ask me... the RMAF technicians rate is RM30 perday (for messing and lodging... transport provided). Itu pun kena keluar duit sendiri dulu... claim kemudian... even whorehouses have a higher rate than that. The reason contractorization was introduced was because the RMAF had manpower shortages. But untill now the problem of manpower keeps getting worse because of, as you said, stiff competition from private sector. Why? Because of better financial security offered and a better future. Anyway theres nothing left to be proud of to stay in the RMAF... you earn peanuts, your equipment is outdated, your weapons are outdated and most of the time non-mission capable, the public perception of the "kantoi SRP" soldiers (which also deters people from joining up)... only the duty to King and country keeps you going... the cons outweigh the pros. So of course without bigger budget we'll never solve the problem of manpower shortage & dependency on the private sector.

With bigger budget we could acquire better equipment and facilities and weapons systems that would bring pride to the men & women working with such high tech hardware. With bigger budget we could provide better salary schemes, better housing, better allowances to give a feeling of financial security & a better future to those still in the service. With bigger budget we can come up with more agressive recruiting campaigns and to educate the public that soldiers are no more "kantoi SRP" type of people to solve the manpower problem. With bigger budget we can provide better training to the servicemen so that one day we'll be like the western military whereby they set the standard that everyone follows(hence the term 'military precision'). Unlike here where we have to ask MAS-Dornier to provide "training" for the new technicians because they have ISO standard and we don't. Guess what... USAF don't have ISO but they have MIL-STD and ISO is based on the MIL-STD. We've been using MIL-STD all this while but due to the stupidity of our wise & intelligent seniors who do not understand (much less listen to their juniors) the value of the MIL-STD we have to downgrade ourselves to use ISO standard just so that we can have a "recognized" certificate. What they should have done was educate the quality of the MIL-STD to the public who've never heard of MIL-STD.

So if we're ever to revert to the former status we'll need a bigger budget that what we're getting now... at least thats what I think...
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Post time 4-8-2005 07:52 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by mat_toro at 28-7-2005 13:58:


In the beginning only the RMAF had the technical capability & know how to do depot level aircraft maintenance... not even MAS had the capability the RMAF had... then ex-servicemen with expe ...


Assalamualaikum Mat_Toro,

Of course.......thats the way to tolong the Pak General yg dah pencen.
Dengan $$$ rakyat.
Politican nih......bukan fikir pasal $$$ rakyat.
Deme ada udang di sebalik mee.

Let me give u a good example CARA PERNIAGAAN di Malaysia.
Satu company buat lori utk ATM.
Lepaih ATM order approx. 2000 biji.........syarikat tu pun tiada jualan lagi.
Then after 2-3 years, ATM order lagi......lori tersebut.
In order to COMPENSATE kerugian syarikat selama 2-3 tahun tersebut, deme UP the price menjadi RM600k sebijik !!!!!

Ini BUKAN nak tolong negara or negara nak tolong private sector.
This is absolutely wrong way to support private sector!

Syarikat yg menceburi bidang ketenteraan perlu MEMAHAMI bahawa market di dalam negara adalah AMAT KECIL.
Ada di antara peralatan yg tidak perlu di buat di dlm negara.
Its just wasting the time n $$$.
Beli on the shelve n assemble .................abis citer.

This people only interested to make $$$.

SOLUTION:
1. ATM for certain sector like maintenance n repair, kena ler buat sendiri. Trained the personnel and with different schemes of salary in order to avoid the brain drain.
2. ATM mesti ler dapat BERDIKARI. (ini akan menjimatkan kos)
3. Spare parts, peralatan mesti lah GOV-to-GOV deal.

Wsalam
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Post time 6-8-2005 01:39 AM | Show all posts
budget latihan mesti kena banyakkan kalau aset hebat hebat sangat tak tahu guna tak guna jugak..
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Post time 11-8-2005 10:36 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by mat_toro at 2005-8-4 12:41:


Yes. They mark up the prices... they're also allowed to increase it as costs of materials go up every several years... just the same as PLUS increase the tol rate every year... But how much is  ...



hehehehe ... mat kalo depa tak nak belaja "lebih" ... yg rogi mereka dan keluarga mereka gakkkk ...... ahak..ahak..ahak .... lol:lol ...

budak2 kita pencen nanti macam biasa laaa tetap jadik derebar teksi & jaga kat umah tokeh2 parasite nihhh .... mintak sedekahh .... nak beli buku sekolah anak pun tak cukup ...




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Post time 24-8-2005 02:28 PM | Show all posts

TOROS and J missiles

kalau pasang kat AMDAC OK gak



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Post time 25-8-2005 12:38 AM | Show all posts
Sorry to say that the MAF is more towards deterant rather than offensive or defensive forces. So who cares so much  about budget since Malaysian independence gained thru political approach rather than skirmishes. Eg. Indonesia. We spend less than 3% for our GDP for military purposes.
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Post time 25-8-2005 08:19 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by pink panther at 25-8-2005 12:38 AM
Sorry to say that the MAF is more towards deterant rather than offensive or defensive forces. So who cares so much  about budget since Malaysian independence gained thru political approach rather t ...


Isk isk isk takkan komer tak BIASA kot dgn MENTALITI pemerintah di Malaysia nih?
Nak berak.........baru nak korek lubang.

Nanti tunggu laaa..........bertabur najis sebab tercirit cirit.
:cak:

"Melayu Mudah Luper"
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