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Anak B40 Dalam Dilemma Bila Ibu Minta RM2,000 Duit Baitulmal Belajar, Bersangkak baik,mungkin adik beradik ramai.....
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Edited by namieamuro at 27-1-2023 03:52 PM
monreyes replied at 27-1-2023 08:39 AM
apa salahnya bagi..tu zakat..nnt ko apply lah PTPTN..muda lagi dah berkira
tp niat apply tu kan utk kegunaan belajar. mak pulak mtk separuh dr tu. salah ler. dh la skrg serba serbi mahal
plg penting, mak die tu tak penah tanggung die pun. spesis hurung anak bersebab je. |
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Ade baca kat fb, confession majikan...staff sume budak2 muda...kesian,baru nk Mula idop,tpi sakan mak pak mintak duit..kdg diri sndrik pon mkn x ckup...bukn berkira...tpi yg wat majikan ni marah..mak pak belanja..ikot napsu,ank2 yg baru nk Mula idop,jadik mangsa..ade tu,sakan beli brg online ank byar..ade yg kena paksa amek loan sbb kakak nk kawen ke ape...sedih plak aku baca..
Bukn la nk kata jgn tlong mak pak tpi dlm hal2 gini x semestinya mak pak sntiasa betul...harap aku x buat mcam ni dekat anak2 aku..takot kat akhirat sok ank aku dok tuntut ape yg aku da amek yg sepatotnya hak depa.. |
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namieamuro replied at 27-1-2023 03:47 PM
tp niat apply tu kan utk kegunaan belajar. mak pulak mtk separuh dr tu. salah ler. dh la skrg serb ...
ntah lah..tapi aku rasa x best baca citer2 camni..skrg tab pun blh dpt free..apply mara loan..dapat duit blanje bulanan....yg dia dpt tu one off pny bantuan je kan ... |
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monreyes replied at 27-1-2023 08:39 AM
apa salahnya bagi..tu zakat..nnt ko apply lah PTPTN..muda lagi dah berkira
Knp nk buat hutang klu mampu gunakn duit yg dpt tu utk belajar |
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per706 replied at 27-1-2023 04:00 PM
Ade baca kat fb, confession majikan...staff sume budak2 muda...kesian,baru nk Mula idop,tpi sakan ma ...
Sama la.. apa yg perlu kita prepare utk x jadi parents yg mcm demikian.. xnk la i jadi teruk cmtu.. tgok sedara mara dh cukup..dikikisnya ank2 punya duit, pastu suruh cari suami kaya.. kesian,, klu jnis petik jari leh dpt yg kaya xpela.. ni spesies org nk pon dh bsyukur sgt.. ada yg nak tup2 kerja opis je gaji sederhana, x bg kawen..adui |
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Acik2 liberal dlm ni mmg didik anak2 masing2 berkira dgn ibu bapa sendiri ke? |
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makita replied at 27-1-2023 11:39 AM
Ada...kawan meols dpt loan mara masa study. Mak mintak duit nak renovet rumah. Patu bila dah kwen, b ...
Dia bg jgk ke kt mak dia? Utk baby tu.. xkn nk tunggu baby tu bsar cepok nenek dia |
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TomyamPuteh replied at 27-1-2023 06:41 PM
Acik2 liberal dlm ni mmg didik anak2 masing2 berkira dgn ibu bapa sendiri ke?
Huh? Klu org Islam,suruh bg duit kt mak ayah ke klu dpt bantuan? |
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Chah21 replied at 27-1-2023 06:36 PM
Knp nk buat hutang klu mampu gunakn duit yg dpt tu utk belajar
RM4K sampai abes semester...mana cukup...kena ambik PTPTN/MARA/JPA nak tampung blanja sampai grad..even aku pernah baca student share duit PTPTN dgn parents sbb family terlampau miskin |
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Maknya pakai duit tuh, tapi lepaih tu sila pulangkan balik yachh.. itu dikira sbg loan utk mak pak jahh.. bknnya voley wat mcm reta sendiri.. melainkan mmg terdesak takde beras kat rumah tapi beras apa yg nilainya sampai 2k? Dan awat voley jadi kilang baby tapi tak reti jaga anak sampaikan sedara yg kena tanggung?
https://muftiwp.gov.my/en/artikel/al-kafi-li-al-fatawi/3231-al-kafi-1171-the-ruling-of-parents-using-the-money-of-their-children
Question:
Assalamualaikum SS Dato’ Seri Mufti. I want to ask a question. What is the ruling for parents using the savings of their children, but they repay the money later? Can SS Dato’ Seri Mufti explain this matter? Thank you.
