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Kelas Bahasa Jepun (Nihongo)

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Post time 22-2-2008 05:10 PM | Show all posts

Reply #860 aeveuu's post

ha ah kan.. cam kapel plaks. errr.. kapel ke? ke dulu kapel sekarang dah clash??   
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Post time 23-2-2008 12:13 AM | Show all posts
やめてよ二人とも!子供喧嘩見たいんだ!macam bagus sangat jer dua2...

Originally posted by purplehyppo at 22-2-2008 10:24 AM
cam xcaye ko blaja sendri..baper tahun da study nihongo??



aku memang blaja sendiri... sejak form 2. Waktu tu blaja sebab nak baca sound efek dlm manga jer. Pastu blaja lagi skit sebab nak tekel sorang dak pompuan ni (tapi gagal). Sebab aku blaja sendiri pakai internet jer, jadi progress sgt2 la slow. Lagipun takder org nak practice pun. Sampai la skrg ni umo aku dah 19 thn. 2 bulan lepas aku terjumpa buku teks nihongo kat library. Aku pinjamla. Jd kalau nak ckp betul, aku cuma blaja secara intensif selama lebih kurang 2 bln jer. Hehe...


terima kasih purplehyppo-san.. sbnrnya aku banyak lagi soalan nak tanya.. cthnya,

Camner nak cakap

"Thanks for your explanation"
"Thanks for your help"
"Thanks for the money that you gave me the other day"

uh... "gosetsumei wa arigatou"? "kansha #eimasu"? -_-" mago mago desu yo... "ano hi no okane ni agema#a no koto wa arigatou"? macam salah giler jer...


Pasal "I haven't read that" tu... aku ingat mesti ader perkataan 'mada' cm yg puteri kasi contoh tu... Cuma aku tak pasti form aper verbnya.

Cthnya,
"I haven't read that manga."

"Sono manga wo mada yonde imasen"?
"Sono manga wo mada yomimasen"?
"Sono manga wo mada yomimasu"??

Penin, penin...

lagipun aku konpius aper bezanya form -te inai ngan base negative form satu verb. Cthnya "yomimasen" ngan "yonde imasen"...

[ Last edited by  meitantei at 23-2-2008 12:23 AM ]
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Post time 23-2-2008 01:14 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by meitantei at 23-2-2008 12:13 AM
"Sono manga wo mada yonde imasen"?
"Sono manga wo mada yomimasen"?
"Sono manga wo mada yomimasu"??


aku tolong part ni eks..aku rs la kan 3 ayat dia atas tu sume betul cuma membawa maksud yg berbeza...
kalu ko nk ckap ko belum baca, 普通 kite akan ckp sono manga wa mada yonde inai. ..lebey tepat kot..sbb dlm satu ayat tu kene ade die pny benda yg kita nk tekankn.mada yonde inai tu mcm ko nk ckp korekara yomimasu kat ayat sambngn die..kira nya ko belom baca tp akan baca. aku search balik, mada yomimasen pn bleh gune tp bg aku mada yonde inai lebey natural kot..aku selalu guna tte inai.

kalu mada yomimasu tu bkn maksud die belom, die membawa maksud masih...klau mada yonde imasu tu maksud die mcm xabih baca lg..still baca lg..

kot..... aku pn confuse gak..

[ Last edited by  puteri33cahaya at 23-2-2008 01:18 AM ]
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Post time 23-2-2008 05:44 AM | Show all posts

Reply #863 puteri33cahaya's post

pergh!!puteri dah tunjung belang..abeh laaaaa..
sasuga puteri nih!!( )

p/s: bkn kat explanation puteri ek..-->puteri33cahaya.bajet puteri


[ Last edited by  purplehyppo at 23-2-2008 09:49 AM ]
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Post time 23-2-2008 07:46 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by purplehyppo at 23-2-2008 06:44 AM
pergh!!puteri dah tunjung belang..abeh laaaaa..
sasuga puteri nih!!( )


aku ketuk kang budak2 due ekor nih!!  :@  :@

tapi kan.. kalu nak gaduh2 gediks kat sini.. sila letak translation nihongo sekali ya. boleh kitorang belajar cara2 nak gaduh lam nihongo
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Post time 23-2-2008 08:18 AM | Show all posts

Reply #862 meitantei's post

aku vote

"sono manga wa mada yonde inai"
saya belum baca manga itu

atau kalau nak formal2 sikit kita boleh kata
"sona manga wa yonda koto ga arimasen"

so....

