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[MERGED] Bius / Anaesthetic

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Post time 22-11-2008 09:51 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by ctredzuan at 22-11-2008 06:17 AM
as'kum semua, maaf saya tak pandai nak buat tajuk yg sesuai dengan bidang perubatan, ct ada soalan nak tanya yg tahu di sini, bahaya tak kalau kita bius banyak2 kali dalam hidup kita? yakni bius  ...


i'm not a surgeon and i'm not an anaesthethist....im just a medical doc...so i don't know in depth about anaesthesia....

but, bius ni ader macam2 jenis mengikut cara administration nyer seperti local, spinal, epidural and general.....

local untuk simple procedure guna lignocaine selalunyer, epidural pun guna lignocaine, bupivicaine (yang -caine2) or opioid
spinal pulak selalu guna pancuronium, vecuronium (yang -nium2) masuk ikut saraf tunjang
general anaesthesia skang mostly guna propofol (cecair kaler putih macam susu lembu)...ni masuk ikut IV

major operation selalu guna general cth operation abdomen....
kalau operation patah2, anaesthetist selalu guna spinal...sbb org tua yang selalu patah ni...dan orang tua mcm2 penyakit ader...guna spinal sbb nak limit systemic effect of bius...

bahaya paling utama bius ni adalah hypotension or boleh melarat ke shock....shock ni bila tekanan darah tak cukup tinggi untuk supply darah ke organ2 utama seperti otak dan buah pingang....

tapi bius ni most of them are shortlived...short duration of action or fast half-life...maksudnyer effect dia tak lama....so don't worry, abih jer operation bius tu cepat hilang dari sistem darah kita....

yang lagi satu bahaya adalah anaphylactic reaction or reaction to bius.....yang -nium2 kat atas tu mmg ader habit menyebabkan hyperthermia.... bila ni berlaku pakar bius akan reverse ubat tu dgn ubat lain dan jugak treat reaction tu dgn adrenaline dan macam2 lagi...

setahu saya, bius2 ni takder strong evidence yang ia boleh menyebabkan kesan jangka panjang....paling panjang pun kesan dia adalah 4 hari selepas operation...but this is rare....kalau kat ward orang panggil Day 4
sbb tu kat ward surgery...doktor selalu review patient Day 1 post-op dengan Day-4 post op....kalau day 4 post-op tu patient ok stable....kira patient is medically fit la for discharge....

there is a term called post-operative cognitive dysfunction....selalu orang kaitkan sebagai long term side effect of bius.....teori nyer bius menyebabakan deterioration in cognitive function of the brain (patient makin lama makin senang lupa, sukar berfikir...patient yang ader history of stroke, dementia family yang ader dementia selalunyer susceptible)...but sampai sekarang no strong evidence....

[ Last edited by  Arissa_Sofea at 22-11-2008 10:01 AM ]

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Post time 23-11-2008 03:23 AM | Show all posts

Reply #2 mbhcsf's post

bius tu maksud ct utk operation yg kita kena pengsan semua tu, ct pernah operation darjah 4 utk ketumbuhan dalam ovari sekali, pastu form 5 - tonsililitis, dan beberapa kali utk accident, humerus fracture 3 kali, exploration fo shoulder masukkan skru sekali, d&C sekali semua sekali dalam hidup dah 13 kali

12 kali bius penuh, pengsan semer, sekali jer bius separuh dr pinggang ke kaki
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Post time 23-11-2008 03:25 AM | Show all posts

Reply #3 amazed's post

ha;a betul tu, bius penuh bayar mahal sikit, masa D&C haritu baru tahu sbb masa tu bayar sendiri, sbelum ni mak abah tanggung, kalau bius penuh RM900 utk kos bius shj
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Post time 23-11-2008 03:27 AM | Show all posts

Reply #4 Arissa_Sofea's post

ct nya bius tu 12 kali bius penuh, pengsan 100%, sekali separuh sbb masa tu demam, tp perlukan operate urgent, sbb dah set tarikh bilik bedah. tp tempoh bedah ni bukan sekaligus, since ct darjah 4 sampai awal tahun ni utk D&C

ct tanya ni nya, ingat nak buat liposuction, kan lipo kena bius penuh, even nak buat kat kaki pun derang kena bisu penuh ker? tak boleh bius separuh ek?
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Post time 23-11-2008 11:29 AM | Show all posts
liposuction???????????????????????????????????????????





well u see ..i am worried about potential micro bleeding, smalll capillaries
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Post time 23-11-2008 12:56 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by mbhcsf at 23-11-2008 11:29
liposuction???????????????????????????????????????????





well u see ..i am worried about potential micro bleeding, smalll capillaries
...not to worry dear...risk of bleeding memang ada...but very rare lerrr...
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Post time 23-11-2008 01:02 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by ctredzuan at 23-11-2008 03:23
bius tu maksud ct utk operation yg kita kena pengsan semua tu, ct pernah operation darjah 4 utk ketumbuhan dalam ovari sekali, pastu form 5 - tonsililitis, dan beberapa kali utk accident, humerus ...