Answer:
Waalaikumussalam wrt. wbt.
Alhamdulillah, praise and thanks to Allah for the countless blessings He has blessed us all with. Blessings and salutations to the Prophet Muhammad PBUH, his wives, his family, companions and all those that follow his teachings to the day of judgement.
In our daily lives, things are growing more and more challenging, for the usual case is the daily expenses exceed one’s income. Hence, our society is becoming more creative to have a better life. Among the questions asked are regarding the usage of children’s property such as their savings in order to meet the daily expenses. Here, we share the opinions of scholars and their simplified discussion regarding this issue.
Jumhur (majority) of jurists (fuqaha’) in madhab al-Syafi’e, Hanafi and Maliki hold the opinion that a father is impermissible to use or take the property of his children unless if it is a necessity. See Mughni al-Muhtaj (3/446), Hasyiyah Ibn ‘Abidin (4/513), Hasyiyah ad-Dasuqi ‘ala al-Syarh al-Kabir (2/522)
They used a general hadith of the Prophet PBUH where the Prophet PBUH restricts a person from taking another person’s property as he wishes.
فَإِنَّ دِمَاءَكُمْ وَأَمْوَالَكُمْ وَأَعْرَاضَكُمْ بَيْنَكُمْ حَرَامٌ كَحُرْمَةِ يَوْمِكُمْ هَذَا فِي بَلَدِكُمْ هَذَا
"Allah has made your blood, your properties and your honour Sacred to one another (i.e. Muslims) like the sanctity of this day of yours in this month of yours, in this town of yours."
Sunan al-Tirmizi (2159)
Al-Mubarakfuri Rahimahullah said: “Indeed, your blood, properties and honour is sacred and prohibited from being taken from among you on the days of honour which is the day of Arafah (another opinion: Eidul Adha day), and in this town which is in Mecca.” See Tuhfat al-Ahwazi (8/382)
Jurists’ opinion in madhab Hanbali states a father has the absolute right to take the property of his children, whether the child is still young or a grown-up under two conditions:
Does not harm the child and do not take something that is a necessity of the child
Do not take the property of a child to be given to another child of his
See al-Mughni (6/62)
They supported their opinion using the following hadith of the Prophet PBUH:
عَنْ جَابِرِ بْنِ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ رضي الله عنه, أَنَّ رَجُلا قَالَ: يَا رَسُولَ اللَّه, إِنَّ لِي مَالا وَوَلَدًا وَإِنَّ أَبِي يُرِيدُ أَنْ يَجْتَاحَ مَالِي, فَقَالَ رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: أَنْتَ وَمَالُكَ لأَبِيكَ
"O Messenger of Allah, I have wealth and a son, and my father wants to take all my wealth." He said: "You and your wealth belong to your father."
Sunan Ibn Majah (2291)
Regarding the above hadith, after citing the opinions of scholars such as ad-Daruqutni, Ibn Qattan and al-Munziri Rahimahumullah, al-Hafiz Ibn Hajar al-‘Asqalani Rahimahullah commented: “The combination from the chain of narrators for this hadith does not weaken it and it is permissible to be used as evidence to support an argument.” See Fath al-Bari Syarh Sahih Bukhari (5/211)
Al-Hafiz al-Suyuti Rahimahullah said: “This hadith’s sanad is sahih, the narrators are thiqah (trustworthy) according to the conditions set by Imam al-Bukhari and have syahid (another chain of narrators with the same text) from the narration of ‘Aisyah RA.” See Misbah az-Zujajah fi Zawaid Ibn Majah (3/37)
The scholars have differing opinions on whether it is permissible for a mother to use her children’s property if there is a necessity for it and if she is included in the hadith: “أَنْتَ وَمَالُكَ لأَبِيكَ”
Some scholars state that the mother is not included as what the hadith meant. Ibn Qudamah al-Maqdisi Rahimahullah said: “It is impermissible except for the father to take the property of his child without asking permission from the child. The reason is, the hadith is intended for the father (أنت ومالك لأبيك) and it is invalid to analogically deduce (qiyas) the father to anyone else for a father has the authority on his child and the property of the child when the child is young.” See al-Mughni (5/397).