Sono manga ga yonda koto aru?  (Have you read that manga?)
Iie, mada yonde inai (No, I haven't read it)

nihon ni itta koto ga aru? (have you ever been to japan?)
Iie, itta koto ga nai . (No, I haven't been to Japan)

apa beza dua2 tu? lebih kurang aje cuma "ta koto ga" guna cam untuk life experience, pengalaman.. dah pernah makan makanan jepun?, dah panjat gunung fuji? dah pernah pergi mekah?

kalau "te iru" tu cam perkara2 biasa untuk benda2 immediate. dah makan? dah mandi? dah tengok tv?

rasa2nya lah.. hehehe
ek.. pepelhippo sensei, puteri sensei. tunjuk ajarku sifu!
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Post time 24-2-2008 04:22 PM | Show all posts
arigatoo pepel-san...

ala shin banyak lagi takreti...polite form giler la kan....tu pun masih tunggang langgang... masih sangat memerlukan sensei2 kat sini....plain form or cara ckp ngan kengkawan pun rasanya tatau lagi bile dpt blaja ckp camtuh... skang ni masih nak biasakan polite form dulu...very the formal...haha
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Post time 24-2-2008 11:04 PM | Show all posts
Oh, sannin sensei! haha~ chou sugoi!

Arigatou for the explanation... tapi soalan aku yg lagi satu tu blum dijawab.

Shin-san, polite form kadang2 bunyinya pelik, kan? Ader skali aku tgk youtube pasal sorang gaijin ni beli barang kat KONBI... dia kata kat pekedai tu yg maksudnya "Would it be rude if I don't buy this?". Haha~

Btw, butsuri - Physics.
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Post time 25-2-2008 08:50 AM | Show all posts
lagipun aku konpius aper bezanya form -te inai ngan base negative form satu verb. Cthnya "yomimasen" ngan "yonde imasen"...-meitantei..

gomen xpasan..


mengikut pengalaman aku..
kalo org ty..
yomima$hita?
kite jwb..
..(mada) yonde imasen..means kite belom/tak bace lagi..berminat atau tak berminat..atleast kite menunjukkan minat towards the conversation..
..yomimasen..means kite xbace..and kite xberminat pon dgn buku(manga etc) yg tgh diceritakan tu..err..senang citer mmg kite TAKNAK bace..
tp AWAS..certain nihonjin would think kite xtere nihongo and still assume kite berminat ngn buku yg sedang diperceritakan..

tu je kot yg ku tau..


tgk puteri884356287159083475cahaya-lilin jawab ape..
die ni lg pandai nih!tu aku jeles tuh:@

or mayb shin atau lin boleh terangkan..pasal -te form tuh..
-teiru, -teinai, etc..
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Post time 25-2-2008 08:56 AM | Show all posts

Reply #868 meitantei's post

haha..gaijin2 especially mat saleh ni mmg suke usik nihonjin yg skema2..
ade yg dorang bunyikan loceng beskal kat tmpt org ramai lalu lalang then automatic nihonjin sume mengelak..sbb mmg kat nihon ni kalo dgr bunyi loceng tu..maknenye beskal nk lalu..tgk2 si gaijin ni dok usik2 nihonjin bunyikan loceng tu


btw meitantei..
convenience store..konbini..
combination...konbi(ryaku-go..ringkasan)
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Post time 25-2-2008 11:42 AM | Show all posts

Reply #870 purplehyppo's post

oh, right... tertinggal 'ni' plak...
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Post time 25-2-2008 11:45 AM | Show all posts

Reply #830 purplehyppo's post

kiso-denshi-debaisu fukushuu $hitanokai?
dah study basic-electronic-device da?


haaa pepel....shin baru tingat nak tanye satu soklan... shin salu dengar kat anime derang ada ckp ada ~~kai/dai kat ujong tu.. cam ape yang pepel nyer ayat kat atas...$hitanokai....
yang shin penah dengar cani gak : nan no kai? nandai?
yang tu form ape laks? ke tu cam slang?
bunyik cam best jer..
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Post time 25-2-2008 12:02 PM | Show all posts