...ive had general anaesthesia for 4x...2 epidurals...and just recently...a spinal...alhamdulillah...semuanya ok2 saja...
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Post time 23-11-2008 01:16 PM | Show all posts

Reply #10 blackmore's post

u having a new baby?err is it?
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Post time 23-11-2008 01:16 PM | Show all posts

Reply #9 blackmore's post

oh.. ok then legaaa
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Post time 23-11-2008 01:36 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by mbhcsf at 23-11-2008 13:16
u having a new baby?err is it?


...u make me laugh lah dear...hehehehe...bless u...
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Post time 23-11-2008 04:21 PM | Show all posts

Reply #13 blackmore's post

i just thought you know.....
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Post time 3-12-2008 05:58 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by mbhcsf at 23-11-2008 11:29 AM
liposuction???????????????????????????????????????????





well u see ..i am worried about potential micro bleeding, smalll capillaries


aa...potential micro bleeding ker, pernah terjadi ke?
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Post time 3-12-2008 05:59 AM | Show all posts
kiranya bius penuh banyak kali ni takde masalah lah ek, huhu.. ct takot jadi mental ke apa ker..
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Post time 3-12-2008 09:32 AM | Show all posts
me sekali masa operate bersalin...bius kat tulang belakang tak tau nama apa....efect tuh terasa lenguh2 kaw. pinggang jer la...pas setahun tuh tak rasa apa dah...tapi pasal hypertension me  smpai skrg ada darah tinggi since ngandung...skrg dr bagi ubat antenolol 50mg...so para2 dr. can u explain sbb me ada darah tinggi sbb keturunan ker sbb bius ker sbb masa ngandung ker?
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Post time 3-12-2008 09:27 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by moimed at 3-12-2008 09:32 AM
me sekali masa operate bersalin...bius kat tulang belakang tak tau nama apa....efect tuh terasa lenguh2 kaw. pinggang jer la...pas setahun tuh tak rasa apa dah...tapi pasal hypertension me  smpai ...


tu spinal yang awak dapat tu...
psl hypertension tu unlikely sbb bius or sbb mengandung...
kalau pregnancy induced....patutnyer dah lama surut.....bius pulak sbb hypotension bukan hypertension..

saya rasa awak ader essential hypertension .....sbb nyer multifactorial....sbb keturunan boleh, sbb diet pun boleh,....mcm2 sbb
doktor bg awak atenolol jer?....dier tk bg awak diuretic ker? mcm thiazide?
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Post time 3-12-2008 11:18 PM | Show all posts
yg bius kat tulang belakang tu spinal kann?? pernah sekali kena bius separuh masa dnc 1st baby. Tapi yg masalahnya doktor bius tu takkk pandaiiiiiiiii...2 kali kaki saya naik ke atas macam kena renjatan elektrik, sebab ubat tak masuk kat tempat yg sepatutnyaaaa...sakitnyaaaaaaa..........2 kali saya marah doktor tu..kali ke 3 doktor decide biur penuh terus, kasi ubat tidur....tapi kesannya lepas dnc tu ya Allaahhh, saya mengalami sakit kat tulang belakang, sakit yg amaat, jalan terbongkok2, nak gerakkan badan semua tak kena, 2 kali jugak saya p ambik injection untuk kurangkan sakit tu...lepas 4 bulan baru ok... serik mengenangkan...

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Post time 4-12-2008 09:45 AM | Show all posts
me rasa darah tinggi yg me alami mmg dari keturunan sbb my mom pon ada darah tinggi...yup buat masa skrg nih dr kasi ubat antenolol 50mg jer, ubat yg awk sebut tuh dr tak kasi pon..so, me cuba kurangkan penggunaan garam, gula dlm makanan. me minum acticol mlm n pagi utk kurangkan kolestrol. me makan ulam pegaga n peria katak utk kurangkan tekanan darah. so far berhasil sbb bacaan semakain turun...sblm nih 140/90 then 137/74 and semalam cek kat dr 130/70...ubat still maintain makan tak pernah miss...me muda lagi masih ada keinginan nak ngandung lagi, tapi kena tunggu darah ok baru berani...so apa nasihat awk sbg org yg tahu selok belok pasal kedoktoran nih...?really appreciate
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Post time 4-12-2008 09:51 AM | Show all posts
one more thing apa maksud essential hypertension? boleh terangkan tak?
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Post time 22-2-2009 02:40 PM | Show all posts

kesan GA- general anaesthetic

Saya dalam waiting list untuk cabut wisdom tooth, tapi saya minta operation dengan GA sebab takot lagipun nak cabut 2 batang skali...
Ada orang kata GA neh akan memberi kesan sampingan...
sape taw ape kesan sampingan die? pernah ke korang alami kesan2 tuh?
ada orang kate leh gemuk ataw menambahkan berat badan, betoi ke?
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Post time 23-2-2009 11:45 AM | Show all posts
adehh takde sape ke leh bagi idea neh?
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