Some scholars hold the opinion that the mother is included as the meaning of the hadith. They support their opinion with the words of the companion of the Prophet PBUH, Abdullah bin Jabir RA:
يَأْخُذُ الْأَبُ وَالْأُمُّ مِنْ مَالِ وَلَدِهِمَا بِغَيْرِ إذْنِهِ ، وَلَا يَأْخُذُ الِابْنُ وَالِابْنَةُ مِنْ مَالِ أَبَوَيْهِمَا بِغَيْرِ إذْنِهِمَا
“Father and mother are permissible to take the property of their child without the need of asking permission from the child, and it is impermissible for a son or daughter to take the property of their parents without the permission of their parents.” See al-Muhalla (6/385)
They also argued using the narration from Atho’ bin Abi Rabah and al-Zuhri who ruled it permissible for the mother to take the property of her child the same as for the father. See al-Mudawwanah (2/264)
Conclusion
In our opinion, the majority of the scholars’ state, it is impermissible for a father to take the property of his children as he pleases and it is only permissible in dire situations for this is the accurate way in terms of the objective of syara’. This ruling is also applicable to the mother of the child. Regarding the hadith (أَنْتَ وَمَالُكَ لأَبِيكَ), the scholars answered it with two answers:
The letter lam in the word (لأَبِيكَ) does not mean complete ownership, but the permissibility to use it.
Ibn al-Qayyim al-Jauziah Rahimahullah said: “The letter lam in the hadith (أَنْتَ وَمَالُكَ لأَبِيكَ) does not mean absolute ownership, whoever said that it refers to the permissibility to use it, then this is the accurate meaning of the hadith. If not, then the wisdom and meaning of the hadith will not be accomplished.” See I’lam al-Muwaqi’in ‘an Rabb al-‘Alamin (1/116)
If a child dies, his property will be inherited by his wife, children and other family members, not solely his father. If his property is owned by the father completely, then his other heirs do not have the right to inherit his property.
Imam al-Syafie Rahimahullah said: “Indeed, when Allah SWT obligates the father to inherit the property of his child, He made the father similar to the child’s other heirs and there is even a possibility that the father will receive a smaller portion than the other heirs. This proves the child is the one who has complete ownership of his property and not others.” See ar-Risalah (pg. 468)
To conclude, it is impermissible for the parents to use the money of their children as they wish except when there is a necessity for it. If the parents have used the property of their needs for necessity, then it is obligatory for them to repay the money.
May Allah SWT give us goodness and the correct understanding in his commandments and subsequently grant us the strength to practice it. Amiin. |
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TomyamPuteh replied at 27-1-2023 06:41 PM
Acik2 liberal dlm ni mmg didik anak2 masing2 berkira dgn ibu bapa sendiri ke?
https://muftiwp.gov.my/en/artikel/al-kafi-li-al-fatawi/3231-al-kafi-1171-the-ruling-of-parents-using-the-money-of-their-children
To conclude, it is impermissible for the parents to use the money of their children as they wish except when there is a necessity for it. If the parents have used the property of their needs for necessity, then it is obligatory for them to repay the money.
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monreyes replied at 27-1-2023 10:41 PM
RM4K sampai abes semester...mana cukup...kena ambik PTPTN/MARA/JPA nak tampung blanja sampai grad. ...
Kaka pun bercadang nak pow duit blajaq anak ka?