Reply #872 sh|nobu's post

ermm..ni kire cam slang jugak la..
dulu mase mudamudi dulu ade sorang member nihonjin ni die ajar..
die kt 'ka yo' = 'kai'..same goes to 'da yo' kpd 'dai'..
tp bile aku refer kat sensei..sensei kt bukan camtu..tu cume slang semate2..tp personally aku lg percaye member aku tue

ermm..selame perhatian aku..girls jarang pakai these words kecuali against org yg perasan puteri
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Post time 25-2-2008 12:31 PM | Show all posts

Reply #873 purplehyppo's post

oh...tula shin dengar dalam anime tu laki la yang cakap....cam comel je sebut nandai? ehehehe
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Post time 25-2-2008 02:36 PM | Show all posts
erm.. buku yg aku guna tu kata 'kai' tu slang utk 'ka'.

Cth;

"Kau kai?"
wanna buy?

"Genki kai?"
how 'ya?
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Post time 25-2-2008 03:39 PM | Show all posts

Reply #875 meitantei's post

yup..same cam sensei aku ckp..
'ka' ---> 'kai'..
'da' ---> 'dai'..

compare to explanation member aku tu..maksud die mmg same..slang..cume care explanation jek yg lain..

yg member aku terangkan tu..nagare(flow?) camne terjadinye 'kai' tue..cam kat bwh ni..
konya no party iku no ka?
konya no party iku no ka yo?
konya no party iku no kai?
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Post time 25-2-2008 04:00 PM | Show all posts
aikk??mane post aku??ilang?
aiyaakk..server Cari da bengong cam dulu ker?
atau aku mamai terlupe tekan submit
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Post time 25-2-2008 06:14 PM | Show all posts
Hmm... aku ader masalah ngan passive form sesuatu verb tu... cthnya suru ---> saseru. Macam mana nak ubah aku reti la, tapi penggunaanya aku kurang faham. Biler masa nak guna form saseru tu? Passive ngan active dlm nihongo ngan BI/BM sama ke?

Aku pernah baca yg verb 'saseru' ni maknanya lebih kurang 'make somebody do'... Tapi aku masih tak faham sgt. Bleh bagi beberapa contoh?
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Post time 25-2-2008 11:14 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by meitantei at 25-2-2008 06:14 PM
Hmm... aku ader masalah ngan passive form sesuatu verb tu... cthnya suru ---> saseru. Macam mana nak ubah aku reti la, tapi penggunaanya aku kurang faham. Biler masa nak guna form saseru tu? Passive ngan active dlm nihongo ngan BI/BM sama ke?

Aku pernah baca yg verb 'saseru' ni maknanya lebih kurang 'make somebody do'... Tapi aku masih tak faham sgt. Bleh bagi beberapa contoh?



betulla tu..tp die ada byk penggunaan n maksudnye kekadg bleh bertukar.kalu tambah kudasai kat belakang die maksud die jd lain sket

contoh:
1)お母さんは子供に人参を食べさせました。
okasan wa kodomoni ninjin wo tabesasema#a.
mak srh anak die makan carrot.

2)先生は学生を立たせました。
sensei wa gakusei wo tatasema#a
sensei srh anak murid dier diri.(kene dende)

3)具合が悪いので、早く帰らせてくださいませんか?
guai ga warui node, hayaku kaerasete kudasaimasenka?
saya xsedap badan, bleh tak bg saya balik awal?
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Post time 25-2-2008 11:32 PM | Show all posts

Reply #879 puteri33cahaya's post

wow ni belum blaja lagi..takpe2...simpan notes dulu...hehehe....

tenkiu guys pasal yang dai/kai tu....dah pahams dah...

btw nak tanye...caner nak cakap : who do u think? atau siapa ko pikir?
kire cam tengah dengar lagu kan, pastu kawan tanye kite, sape penyanyi ni ek?
pastu kite tanye kawan kite balik, sapa ko pikir?...(tapi taknak ayat panjang la, setakat, ko pikir sape?)

dareka do omou?
dare do omou?

konfius skit...
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