Utk budak ni, iols rasa baik dia benti blajaq jahh, teruih bekerja.. tampung je la mak tu sampai akhir hayat.. dah nasib dia dilahirkan dlm keluarga sebegitu. |
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Ni kalau mak aku hidup lg ni,dia mesti nasihat budak ni ko tak payah kasi,kasi je alasan dah habis bayar yuran kolej. Bukan mak die tau pun.
Btw family aku pun B40. Tapi kitorg ni B40 yg tak dpt bantuan apa2 sbb abah aku bendahari parti hijau,tmpt aku tu kubu kuat bendera biru. Dulu2 nk dpt bantuan ni kene ada sign ketua kg. Tp weols redha jelah tp tu lah mak aku byk gak ajar aku kene jadi kedekut,ada duit simpan,takde duit buat cara takde duit. Tapi tulah B40 skrang ni mmg ketara btul pemalasnye |
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akies replied at 27-1-2023 10:31 AM
Hurmmm...taktau la nak cakap apa dah..
Kenapa dik ko tak buat urusan permohonan baitumal tu sendiri? ...
Meols rs camni. Permohonan ni die nak kene ada ic parents,surat beranak parents. Mungkin tu yg dimaksudkan mak dia gigih potostat itu ini tu dokumen yg mak die pegang la.Tapi mak die plak fefeeling entitled tu pun duit dia |
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TomyamPuteh replied at 27-1-2023 06:41 PM
Acik2 liberal dlm ni mmg didik anak2 masing2 berkira dgn ibu bapa sendiri ke?
Aku anak B40,abah aku tak penah tny psl ptptn aku dpt berapa,arwah jugak yg gigih simpan duit buat modal belajar aku. Ni abah aku yg duduk kg spm repeat 3 kali last dpt pangkat 2 je ni.
Sebab abah aku penah ckp tanggungjawab sekolahkan anak ni tanggungjawab dia. Dia taknak nnt disoal di akhirat kenapa reti beranak tapi tak reti nak jalankan tanggungjawab dia sbg bapa. Yang penting,anak-anak dia at least dpt sijil spm pun takpe dah. Lepas aku keje pun dia tak penah mintak apa2 kt aku dan adik aku,kalau anak nak kasi die terima je. Sebab dia pun tau susah payah cari duit ni. Dia dah rasa. Dia tak penah rasa anak-anak dia lubuk duit sbb abah aku sendiri ckp kat aku,kitorg ni amanah yang Allah bagi,bukan rezeki. Rezeki yg Allah bagi tu asbabnya utk kasi makan anak2. Aku kekadang tak paham gak makbapak yg rasa anak diorg tu WAJIB kene jaga diorg konon balas budi. Kalau korg didik anak korg dgn baik anak-anak korg akan ada empati,tak payah mintak pun dia bleh fikir sendiri nk kasi |
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i xpasti pulak mak ayah dia ni kategori apa. x mention pasal ayah. tp mmg mak mintak duit. i rasa kena la bincang elok2 dgn mak. list down perkara yg dia nk gunakan rm 4000 tu apa dia. berapa pula lebihannya. nak masuk belajar ni banyak guna duit. duit ptptn/biasiswa pun bukan dpt terus that first semester sometimes. so mmg kena ada duit kat tangan untuk standby. i think rm 500-800 wajar la kalau nk bg kat mak tu. kalau dia mintak lebih mmg kena bincang elok2 n tanya jugak planning mak utk buat apa dgn duit tu. risau jugak kalau tetiba utk join mlm ka apa ka. so yes the key is discussion. |
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Anak aku yang abis praktikal..dan kerja sekejap sebelum degree..gaji pertama dia , semua dia bg aku...katanya" ibu nah ni niat dia dari dulu nk bg ibu duit gaji pertama"...
Sekarang tunggu degree dia dah x kerja..hari2 dia ambil duit aku  ... |
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Anak kedua aku pulak, masa tunggu spm....dia kerja kejap....tiap kali gaji dia akan bg aku duit....
Sekarang masuk diploma dia x mintak ptptn pun....tiap bulan dia mintak aku duit |
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Post time 27-1-2023 03:47 PM
Post time 28-1-2023 02:11 AM
